McCain or Obama

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AWDstylez wrote:

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Obama has stated that he doesn't think anyone should be allowed to own a gun. (The only way to enforce this is confiscation).

McCain proposed a bill that would effectively shut down all gun shows.

So, to reword the question, would you prefer a president that wants to take away all your gun rights, or one that only wants to take away some of them?

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...but McCain is all about the NAU...

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ok. see, this is, yet another, instance i have heard this NAU, Amero thing. This is what is making me post thread like this: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum52/14602.html

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I have a solution to this problem of Obama vs. McCain...


Vote Libertarian.

Become active in the Libertarian Party.

Encourage others to think Libertarian.

For your linky pleasure, may I present: http://www.lp.org/platform

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Nah, I'm all set. I think Ron Paul should have run on the Libertarian ticket. He's the only person I would have wasted time and gas going to the polls for.

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Being a libertarian myself i hate not voting for the libertarian ticket as i have done previously. But with 2 of the most liberal judges on the Supreme court pushing 80+ i have to ask myself, who will hurt us less? The answer is McCain. We may not get the gun toting absolutist freedom loving justices that we may want on the Court...but we wont get gun grabbing socialists that Obama will put there.

If you want to vote libertarian do it on the local level and build the party. To vote for the Republican running on the Libertarian ticket is truly a wasted vote. Back libertarian mayors, and council members, and congressmen who can win instead of cutting your nose to spite your face on the presidential elections. If obama wins we all lose...if mccain wins we will at least hold fast until the storm passes until we get a true champion of the 2A...like Jindal...the next VP of the United States.

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33itmefs wrote:

Who do you think is more gun friendly, Obama or McCain?

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You really needed to ask that question? It's like asking "who was more of a human rights champion, Adolf Hitler or Franklin Roosevelt?"

I'm not overly enthused about McCain but he's definately better on the second ammendment than Hussein is. Hussein never saw a gun control law that he didnt like.

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All one has to do is look at the states each one comes from. AZ is one of the most friendly to gun owners. Il is NOT.

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ScottyT wrote:

McCain is not a gun owners friend and I am super pissed that I will have to vote for him, but Obama is a thousand times worse.

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You're absolutely right. One of the biggest problems I have with McCain is that he is not pro-gun enough for my tastes. He is, but not like a John Ashworth, or Kay Hutchinson, to mention a couple of current and former senators. However, he is pro-gun and compared to Obooba--well, there is no comparison. He may be the most antigun person in congress when you look at his record both in the IL Senate and the short time he's been in the US Senate. There really is no choice on this issue.

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AWDstylez wrote:

colormered wrote:

Obama has stated that he doesn't think anyone should be allowed to own a gun. (The only way to enforce this is confiscation).

McCain proposed a bill that would effectively shut down all gun shows.

So, to reword the question, would you prefer a president that wants to take away all your gun rights, or one that only wants to take away some of them?

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Yea because this is definitely a one issue election. :quirky

Of course McCain is less anti-gun that Obama, but it's relative. It makes about as much sense as saying Christina Aguilara is less of a whore than Britney Spears. Obama may be openly anti-2A, but McCain is all about the NAU and that'll be the end to your entire constitution, never mind your gun rights. It's not a choice between really awful and mediocare, it's a choice between horrific and horrible.

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Don't be ridiculous man, everyone knows that Britney is a bigger whore!

On topic though, yeah we're screwed either way. We can only hope that McLame will appoint better Justices than Obamamama would...

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Gunslinger wrote:

You're absolutely right. One of the biggest problems I have with McCain is that he is not pro-gun enough for my tastes. He is, but not like a John Ashworth, or Kay Hutchinson, to mention a couple of current and former senators. However, he is pro-gun and compared to Obooba--well, there is no comparison. He may be the most antigun person in congress when you look at his record both in the IL Senate and the short time he's been in the US Senate. There really is no choice on this issue.

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I love my state! Wooooo.

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AWDstylez wrote:

It's not a choice between really awful and mediocare, it's a choice between horrific and horrible.

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That may possibly be the first thing you have said on the forum with which I agree. There are a lot of democrats who could be running again John McCain for whom I would consider voting as thinking about voting for McCain requires a lot of nose holding and throwing up in my mouth a little. On the other hand, I cannot imagine any circumstance under which I could bring myself to vote for Obama as I think he presents a destructive danger to America unequaled by any potential president in our history. Horrific and horrible indeed.

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deepdiver wrote:

AWDstylez wrote:

It's not a choice between really awful and mediocare, it's a choice between horrific and horrible.

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That may possibly be the first thing you have said on the forum with which I agree. There are a lot of democrats who could be running again John McCain for whom I would consider voting as thinking about voting for McCain requires a lot of nose holding and throwing up in my mouth a little. On the other hand, I cannot imagine any circumstance under which I could bring myself to vote for Obama as I think he presents a destructive danger to America unequaled by any potential president in our history. Horrific and horrible indeed.

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Where have you been for the last eight years? :lol:

I'll agree he's bottom of the barrel, but any mere mortal would be hard-pressed to beat out G. Dubya for destruction factor.

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AWDstylez wrote:

deepdiver wrote:

AWDstylez wrote:

It's not a choice between really awful and mediocare, it's a choice between horrific and horrible.

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That may possibly be the first thing you have said on the forum with which I agree. There are a lot of democrats who could be running again John McCain for whom I would consider voting as thinking about voting for McCain requires a lot of nose holding and throwing up in my mouth a little. On the other hand, I cannot imagine any circumstance under which I could bring myself to vote for Obama as I think he presents a destructive danger to America unequaled by any potential president in our history. Horrific and horrible indeed.

