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    How long have they been on the VCDL do not patronize list? I have been going there over a year with no problems. Today, for the first time, I was asked to put my gun in my car by a security guard. When I declined, he asked me to leave. After claiming the policy was posted "on the website," he mumbled something about contractual agreements and law, at which time I pointed out that Springfield Mall policy is not law. He then claimed to be a third year law student, and tried to explain that mall policy was, in fact, law.

    As he escorted me out, I heard him on the radio, reporting that he had to "give a class on when mall policy becomes law." :quirky He also kept saying something into his radio about "CIA Agent Patrick Somebody" (I can't remember the name). I guess Springfield Mall Security works with the CIA.

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    marshaul wrote:
    How long have they been on the VCDL do not patronize list? I have been going there over a year with no problems. Today, for the first time, I was asked to put my gun in my car by a security guard. When I declined, he asked me to leave. After claiming the policy was posted "on the website," he mumbled something about contractual agreements and law, at which time I pointed out that Springfield Mall policy is not law. He then claimed to be a third year law student, and tried to explain that mall policy was, in fact, law.

    As he escorted me out, I heard him on the radio, reporting that he had to "give a class on when mall policy becomes law." :quirky He also kept saying something into his radio about "CIA Agent Patrick Somebody" (I can't remember the name). I guess Springfield Mall Security works with the CIA.
    Marshaul, After reading your post I checked out their site, and the rental cop was right it is posted on their website. Don't know what to think of the CIA comment? He's the link. http://www.springfieldmall.com/security.aspx

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    Yeah, I know it's on the website. Like I said, they're on the VCDL "Do Not Patronize" list. I just didn't know it until now, because I'd never had a problem before. I'm not going to check the website of every place I visit just to see if they don't discriminate.

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    marshaul wrote:
    Yeah, I know it's on the website. Like I said, they're on the VCDL "Do Not Patronize" list. I just didn't know it until now, because I'd never had a problem before. I'm not going to check the website of every place I visit just to see if they don't discriminate.
    Well, it's not posted at any of their entrances...only having it online is discrimination against those who do not have internet access.

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    Write the manager, district, and regional managers of the stores you frequent, tell them you will no longer give them business due to this and copy the mall manager on it (and of course, give them the mall management information so they can complain as well).

    Companies care about money, ESPECIALLY in a down economy! A few hundred bucks a year is 10's of thousands over your lifetime in lost revenues.

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    All that live in the area of Springfield should write the mall after you post the address.

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    6500 Springfield Mall
    Springfield, VA 22150


    Mall Office: (703) 971-3600


    info@Springfieldmall.com




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    marshaul wrote:
    He also kept saying something into his radio about "CIA Agent Patrick Somebody" (I can't remember the name). I guess Springfield Mall Security works with the CIA.
    Maybe he was Gecko45! LOL!
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    "when mall policy becomes law" what a frikken idiot!!
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    "when mall policy becomes law" what a frikken idiot!!
    Sounds like "when animals attack".

    I wonder if the guard was swatpro911?

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    The best part is how it's always the security guys who act like they're dealing with some dangerous situation. Meanwhile, the proprietors of the establishments I patronize are more than happy to take my money. Somehow I don't think they'd be too happy to know that mall security is turning away customers who they are happy to have in their stores.

    At one point, a guy in a cell phone company kiosk asked me if my gun was real. I stopped to explain OC, and he became quite interested, so I ended up giving him one of the Virginia OC "business cards" that I got from Ed. His coworker also wanted one, and so did a customer who had been standing around.

    Thank god security stopped me in time! Otherwise, I might have handed out more OC cards before I left.

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    marshaul wrote:
    He also kept saying something into his radio about "CIA Agent Patrick Somebody" (I can't remember the name). I guess Springfield Mall Security works with the CIA.
    Maybe he was Gecko45! LOL!
    that would depend on whether he had an MP5 under the seat of his electric transportation cart

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    marshaul wrote:
    I ended up giving him one of the Virginia OC "business cards" that I got from Ed.
    If you need a re-load send me a s.a.s.e. and I will send more.

