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    Had a Men's Breakfast at my church this morning. 10 guys showed up and about half of them were new faces to me. I'll paraphrase what was said. Someone pointed at my gun and asked if I was a LEO or just security for him (pointing to the guy seated next to me). I replied "No, just a good American. I carry more just to educate and show people that good guys have guns too." Then later another said "I noticed you have a sidearm? Are you a cop?" My reply to him was "No, I am part of a growing movement called Open Carry. I carry this way just about everywhere I go." By this time the whole group was joining the conversation. I had a chance to explain the basics on where it was legal to carry and mentioned opencarry.org. They seemed interested and surprised that it was legal and that I didn't get harrassed everywhere I go. So I had the privilage to give 10 guys a little introduction to OC . I CC on Sundays because I don't want to be a distraction to the message but have OC'd at church for other events. This was by far the most succesful OC I have ever done. I feel good!:celebrate

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    Outstanding!

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    Very nice to hear

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    Great job! It's too bad you didn't have a bunch of OC pamphlets to hand out.

    Hopefully some of them will join up here and say hello.
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    Too bad we can't carry at church in MO without a permission slip from the minister.

    Good job, Sailor!
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    deepdiver wrote:
    Too bad we can't carry at church in MO without a permission slip from the minister.

    Good job, Sailor!
    Why wouldn't the minister give you permission? Does he think you are bad Christian or an evil person?

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    Thank you all for the support. I was so happy with the way things went this morning I couldn't wait to share it with the group.

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    That is great! I feel that many church-goers believe that having a gun is dangerous and evil. I agree with you and I applaud you good sir!

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    Praise God . . .and pass the ammunition!

    Nicely done

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    I may have to try this. Sadly most people (and practitioners) believe Buddhists should be pacifists. I see this as an extreme position and not at all anywhere near the "middle way". I didn't have near the opposition when I was a practicing Pagan. Most of those guys were ex-military. It's always makes my heart glad when people at least accept education with an open mind. Good job!
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    K_Bjornstad wrote:
    That is great! I feel that many church-goers believe that having a gun is dangerous and evil. I agree with you and I applaud you good sir!
    Funny, I have noticed exactly the opposite, Seems almost everyguy I know who regularly attends church is either a gun owner or staunchly supports gun rights.

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    Many members in the church I used to attend discouraged firearms because of their dangerous nature. The only two people in my church, besides myself, that encouraged firearms were my dad and a WSP Trooper. I spoke with my pastor about firearms and he said that he did not like guns and did not want his kids around them because of their "destructive nature." I did not agree and I told him that but I held my tongue sadly.

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    K_Bjornstad wrote:
    Many members in the church I used to attend discouraged firearms because of their dangerous nature. The only two people in my church, besides myself, that encouraged firearms were my dad and a WSP Trooper. I spoke with my pastor about firearms and he said that he did not like guns and did not want his kids around them because of their "destructive nature." I did not agree and I told him that but I held my tongue sadly.
    He is a sheeple and is why there are some many in the church that have the same view. Unbiased is what he suppose to be, but he isn't.

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    gsx1138 wrote:
    I may have to try this. Sadly most people (and practitioners) believe Buddhists should be pacifists. I see this as an extreme position and not at all anywhere near the "middle way". I didn't have near the opposition when I was a practicing Pagan. Most of those guys were ex-military. It's always makes my heart glad when people at least accept education with an open mind. Good job!
    No worries, you can always tell those that are misinformed about Buddhism that the Dalai Lama supports not only your right to carry, but to self defense up to and including murder:

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon
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    just_a_car wrote:
    gsx1138 wrote:
    I may have to try this. Sadly most people (and practitioners) believe Buddhists should be pacifists. I see this as an extreme position and not at all anywhere near the "middle way". I didn't have near the opposition when I was a practicing Pagan. Most of those guys were ex-military. It's always makes my heart glad when people at least accept education with an open mind. Good job!
    No worries, you can always tell those that are misinformed about Buddhism that the Dalai Lama supports not only your right to carry, but to self defense up to and including murder:

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." -- The Dalai Lama, May 15, 2001, at the "Educating Heart Summit" in Portland, Oregon
    Buddhist are realist and the Dali Lama is their realist leader.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Buddhist are realist and the Dali Lama is their realist leader.
    I used that quote one time on some hippie/greener forum in Olympia and someone said the rest of the message was that it would be okay to wound an attacker but not to kill. I haven't been able to verify that, but the person was pretty annoyed with me using it, so who knows.

