And could easily be used against you in Court .. Besides nobody's won any huge settlements over this.
Why do you want everyone to be so frickin' confrontational? The CPL, IDhim and tells the copthe opcan legally own a gun and are thus legal to OC. It didn't hurt him at all and actually if you have a CPL, CC or notand the cop asks for it, you must produce it. Hell, the cop went away happy and nobody was harmed. Your way gets cops pissed off and start looking for ways to screw with you. I just don't understand your desire to make everything as bad as it can be made.
What! Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Quit watching Law & Order, it ain't the real world.
You are obviously not bear, what did you do with him?Why do you want everyone to be so frickin' confrontational? The CPL, IDhim and tells the copthe opcan legally own a gun and are thus legal to OC. It didn't hurt him at all and actually if you have a CPL, CC or notand the cop asks for it, you must produce it. Hell, the cop went away happy and nobody was harmed. Your way gets cops pissed off and start looking for ways to screw with you. I just don't understand your desire to make everything as bad as it can be made.
It is real world .. always gotta chime in like Mr. Know it all to situations you've never been in.
Sounds like you brother had a stinker for a lawyer, if he had one.
First I didn't say DONT show him CPL... I said he didn't HAVE to. I personally would show him my CPL but I would state that I did not have to as I wouldn't need it to be open carrying.David.Car wrote:Why do you want everyone to be so frickin' confrontational? The CPL, IDhim and tells the copthe opcan legally own a gun and are thus legal to OC. It didn't hurt him at all and actually if you have a CPL, CC or notand the cop asks for it, you must produce it. Hell, the cop went away happy and nobody was harmed. Your way gets cops pissed off and start looking for ways to screw with you. I just don't understand your desire to make everything as bad as it can be made.
You would be wrong. If you have a CPL on your personand the cop ask to see it, the law is clear, you have to show it.Bear 45/70 wrote:First I didn't say DONT show him CPL... I said he didn't HAVE to. I personally would show him my CPL but I would state that I did not have to as I wouldn't need it to be open carrying.David.Car wrote:Why do you want everyone to be so frickin' confrontational? The CPL, IDhim and tells the copthe opcan legally own a gun and are thus legal to OC. It didn't hurt him at all and actually if you have a CPL, CC or notand the cop asks for it, you must produce it. Hell, the cop went away happy and nobody was harmed. Your way gets cops pissed off and start looking for ways to screw with you. I just don't understand your desire to make everything as bad as it can be made.
But 2 and 3 I definitly would have done just like I wrote.
At the pointthe LEOsaid the OP was causing alarm, and he could take his gun, he crossed over to someone who is trying to intimidate into making the citizen comply with what he THOUGHT was right and I no longer want to be the cops friend, but want to establish that I have my rights, and I know my rights, and as soon as possible the conversation will be ended and we can go our seperate ways.
Back to the OP. I am constantly forgetting the pamphlets as well. So I had some cards made up that have the WA State Constitution quote and a very quick OC description on the front, than the important part of RCW 9.41.270 and a mention of State vs Casad on the back. Website too of course. They stay in my wallet, so even if I forget the pamphlet I can still talk to the person and give them the card so they hopefully can goand look up more.
Read again. You must have it in your possession when carrying concealed. But the "and" between that and the display part seperates them making them making them two parts of the law. Which means if it is in your possession and the cop ask, you better show it. It does not say that you only have to show it while CCing, just on demand.
Without probably cause it is none of his business legally. The sheeple whining and crying and wringing their hands is the only reason they approach OCer (it's the must do something syndrome)and even then, they can onlylegally contact you, in social contactbecause as far as he can see you have broken no law. But I still say cooperation is the best tack to take as we are still educating the police. It's why I carry pamphlets, to educate and am pleasant. If you are uncooperative and even rude, all the cop learns is that anyone thatOCs is just that, rude and uncooperative. Be pleasant and educate is our best choice.
They can't refuse to take your complaint and the Sgt backing his officer is no great suprise as the officer's lack of training reflects on the Sgt. It's part of the thin blue line crap. Support for each other even if the jackass is wrong.As to the complaint, now you have two because they can't refuse to accept your complaint. Call their Internal Affairs or whatever they call it and make an appointment to go in an file a complaint. Make that two because the Sgt was out of line.