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    http://www.springfieldmall.com/secur...93155969306827

    Security assistance is available 24 hours a day by contacting (703) 971-1621 or by visiting the Security Office on the upper level by the parking garage entrance/exit.

    What can Mall Security do for you?


    Springfield Mall's security team is committed to making your shopping experience the best it can be. Contact one of our security staff for assistance if you:

    Locked your keys in your car. We can assist you with numbers for locksmiths.

    Need assistance getting packages to your car.

    Forgot where you parked.

    Want an escort to your car.

    Need complimentary wheelchairs.

    Need Lost & Found services.

    Our friendly security staff will be happy to assist you in whatever way they can.


    Suggested Safety Tips


    Shop with friends or relatives if possible.... there is safety in numbers.

    Lock your purchases in the trunk of your car.

    Never leave packages on the back seat or in a visible location.

    Carry your most expensive purchases closest to your body.

    Carrying too many packages at one time will make you an easy target. Have packages delivered to your home when possible.

    Remember to retrieve your credit cards after making purchases.

    Be alert in crowded places. Pickpockets' favorite places are revolving doors, crowded stores, elevators, public transportation and bus stops at rush hour.

    Thieves often work in pairs: one will bump into you while the other picks your pocket or purse.

    Use caution when using ATM machines. Always consider the time of day and location. Never exit with cash in your hands from the ATM.


    If strangers are near your vehicle, return to the mall for assistance.

    Have your keys out and be prepared to unlock your vehicle. Look inside your vehicle before entering it to be sure no one is hiding in the front or back seat.

    If you are sitting in your car and somebody suspiciously approaches, drive away.

    Lock your doors and windows when you get in and keep them locked.


    Springfield Mall Rules of Conduct
    Springfield Mall, including its designated roadways and parking areas, is private property. In order to provide a safe, secure and pleasant environment we ask your cooperation by following these Rules of Conduct.

    These activities are NOT ALLOWED:

    Use of loud, obscene or offensive language or gestures.

    Entry without shoes or shirt. Clothing expressing an obscene or offensive message. Clothing that does not cover or conceal one's body to prevent indecent exposure or nudity.

    Loitering, standing or walking in a manner that interferes or is likely to interfere with others.

    Running, shouting, horseplay, throwing any type of object, littering, disorderly or disruptive conduct of any nature.

    Use of any property in an improper or unsafe manner.

    Illegal possession, use and/or consumption of alcoholic beverages or controlled substances.

    Photography, videography, performances or other entertainment.

    Smoking (inside).

    Use of bicycles, skateboards, roller-skates, roller-blades, scooters and the like anywhere on the property either inside the Mall or in parking facilities.

    Solicitation or leafleting.

    Animals except a trained ‚Äúservice animal‚ÄĚ accompanying an individual with a disability.

    Possession of a weapon, even if legally carried, except by law enforcement officers.

    Any act defined by Federal, State or Local law constituting a criminal offense.

    Groups of 4 or more under the age of 18 will be asked to leave the mall for the day unless in the immediate company of a parent or responsible adult/guardian over the age of 25.


    Your entry constitutes your consent to abide by all the posted rules governing conduct. A violation of these rules may result in expulsion from the property or other legal action, as Management deems appropriate. Questions regarding these rules of conduct should be addressed to Springfield Mall Management.

    Carry On.

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    nova wrote:
    6500 Springfield Mall
    Springfield, VA 22150
    Mall Office: (703) 971-3600

    info@Springfieldmall.com
    Managers don't care.. I mailed to the OWNER.



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    This has been an intermittent issue at Springfield mall for a couple of years.

    I carry openly there when I go. Never had an issue. Had a couple of clerks and some customers question me, but always friendly.

    If you visit Springfield mall, you know it's only prudent to be carrying. Way too many robberies and shootings at that mall in the last few years.

