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    Finially common sense prevails !


    HARROLD, Texas — A tiny Texas school district may be the first in the nation to allow teachers and staff to pack guns for protection when classes begin later this month, a newspaper reported.
    Trustees at the Harrold Independent School District approved a district policy change last October so employees can carry concealed firearms to deter and protect against school shootings, provided the gun-toting teachers follow certain requirements.
    In order for teachers and staff to carry a pistol, they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun; must be authorized to carry by the district; must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations and have to use ammunition that is designed to minimize the risk of ricochet in school halls.
    Superintendent David Thweatt said the small community is a 30-minute drive from the sheriff's office, leaving students and teachers without protection. He said the district's lone campus sits 500 feet from heavily trafficked U.S. 287, which could make it a target.
    "When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that's when all of these shootings started. Why would you put it out there that a group of people can't defend themselves? That's like saying 'sic 'em' to a dog," Thweatt said in Friday's online edition of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
    Thweatt said officials researched the policy and considered other options for about a year before approving the policy change. He said the district also has various other security measures in place to prevent a school shooting.
    "The naysayers think (a shooting) won't happen here. If something were to happen here, I'd much rather be calling a parent to tell them that their child is OK because we were able to protect them," Thweatt said.
    Texas law outlaws firearms on school campuses "unless pursuant to the written regulations or written authorization of the institution."
    It was unclear how many of the 50 or so teachers and staff members will be armed this fall because Thweatt did not disclose that information, to keep it from students or potential attackers. Wilbarger County Sheriff Larry Lee was out of the office Thursday and did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment, the newspaper said.
    Barbara Williams, a spokeswoman for the Texas Association of School Boards, said her organization did not know of another district with such a policy. Ken Trump, a Cleveland-based school security expert who advises districts nationwide, including in Texas, said Harrold is the first district with such a policy.
    The 110-student district is 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth on the eastern end of Wilbarger County, near the Oklahoma border.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5945430.html





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    It is comforting to know that there are some public officials out there who have their heads on straight!

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    Common sense raises it head, finally.

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    Woohoo! As Bear said, common sense!!! This makes my day.

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    This is just going to take us back to the days of the Old West when there were shootouts in every school!

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    3/325 wrote:
    This is just going to take us back to the days of the Old West when there were shootouts in every school!
    Name one shootout in any school in the old west. But of course the antis don't care about the facts. Like the fact thatsince their no guns at schools went into effect is when all the school shootings started.

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    Won't anyone think of the children!!! They are our martyr's for the gun control cause!!







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    From:
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    "Decades ago, Israel adopted a policy that swiftly ended terrorist attacks against schools. Earlier this year, Thailand adopted a similar approach. It is politically incorrect, but it does have the advantage of saving the lives of children and teachers. The policy? Encourage teachers to carry firearms.
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    ...If we are really serious about gun laws that protect “the children,” then it seems clear that — whatever other gun laws a society adopts — every civilized nation at risk of terrorist attack ought to ensure that armed teachers can protect innocent children."

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    3/325 wrote:
    This is just going to take us back to the days of the Old West when there were shootouts in every school!
    Name one shootout in any school in the old west. But of course the antis don't care about the facts. Like the fact thatsince their no guns at schools went into effect is when all the school shootings started.
    Bear, I was making a mockery of the usual gun-grabber rant. Come on, now... You know me better than that!

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    3/325 wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    3/325 wrote:
    This is just going to take us back to the days of the Old West when there were shootouts in every school!
    Name one shootout in any school in the old west. But of course the antis don't care about the facts. Like the fact thatsince their no guns at schools went into effect is when all the school shootings started.
    Bear, I was making a mockery of the usual gun-grabber rant. Come on, now... You know me better than that!
    I know, but I was answering the anti-gun people's thinking from their no logic response to this.

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    As long as the teachers receive some good training to go with their guns. Otherwise youmay have an armed adult potentially attempting to shoot at a bg amongst a room or hall filled with screaming, panicking kids, running every direction. Very similar to taking a shot in a mall full of people. They best know what the hell they are doing, or it could end in disaster via "friendly fire" and as we all know friendly fire, isn't.
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    I agree with the policy AND the stipulations. It's sad, though, that this has become necessary.
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    Wonderful. Hopefully this will set an example for the rest of the nation...