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Where have you been for the last eight years? :lol:

I'll agree he's bottom of the barrel, but any mere mortal would be hard-pressed to beat out G. Dubya for destruction factor.

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maybe in a socialists perspective

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AWDstylez wrote:

Where have you been for the last eight years? :lol:
I'll agree he's bottom of the barrel, but any mere mortal would be hard-pressed to beat out G. Dubya for destruction factor.

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When Obama is finished with his first term, we will look upon the years of the Bush administration with longing as a time of prosperity and peace.

I wish I was kidding.

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like_the_roman wrote:

When Obama is finished with his first term, we will look upon the years of the Bush administration with longing as a time of prosperity and peace.

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Obama or McCain either one will run thi country nto the ground. it's strange being in my position. as a union worker, I hear "vote Obama, he's better than McCain" being a gun enthusiast, I hear "vote McCain, he's better than Obama. on noth sides I hear " a third party vote is othig more than a vote for ( pick the candidate you hate worse). while I sit here and listen, it's amazing how both sides are abslutely right, and yet seem to absolutely not get it. Obama is anti gun, so vote for McCain. McCain is against the minimum wage, workers rights, etc. both are globalists, both are elitists, and both are liberals. both will open the borders, devastate what little bit is left of our economy and both will use the constitution for toilet paper.

you say that McCain won't further erode our second ammendment rights? bull. McCain is one of the most flippant politicians around. he'll tell you today that he's for gun rghts, and then once you elect him, he'll agree to all sorts of nasty brady crap.

Quite frankly, neither candidate has earned my trust, nor will they ever. while I don't necessarily agree with teh libertarian candidate, he is a vast improvement over the 2 major parties we have now.

honestly, I believe that this is destined to be one of the last major election cycles for the republican party. I believe that within 10 to 12 years, that party will be a memory, and I am just curious to see what develops out of the ashes.

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unreconstructed1 wrote:

SNIP I am just curious to see what develops out of the ashes.

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His name was Octavian, but he changed it to Augustus?

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Obama is definitely more anti-gun than McCain, but either way it doesn't matter. You would need to change the constitution to ban guns. That requires a 2/3 majority of states to ratify the constitution. Don't vote based solely on guns. Look at all the issues. I can't bring myself to vote for bushes third term. This helped me make my decision. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_CandidateTaxPlans.pdf

Look at the graphs on the last few pages.

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stanicus wrote:

Obama is definitely more anti-gun than McCain, but either way it doesn't matter. You would need to change the constitution to ban guns. That requires a 2/3 majority of states to ratify the constitution.

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The Constitution is no threat to our current form of government.

Just because they can not ban guns outright doesn't mean they won't try their damnedest to regulate, license, or tax them out of our hands.

Don't vote based solely on guns. Look at all the issues.

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This is a firearms forum, is it not? That should tell you that firearms are important to us.

Besides, with Obama's constant "shift in emphasis" on FISA, NAFTA, campaign finance, guns, Iraq welfare reform, merit pay for teachers, social security taxes, gay marriage, Israel, and abortion - how the hell are we to know where he stands? Do we believe in the ultra-left radical Obama of the Illinois state legislature or the "moderate, bipartisan" Obama of 20 minutes ago?

I can't bring myself to vote for bushes third term. This helped me make my decision. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_CandidateTaxPlans.pdf

Look at the graphs on the last few pages.

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The Tax Policy Center (TPC), is a supposedly "nonpartisan" joint project of the Brookings Institution (full of former Clinton appointees) and the Urban Institute (holdovers from LBJ's Great Society.)

I'm sure that data is completely trustworthy.

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stanicus wrote:

Obama is definitely more anti-gun than McCain, but either way it doesn't matter. You would need to change the constitution to ban guns. That requires a 2/3 majority of states to ratify the constitution. Don't vote based solely on guns. Look at all the issues. I can't bring myself to vote for bushes third term. This helped me make my decision. http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_CandidateTaxPlans.pdf

Look at the graphs on the last few pages.

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Chicago has done a pretty good job of banning guns without doing a thing to the second amendment. California as well.

There is a heck of a lot we could lose here.

I think one of the posters above is correct though. I think the Republican party is on it's last legs. Something conservative to fill it's place though, there are just too many conservatives still here to just give up. Personally, I'd love it if it were the Libertarians, but I'm not holding my breath.

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like_the_roman wrote:

Besides, with Obama's constant "shift in emphasis" on FISA, NAFTA, campaign finance, guns, Iraq welfare reform, merit pay for teachers, social security taxes, gay marriage, Israel, and abortion - how the hell are we to know where he stands? Do we believe in the ultra-left radical Obama of the Illinois state legislature or the "moderate, bipartisan" Obama of 20 minutes ago?

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Hey, you know who that sounds a lot like? Oh yeah, McCain!

I personally will not support any vacillating, opportunistic, selfish, freedom-hating socialist. I agree with deepdiver's post above. Horrible vs. horrific.

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like_the_roman wrote:

Don't vote based solely on guns. Look at all the issues.

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This is a firearms forum, is it not? That should tell you that firearms are important to us.

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I am well aware that guns are important to everyone here. They are important to me as well. I am just saying that we should look at all the issues and research them. Don't base our decisions on emails forwarded to us by our grandmother. A lot of people have made up their minds about who they will vote for already. I am still waiting to see who the vice president nominees will be and who is running as an independent. My point is that McCain's tax policy is pretty crappy.