    As for their site: a former moderator once wrote "That's why I never OC when I visit their web site"


    However, this is one place I disagree with mailing/sending notices. None of the entrances are posted, and only rarely will a security guard get snarky with OC. So when I have to go there (my preferred hairdresser works there, and if you've never had to find a new hairdresser, I envy you), I OC and take my chances. Notification of the ownership is likely to get signs posted, and then no one can OC there.
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    Yeah, the hysteria over guns creates the open carry ban on private property (the mall), but the shooter in Omaha last year didn't follow the rules when he carried a rifle into the mall there and killed a bunch of people.

    Yesterday I went down to Georgetownand open carried -- no, NOT A GUN! I bought a pint of Everclear at Dixie Liquor, which no well-stocked liquor cabinet can be without, and which is not sold in Virginia. Then I decided the walk up to Barnes & Noble, a bit further down toward Foggy Bottom thanI had remembered. Walking through Georgetown with a pint of liquor in a paper bag gets a few :what:s. Good thing they didn't know it was Everclear. One pan-handler invited me to sit down.



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    WOW from some pictures it is a nice looking mall. too bad you got asked to leave.

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    marshaul wrote:
    He also kept saying something into his radio about "CIA Agent Patrick Somebody" (I can't remember the name). I guess Springfield Mall Security works with the CIA.

    CIA Agent Patrick Sprinkle is the flavor of the month at Dunkin' Doughnuts. :celebrate

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    WOW from some pictures it is a nice looking mall. too bad you got asked to leave.
    Haha! I can tell you've never been here. The place is a dump. Half the retail spaces are vacant, and there was a rumor that the owners were trying to renovate it, since there are buckets of water all over the place whenever it rains. It's also a hangout for gangs and gangster wannabes. I only occasionally go there; the best thing about it was a Korean watch repairman who ran his own little shop with used pocketwatches and stuff, he was really good at what he did. I think his shop is closed, now, as is the movie house.

    The best part is how it's always the security guys who act like they're dealing with some dangerous situation. Meanwhile, the proprietors of the establishments I patronize are more than happy to take my money. Somehow I don't think they'd be too happy to know that mall security is turning away customers who they are happy to have in their stores.
    This is a phenomenon of human behaviour. You put somebody in a uniform and tell him his job is important, and he starts to take it way too seriously and develops a complex about "how this place wouldn't get along without me" and so forth.

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    WOW from some pictures it is a nice looking mall. too bad you got asked to leave.
    Haha! I can tell you've never been here. The place is a dump. Half the retail spaces are vacant, and there was a rumor that the owners were trying to renovate it, since there are buckets of water all over the place whenever it rains. It's also a hangout for gangs and gangster wannabes. I only occasionally go there; the best thing about it was a Korean watch repairman who ran his own little shop with used pocketwatches and stuff, he was really good at what he did. I think his shop is closed, now, as is the movie house.

    The best part is how it's always the security guys who act like they're dealing with some dangerous situation. Meanwhile, the proprietors of the establishments I patronize are more than happy to take my money. Somehow I don't think they'd be too happy to know that mall security is turning away customers who they are happy to have in their stores.
    This is a phenomenon of human behaviour. You put somebody in a uniform and tell him his job is important, and he starts to take it way too seriously and develops a complex about "how this place wouldn't get along without me" and so forth.
    What happens when you build the subway out, the trash from everywhere can hop on and congregate.

    Hopefully same doesn't happen to Tysons!

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    WOW from some pictures it is a nice looking mall. too bad you got asked to leave.
    Haha! I can tell you've never been here. The place is a dump. Half the retail spaces are vacant, and there was a rumor that the owners were trying to renovate it, since there are buckets of water all over the place whenever it rains. It's also a hangout for gangs and gangster wannabes. I only occasionally go there; the best thing about it was a Korean watch repairman who ran his own little shop with used pocketwatches and stuff, he was really good at what he did. I think his shop is closed, now, as is the movie house.