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Buddhist are realist and the Dali Lama is their realist leader.
    I used that quote one time on some hippie/greener forum in Olympia and someone said the rest of the message was that it would be okay to wound an attacker but not to kill. I haven't been able to verify that, but the person was pretty annoyed with me using it, so who knows.
    Leftists are often annoyed by facts and reality that disagree with their emotional and factually erroneously based world views.
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    deepdiver wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Buddhist are realist and the Dali Lama is their realist leader.
    I used that quote one time on some hippie/greener forum in Olympia and someone said the rest of the message was that it would be okay to wound an attacker but not to kill. I haven't been able to verify that, but the person was pretty annoyed with me using it, so who knows.
    Leftists are often annoyed by facts and reality that disagree with their emotional and factually erroneously based world views.
    "There is nothing so horrible in nature as to see a beautiful theory murdered by an ugly gang of facts."

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    "There is nothing so horrible in nature as to see a beautiful theory murdered by an ugly gang of facts."


    Hadn't that one before.
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    sailor628 wrote:
    Had a Men's Breakfast at my church this morning. 10 guys showed up and about half of them were new faces to me. I'll paraphrase what was said. Someone pointed at my gun and asked if I was a LEO or just security for him (pointing to the guy seated next to me). I replied "No, just a good American. I carry more just to educate and show people that good guys have guns too." Then later another said "I noticed you have a sidearm? Are you a cop?" My reply to him was "No, I am part of a growing movement called Open Carry. I carry this way just about everywhere I go." By this time the whole group was joining the conversation. I had a chance to explain the basics on where it was legal to carry and mentioned opencarry.org. They seemed interested and surprised that it was legal and that I didn't get harrassed everywhere I go. So I had the privilage to give 10 guys a little introduction to OC . I CC on Sundays because I don't want to be a distraction to the message but have OC'd at church for other events. This was by far the most succesful OC I have ever done. I feel good!:celebrate
    Nice little sermon o' yurs, I bet. The best Gospel of 'em all:celebrate.

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    Guess it's time to weigh in on this.
    To the OP- good for you! I ought to go to the next men's breakfast & do the same.
    For all the readers:
    My pastor asked me to carry- CC, not OC- every Sunday. Seems there's word on the street of a local gang that wants to put a hit on a pastor in the valley. Which pastor is not specified. Pastor knows my past. I told him I "could" make a clean shot on a BG if he were the hostage, but I sure didn't wanna have to. Best to break free at the time I jump up.
    There are a couple more of us scattered in the congregation. We know who's carrying. They may not.
    My 5.11 tac vest in church would be a giveaway to you all, but maybe not so much to the ICP.
    I don't wanna beg trouble, but if I have to make a decision whether it's innocents or BGs, I made up my mind a long time ago.
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    Hammer wrote:
    Guess it's time to weigh in on this.
    To the OP- good for you! I ought to go to the next men's breakfast & do the same.
    For all the readers:
    My pastor asked me to carry- CC, not OC- every Sunday. Seems there's word on the street of a local gang that wants to put a hit on a pastor in the valley. Which pastor is not specified. Pastor knows my past. I told him I "could" make a clean shot on a BG if he were the hostage, but I sure didn't wanna have to. Best to break free at the time I jump up.
    There are a couple more of us scattered in the congregation. We know who's carrying. They may not.
    My 5.11 tac vest in church would be a giveaway to you all, but maybe not so much to the ICP.
    I don't wanna beg trouble, but if I have to make a decision whether it's innocents or BGs, I made up my mind a long time ago.
    The Marine motto ending "...let God sort 'em out"
    Sounds like your pastor is a pretty smart fella and puts trust in law abiding citizens. You can't complain about that.
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    I have started OC at church functions as well, but not on Sundays...
    Heh, my pastor had a computer problem and asked me to come fix it and I showed up wearing my XD. he had a few comments for me but understood the whole self defense thing.

    I think I have decided that I will need to CC whenever I am representing an entity other than myself. For example when I am playing in the worship band, I don't want to have newcomer antis shy away from our church because of an opinion they formed about me because I am OCing. If they decide to come to our church, then get to know me, I can work on their view of firearms.

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    Neddis,

    I agree with you on not wanting to scare away new comers. That's why I only OC at weekday functions at church because generally the only people who are at the worship practices and men's breakfasts are people already hooked up with the church.

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