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marshaul wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to defend the BATFE. But, the wording in question cannot be interpreted any other way. It's quite explicit. The Olofson conviction was valid according to the letter of the law, which doesn't specify that the gun must be made to fire automatically, only that it does fire automatically.
The problem with the BATFE isn't their precise and basically reasonable definition of "manufacturer," it's the fact that they exist at all.
I understand what you are trying to say, but you are looking at it from a logical standpoint, therefore you won't see it the way the ATF does.
as far as teh Olofson situation, the law says made, or re made to fire automatically. from my knowledge of teh situation, the AR-15 in question was neither. it malfunctioned. yet the ATF still applied "their" own definiotion, anmd now he pays for a crime that never happened.
let's look at this from the ATF standpoint
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearmstech/081508manufacturing-of-firearms.pdf
1. A company produces a quantity of firearm frames or receivers
[align=left]for sale to customers who will assemble firearms.[/align]
[align=left]The company is engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms and should be[/align]
[align=left]licensed as a manufacturer of firearms.[/align]
exactly how many frames or recievers qualify as "a quantity"?
200? 20? 2? farther down, it specifies that one gun does not make you a manufacturer, but there is no farther specification.
2. A company produces frames or receivers for another company
[align=left]that assembles and sells the firearms.[/align]
[align=left]Both companies are engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms, and each[/align]
[align=left]should be licensed as a manufacturer of firearms.[/align]
what is the ATF definition of a company? would it be anyone with an FFL/C&R/etc.?
suppose you buy the parts to make 2 firearms. you decide to sell one of them. are you now a "manufacturing company?
4. A company produces barrels for firearms and sells the barrels
[align=left]to another company that assembles and sells complete firearms.[/align]
[align=left]Because barrels are not firearms, the company that manufactures the barrels is not[/align]
[align=left]a manufacturer of firearms. The company that assembles and sells the firearms[/align]
[align=left]should be licensed as a manufacturer of firearms.[/align]
again, if you buy a new barrel for your gun and subsequently sell that gun, are you now a "manufacturer"?
7. An individual acquires frames or receivers and assembles
[align=left]firearms for his or her personal use, not for sale or distribution.[/align]
[align=left]The individual is not manufacturing firearms for sale or distribution and is not[/align]
[align=left]required to be a licensed manufacturer.[/align]
so as long as you keep said gunfor all of eternity, or you choose to give it as a gift, you are safe. but what if you decide to sell some of your customized weapons?
8. A gunsmith regularly buys military-type firearms, Mausers, etc., and
[align=left]“sporterizes” them for resale.[/align]
[align=left]The gunsmith is in the business of manufacturing firearms and should be licensed[/align]
[align=left]as a manufacturer.[/align]
[align=left]9. A gunsmith buys semiautomatic pistols and modifies the slides to accept a[/align]
[align=left]new style of sights. The sights are not usually sold with these firearms and[/align]
[align=left]do not attach to the existing mounting openings. The gunsmith offers these[/align]
[align=left]firearms for sale.[/align]
[align=left]This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should[/align]
[align=left]be licensed as a manufacturer.[/align]
[align=left]10. A gunsmith buys government model pistols and installs “drop-in” precision[/align]
[align=left]trigger parts or other “drop-in parts” for the purpose of resale.[/align]
[align=left]This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, as the gunsmith is[/align]
[align=left]purchasing the firearms, modifying the firearms, and selling them. The gunsmith[/align]
[align=left]should be licensed as a manufacturer.[/align]
[align=left]11. A gunsmith buys surplus military rifles, bends the bolts to accept a[/align]
[align=left]scope, and then drills the receivers for a scope base. The gunsmith[/align]
[align=left]offers these firearms for sale.[/align]
[align=left]This would be considered the manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should[/align]
[align=left]be licensed as a manufacturer.[/align]
[align=left]12. A gunsmith buys surplus military rifles or pistols and removes the stocks,[/align]
[align=left]adds new stocks or pistol grips, cleans the firearms, then sends the firearms[/align]
[align=left]to a separate contractor for bluing. These firearms are then sold to the[/align]
[align=left]public.[/align]
[align=left]This would be considered manufacturing of firearms, and the gunsmith should be[/align]
[align=left]licensed as a manufacturer.[/align]
yeah, those seem pretty cut and dry. if you modify a firearm to accept a scope you are a manufacturer? give me a break...
13. A company purchases surplus firearms, cleans the firearms, then offers themfor sale to the public.
The company does not need to be licensed as a manufacture
[align=left]
well, at least we are allowed to clean our guns before we sell them....[/align]
[align=left]
[/align]
[align=left]14. A company produces firearms or firearm receivers and sends the[/align]
[align=left]firearm/receivers out for colorizing (bluing, camouflaging, phosphating, or[/align]
[align=left]plating) and/or heat treating. Do the companies performing the colorization[/align]
[align=left]and/or heat treating need to be licensed as manufacturers, and are the[/align]
[align=left]companies required to place their markings on the firearm?[/align]
[align=left]ATF has determined that both colorization and heat treating of firearms are[/align]
[align=left]manufacturing processes. The companies performing the processes are required[/align]
[align=left]to be licensed as manufacturers. If the companies providing colorization and/or[/align]
[align=left]heat treating have not received variances to adopt the original manufacturer’s[/align]
[align=left]markings, they would be required to place their own markings on any firearm on[/align]
[align=left]which they perform the manufacturing process of colorization and/or heat[/align]
[align=left]treating.[/align]
[align=left]
[/align]
so ifyou re-blue a gun and then sell it, you are amanufacturer?
whiel I don't mean to sound like a smart-ass, and please don't takle this as such, this isridiculous, and will lead to farther incidents thatmake more law abiding citizens de facto felons.and what can't felons possess?
this is just one more "backdoor"FED trick for the ultimate extinctionof our RTKBA