    The best part is how it's always the security guys who act like they're dealing with some dangerous situation. Meanwhile, the proprietors of the establishments I patronize are more than happy to take my money. Somehow I don't think they'd be too happy to know that mall security is turning away customers who they are happy to have in their stores.
    This is a phenomenon of human behaviour. You put somebody in a uniform and tell him his job is important, and he starts to take it way too seriously and develops a complex about "how this place wouldn't get along without me" and so forth.
    What happens when you build the subway out, the trash from everywhere can hop on and congregate.

    Hopefully same doesn't happen to Tysons!
    Myth. I ride the Metro often, and I have yet to see trash get on in DC and ride all the way to Springfield just to mug somebody.The crime is local, it's teenagers living in the immediate neighborhood. Sometimes it is from out of state, usually Maryland, and those types usually drive in.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    hsmith wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    Alwayspacking wrote:
    WOW from some pictures it is a nice looking mall. too bad you got asked to leave.
    Haha! I can tell you've never been here. The place is a dump. Half the retail spaces are vacant, and there was a rumor that the owners were trying to renovate it, since there are buckets of water all over the place whenever it rains. It's also a hangout for gangs and gangster wannabes. I only occasionally go there; the best thing about it was a Korean watch repairman who ran his own little shop with used pocketwatches and stuff, he was really good at what he did. I think his shop is closed, now, as is the movie house.

    The best part is how it's always the security guys who act like they're dealing with some dangerous situation. Meanwhile, the proprietors of the establishments I patronize are more than happy to take my money. Somehow I don't think they'd be too happy to know that mall security is turning away customers who they are happy to have in their stores.
    This is a phenomenon of human behaviour. You put somebody in a uniform and tell him his job is important, and he starts to take it way too seriously and develops a complex about "how this place wouldn't get along without me" and so forth.
    What happens when you build the subway out, the trash from everywhere can hop on and congregate.

    Hopefully same doesn't happen to Tysons!
    Myth. I ride the Metro often, and I have yet to see trash get on in DC and ride all the way to Springfield just to mug somebody.¬*The crime is local, it's teenagers living in the immediate neighborhood. Sometimes it is from out of state, usually Maryland, and those types usually drive in.
    Tomahawk speaks the truth. Metro isn't the problem. Springfield is.

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    However, this is one place I disagree with mailing/sending notices.¬* None of the entrances are posted, and only rarely will a security guard get snarky with OC.¬* So when I have to go there (my preferred hairdresser works there, and if you've never had to find a new hairdresser, I envy you), I OC and take my chances.¬* Notification of the ownership is likely to get signs posted, and then no one can OC there.
    I disagree. I was a regular customer at the Western store in Springfield Mall, and never had any problems. Now I've been asked to leave. We should work to have the policy removed, not remain complacent because you think you are immune to the inevitable.

    I am not an intimidating person; everywhere I go I am welcomed with my firearm, usually treated like a special customer because I not only make people feel comfortable, but safe. If being asked to leave Springfield Mall happened to me, it can happen to you, too.

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    marshaul wrote:
    I disagree. I was a regular customer at the Western store in Springfield Mall, and never had any problems. Now I've been asked to leave. We should work to have the policy removed, not remain complacent because you think you are immune to the inevitable.

    I am not an intimidating person; everywhere I go I am welcomed with my firearm, usually treated like a special customer because I not only make people feel comfortable, but safe. If being asked to leave Springfield Mall happened to me, it can happen to you, too.
    I understand. And I know others have been asked to leave. Always by a security guard, IIRC. Bringing management in to it, though, may have the unintended result of getting the entire place posted, and then instead of one person being asked to leave (BTW, I bet turnover on security guards there is heavy), no one would be allowed in.

    We're on the same side here, just disagreeing how to handle one instance. There have been enough jamokes playing security at enough malls that if we start writing the management about all of them, soon we'd not be able to go to any mall.
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