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    I spent over 20 minutes looking for the items needed. I get to the counter and some guy in the other line starts spouting off about how open carry is illegal. I inform him otherwise but he just wants to be argumentative and I ignore him. The clerk from his line looks over and wants to see the weapon. At that point she (Krystal) points to a green print out up on a post 7 feet off the floor and says NO WEAPONS ALLOWED in the storeas per RCW 9.41.300 which covers this establishment. I inform her that if they allow minors in the store and the door is not posted with the under 21 liquor control board sign, my gun is welcome as well as this is a state run facility. The sign is a print out of RCW 9.41.300 and only quotes the no gun section. My clerk (Kelby) starts giving me the "sheeple talk." I got the "we're only following the rules speech" and realized that I am dealing with employees not management. As I needed the alcohol for the party I went out and locked it in the truck, came back and made my purchase under protest.

    I've contacted the assistant manager of the store and the district manager and am preparing to contact the Liquor Control board as well.

    http://www.liq.wa.gov/releases/contact.asp




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    I would request a public apology for the embarassment from all those employees.
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    I just read RCW 9.41.300 and the liquor store isn't covered under it. Only those areas where minors are not allow. Once again the frickin' government can't even read and understand their own damned laws. Read it yourself and point out where there is a single thing that could justify their claim.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300



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    Which store was this?

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    72nd & Pacific Ave. It just kills me that the sign they have posted is 7 feet up and posted in the middle of the store. All of the liquor is no more that 6 feet high and no where near the sign. If it was me posting the signs there would be one at the door and at each register.
    I sat in the truck for almost 10 minutes looking at the entrance to ensure nothing was posted before I went in. After I saw the guy with kids enter. I knew I was in the right.


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    Your link doesn't work.

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    deanf wrote:
    Your link doesn't work.
    Fixed: http://www.liq.wa.gov/releases/contact.asp

    email has been sent to the Liquor control Board. This is the sign, which is clearly wrong for the establishment:

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    deanf wrote:
    Your link doesn't work.
    Works fine every time I click it. Trey this and dis it out yourself.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/

    Or Google Washington State RCW.

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    I always just assumed that they had it posted, I don't think I have ever actually looked. (I have a pretty good stock of alcohol... I am a college kid with a liqour licence :celebrate)



    Great link to the LCB by the way.

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    deanf wrote:
    Your link doesn't work.
    Fixed: http://www.liq.wa.gov/releases/contact.asp

    email has been sent to the Liquor control Board. This is the sign, which is clearly wrong for the establishment:
    Does not apply to the liquor store as long as minors are allowed in. Contact the Enforcement Division of the Liquor Control board. They should straighten it out as this same sign has been use by many places that allow minors and the enforcement guys shot them down everytime. It would be nice if the ******* putting the sign up would first read the RCW. Then at least they would know they are wrong.

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    I spent almost an hour on the phone with the liquor control board and got in touch with one of the higher ups with the enforcement devision and he did some research and called me back to inform me that there was absolutely no problem with carrying inside any liquor store. This was about six months ago and I don't remember what his name was but you can call them and I am sure they will tell you the same thing.

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    Two different types of establishments, two different rules. One, sells it in closed bottles, other is serving open liquor for consumtion on the premise.

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    M1Gunr, I've been looking at that sign whose photo you posted. It looks as if some knucklehead went to a supply store for gin mills a bought it for (illegal) display. It's obviously directed at customers entering lounges or taverns quoting as it does RCW 9.41.300 (d).

    This calls for an investigation, I tells ya!

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    rest assured I will have it in writing and have this mess cleared up.

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    Considering your recent adventure, M1gunr, Gail and I went to our local booze store here in Covington. No inaccurate signs. I commented on this to the clerk in a praiseworthy fashion and was told, "Oh not in here. Not in any State building. We (employees) can't even have guns. I politely explained where she was wrong and encountered the most closed mind I've met in a long time (face to face).

    The manager won't be in until Wednesday. I don't think I need duplicate your actions if you're successful. If you get an email supporting our rights I'll take it over to show the manager.

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    Victory !!
    Just a car, would you add to the pro carry list of businesses ?


    My name is Earl Hill and I’m a District Manager for the Liquor Control Board covering the Tacoma area.
    I’m responding to your concern regarding a recent shopping experience at our retail store # 122 at 72nd and Pacific Avenue in Tacoma. I have reviewed the incident as described and it appears that while you were shopping, a customer initially noticed your firearm and commented that you were not allowed to have one in the store. Our store employees overheard this and supported that you were not allowed to carry while the store. Upon reviewing the signs posted in the store; I have determined that the signs were meant to be advisory for our staff and not for our retail customers. Our store employees were misinformed about the intent of the sign and I have authorized their removal.
    Let me apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We value customer feedback and I appreciate you letting me know about this incident. Let me know if you wish to discuss further by calling or emailing me at your convenience.

    Thank you
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    Well there you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth. Good job, Gunner!

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    Victory !!
    Just a car, would you add to the pro carry list of businesses ?
    Is there really a need to add them? The law does not allow them to restrict firearms so they have to allow carry in a legal manner.

    If it is added just make sure it is ALL liquor stores.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    if its on the pro business it will resolve the is it legal questions...

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    if its on the pro business it will resolve the is it legal questions...
    That is if people take the time to look at it before asking already answered questions.

    I can see your point but I thought the reason for the pro-gun list was to advertise private businesses that respect our right to carry.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
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    if its on the pro business it will resolve the is it legal questions...
    That is if people take the time to look at it before asking already answered questions.

    I can see your point but I thought the reason for the pro-gun list was to advertise private businesses that respect our right to carry.
    +1.

    State constitution requires state agencies to allow carry within the confines of the law and the area in question is open to minors and has no other restrictions. So, it's not the choice of the manager of the store or, really, even the WA liquor control board as to whether to allow someone to carry there; it is your right to do so until such time as they bar minors from the premesis.

    Now, if people here feel that, with that said, they should be listed on the pro-gun list for following state law, I'll do so. Just make your voice heard and I'll weigh my decision on such.
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    The liquor store although run by the state here in Washington is still a retail store for all intended purposes. I see it as a little different than the Dept Of Licensing or a court house.

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    I see where youare coming from M1. Maybe they could be added to the list with note that it has been confirmed that the no weapons sinage is for informational purposes for the employees and are not meant to be restrictive.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    The liquor store although run by the state here in Washington is still a retail store for all intended purposes. I see it as a little different than the Dept Of Licensing or a court house.
    The package stores are still owned and operated by the State of Washingtonand as suchmust comply with state law. Since the is no law against OC and no law against carrying in a liquor store, then they can't restrict it. Being a retail store has nothing to do with it.

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    Shy_Panda wrote:
    I always just assumed that they had it posted, I don't think I have ever actually looked. (I have a pretty good stock of alcohol... I am a college kid with a liqour licence :celebrate)
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