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Wonderful. Hopefully this will set an example for the rest of the nation...
    Did we forget that Utah law authorizes lawfully permitted carry in any public school, and has been that way for years? :P

    We already set the example, but it seems that not many states paid attention.
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    SGT Jensen wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Wonderful. Hopefully this will set an example for the rest of the nation...
    Did we forget that Utah law authorizes lawfully permitted carry in any public school, and has been that way for years? :P

    We already set the example, but it seems that not many states paid attention.
    No one pays attention because you guys don't have school shootings.
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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    3/325 wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    3/325 wrote:
    This is just going to take us back to the days of the Old West when there were shootouts in every school!
    Name one shootout in any school in the old west. But of course the antis don't care about the facts. Like the fact thatsince their no guns at schools went into effect is when all the school shootings started.
    Bear, I was making a mockery of the usual gun-grabber rant. Come on, now... You know me better than that!
    I know, but I was answering the anti-gun people's thinking from their no logic response to this.
    Very well, then. Carry on, sir!

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    joeroket wrote:
    No one pays attention because you guys don't have school shootings.
    Hmmm.... I wonder why?



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    Johnny Law wrote:
    As long as the teachers receive some good training to go with their guns. Otherwise youmay have an armed adult potentially attempting to shoot at a bg amongst a room or hall filled with screaming, panicking kids, running every direction. Very similar to taking a shot in a mall full of people. They best know what the hell they are doing, or it could end in disaster via "friendly fire" and as we all know friendly fire, isn't.
    Once again the cops can't stand the thought of anyone but them having guns. Even when all the facts prove them wrong.

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    I just wanted to say that this is a great idea. The fact that the teachers who arecarrying are also getting training in crisis management and the well-publicized nature of the policy makes the school much safer.

    ~A Teacher~

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Johnny Law wrote: Once again the cops can't stand the thought of anyone but them having guns. Even when all the facts prove them wrong.
    Mmm... Interesting point. There is no other part of the Federal or State Constitutions that include the phrases "Shall not be infringed" and "Shall not be impaired." And yet the government falls all over itself doing just that.

    I wonder how well "reasonable restrictions" would fly for say bookstores, or churches. Maybe a 5 day waiting period to buy books with anti government content to allow the purchaser to "cool off" or special training before one can pray in public.

    Guns are dangerous tools, but so are a lot of other things out there and there is nowhere the level of restriction on them as guns.



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    Johnny Law wrote:
    As long as the teachers receive some good training to go with their guns. Otherwise youmay have an armed adult potentially attempting to shoot at a bg amongst a room or hall filled with screaming, panicking kids, running every direction. Very similar to taking a shot in a mall full of people. They best know what the hell they are doing, or it could end in disaster via "friendly fire" and as we all know friendly fire, isn't.
    When faced with unfriendly fire, even unskilled friendly fire will still tend to save more lives than no friendly fire at all. Even *if* there is "collateral damage" by the good guy, the fact remains, they are not TRYING to hit anyone but the bad guy. Since the path of a bullet is intelligently directed, not random, even in the most inexperienced hands, good guys with guns WILL have a net positive effect over bad guys with guns, no matter what the other factors.

    Nowhere is this more true than defending against mass murder, not just a one-on-one confrontation.

    Our *unalienable* civil rights are NOT predicated on training. Our country was founded with the principle that the benefits of liberty outweigh the inconveniences. Never forget that!

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Johnny Law wrote:
    As long as the teachers receive some good training to go with their guns. Otherwise youmay have an armed adult potentially attempting to shoot at a bg amongst a room or hall filled with screaming, panicking kids, running every direction. Very similar to taking a shot in a mall full of people. They best know what the hell they are doing, or it could end in disaster via "friendly fire" and as we all know friendly fire, isn't.
    Once again the cops can't stand the thought of anyone but them having guns. Even when all the facts prove them wrong.
    Bear..........read the first line of my post. The restare words of concern. Are you so longing for an argument that you must fabricate one where it doesn't exist?
    If you have to fight, do not fear death. We will all die one day, so fight skillfully and bravely! And if it is to be that you die, then at least go to God proudly. Meet him as the proud warrior that you are, and not as a sniveling coward. Nobody lives forever.

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    Johnny Law wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Johnny Law wrote:
    As long as the teachers receive some good training to go with their guns. Otherwise youmay have an armed adult potentially attempting to shoot at a bg amongst a room or hall filled with screaming, panicking kids, running every direction. Very similar to taking a shot in a mall full of people. They best know what the hell they are doing, or it could end in disaster via "friendly fire" and as we all know friendly fire, isn't.
    Once again the cops can't stand the thought of anyone but them having guns. Even when all the facts prove them wrong.
    Bear..........read the first line of my post. The restare words of concern. Are you so longing for an argument that you must fabricate one where it doesn't exist?
    The part about they have to get training is not require anywhere in the Constitution. So why is it your requirement? Not your place to decide what is required, just enforce what the law says. I'm not the only one expressing that either.

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