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    Did you know that in 2007, the Nevada passed SB354, and part of that bill made Firearms illegal in "Child Care Facilities?" I knew they were illegal there, but I had no idea that it was so recently that this became the law. It was approved by the governor June 2007.

    See SB354 here: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Bills/SB/SB354_EN.pdf

    Every member of the Senate unanimously supported the bill: http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/repo...Billname=SB354

    And hardly anyone in the assembly voted against it: (list of votes)
    http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/repo...Billname=SB354
    I wrote both my assemblyman (Ty Cobb)and my senator (Bill Raggio)to inform them of my displeasure with the particular portion of the bill. If your assemblymen/senators also voted for this bill, maybe you might consider doing so also.

    This was the e-mail I sent to them.

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    Senator/Assemblyman (NAME),



    When looking at SB354, which you voted for in 2007, the very first section of the bill I found made it generally illegal to possess a firearm in a child care facility. I would just like to inform you of my disagreement with this particular portion of the bill. I think guns are already regulated enough in Nevada. In particular, this restriction only serves to make it more difficult for people in Nevada who lawfully carry guns. Not only is it yet another place they must be aware of so as to not accidentally break the law, but it is a further annoyance that people who carry guns must adhere to. Now, if someone is dropping off their child at such a facility, and lawfully carries a gun (for example, with a concealed carry permit), they must remember to leave it in their car where it is likely to be stolen. The portion which says it is legal with written permission is silly, because almost nobody will want to give such permission due to the liability concerns. Most of these people have nothing against people lawfully carrying guns but the act of giving express written permission is what gives them liability.



    As more places become off-limits to firearms it creates a maze of places that lawful firearm carriers must avoid making daily life quite a hassle. Additionally, laws such as this do nothing to stop people who are actually intent on causing harm to a facility, as I’m sure you’d agree that someone intent on a violent crime is not too worried about violating a gun law.



    Please Senator/Assemblyman (NAME), do not support further calls for gun control in Nevada. Minor legislation such as this in itself is not very wide-reaching but the culmination of such minor legislation builds up over time and doesn’t seem to have an end in sight.

    Thanks,

    (My Name)



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    Yep. A horrible bill/law. The original bill would have made it a felony for a violation.

    That bill was sort of a "sleeper" and was near passage when some of us found out about the bill and mounted a last minute grass roots campaign. We we not able to stop the bill completely, but it was amended to remove the felony provision.

    It is still bad law. I don't believe it is right (nor Constitutional) for gov't to regulate firearms on private property.

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    Section 1. NRS 202.265 is hereby amended to read as follows: 202.265 1. Except as otherwise provided in this section, a person shall not carry or possess, while on the property of the Nevada System of Higher Education, or a private or public school or child care facility, or while in a vehicle of a private or public school or child care facility:
    This prevents me from carrying at church, since the parking lot is considered the property of the daycare center that we started next door. It's perfectly fine to have a gun in the church, but not the parking lot, effectively making my church a gun-free zone, except for the few police officers who attend.

    I'm going by the church office (at a different location) later today to ask the pastor to help me get written permission. The daycare is run by the church. I'm unsure if the pastor will help, being a native of California. I am one too, and he's been out for more than a year longer, so there's hope for him.

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    my church as well has a day care center, so i had to get permission from my church to carry on the premises. They are perfectly fine with it.

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    What a dumb bill. What's the point of being able to protect you and other people if you can't protect the most important of them all: children?

    I can see why some are against it. They think that the gun owner will set the gun down, or the kids will somehow get a hold of it and shoot someone. If a child can get a hold of your gun when you're dropping your own kid off, or even just visiting, you shouldn't be carrying a gun to begin with. If someone can ninja-grab your gun from your holster, or you place a loaded gun within the reach of small children, you're a danger to yourself and others, and will probably get someone killed anyway, regardless of being inside a daycare center or not.

    As for churches, I haven't found a church that didn't have a daycare, which makes me think this had an ulterior motive for some people.

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    Ok, so I just sent of an email to my pastor asking if he'll help me get written permission from the head of the daycare next to our church. He's close with them. I don't know the head personally, so I wouldn't expect them to give me permission on my own accord. We'll see if he'll vouch for me, and whether or not he's pro-gun.

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    CoonDawg wrote:
    As for churches, I haven't found a church that didn't have a daycare, which makes me think this had an ulterior motive for some people.
    I expect it would be a difficult argument to assert that any place that provides ancillary child care is intrinsically a "child care facility." I have 4 children, so there are always children being cared for at my home. Some larger grocery stores/department stores have a kid's area. Many casinos have a child care area. Nearly every church, as you mentioned.

    I would be amused to watch a DA try to argue in front of a jury that a casino is a child care facility.

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