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    The quiet afternoon had only a single glitch, when one of the armed enthusiasts tried to walk to the park from his home in Warren.
    Police received a 911 call from a panicked woman about a man walking around with a gun. About 12 officers responded, but immediately sent the man on his way when he proved the gun was legally registered.
    This was from the article on last weekend's picnic. Here's my question: I live in Indiana, where I don't have to register my handguns. Michigan recognizes my LTCH as a CCW permit. Am I required to have my handguns registered somewhere in order to carry them in Michigan? Does anybody have a link to a specific law that states that nonresidents are required to register handguns they are carrying in MI or that specifically exempts us from that requirement?

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    Never mind; I found it. Here's the requirement for a safety inspection:
    28.429 Pistols; safety inspection required; certificate of inspection; exemptions; requirements of pistol
    presented for inspection; violation as civil infraction; fine.
    Sec. 9. (1) A person within the state who owns or comes into possession of a pistol shall, if he or she resides in a city, township,
    or village having an organized police department, present the pistol for safety inspection to the commissioner or chief
    of police of the city, township, or village police department or to a duly authorized deputy of the commissioner or chief of
    police. If that person resides in a part of the county not included within a city, township, or village having an organized police
    department, he or she shall present the pistol for safety inspection to the sheriff of the county or to a duly authorized deputy of
    the sheriff. If the person presenting the pistol is eligible to possess a pistol under section 2(1), a certificate of inspection shall
    be issued in triplicate on a form provided by the director of the department of state police, containing the name, age, address,
    description, and signature of the person presenting the pistol for inspection, together with a full description of the pistol. The
    original of the certificate shall be delivered to the registrant. The duplicate of the certificate shall be mailed within 48 hours to
    the director of the department of state police and filed and indexed by the department and kept as a permanent official record.
    The triplicate of the certificate shall be retained and filed in the office of the sheriff, commissioner, or chief of police. This section
    does not apply to a wholesale or retail dealer in firearms who regularly engages in the business of selling pistols at retail, or
    to a person who holds a collection of pistols kept for the purpose of display as relics or curios and that are not made for modern
    ammunition or are permanently deactivated.
    And here's the exemption for those licensed by another state, recognized in Michigan:
    28.432 Inapplicability of MCL 28.422 and 28.429; citation as “Janet Kukuk act”.
    Sec. 12. (1) Sections 2 and 9 do not apply to any of the following:
    (a) A police or correctional agency of the United States or of this state or any subdivision of this state.
    (b) The United States army, air force, navy, or marine corps.
    (c) An organization authorized by law to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from this state.
    (d) The national guard, armed forces reserves, or other duly authorized military organization.
    (e) A member of an entity or organization described in subdivisions (a) to (d) for a pistol while engaged in the course of his
    or her duties with that entity or while going to or returning from those duties.
    (f) A United States citizen holding a license to carry a pistol concealed upon his or her person issued by another state.
    (g) The regular and ordinary transportation of a pistol as merchandise by an authorized agent of a person licensed to manufacture
    firearms or a licensed dealer.
    (h) Purchasing, owning, carrying, possessing, using, or transporting an antique firearm. As used in this subdivision, “antique
    firearm” means that term as defined in section 231a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.231a.
    (i) An individual carrying, possessing, using, or transporting a pistol belonging to another individual, if the other individual’s
    pistol is properly licensed and inspected under this act and the individual carrying, possessing, using, or transporting the pistol
    has obtained a license under section 5b to carry a concealed pistol.
    (2) The amendatory act that added subdivision (h) shall be known and may be cited as the “Janet Kukuk act”.

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    well, at least we don't have to do your homework for you
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    Now that's an idea, that would certainly give the LEO's a headach. Everyone buy a replica black powder pistol, and OC that.

    Officer Friendly: "Ok everyone, where's your green cards for those pistols?"

    BP OCer: "Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards. I don't have to show you any stinking green cards."

    I have been waiting so long to use that line. I can hardly wait.


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    ooh, that does sound fun.
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    Big Gay Al wrote:
    Now that's an idea, that would certainly give the LEO's a headach. Everyone buy a replica black powder pistol, and OC that.

    Officer Friendly: "Ok everyone, where's your green cards for those pistols?"

    BP OCer: "Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards. I don't have to show you any stinking green cards."

    I have been waiting so long to use that line. I can hardly wait.

    Somebody did just that at Hasting's. It was her husband's.

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    ghostrider wrote:
    Big Gay Al wrote:
    Now that's an idea, that would certainly give the LEO's a headach. Everyone buy a replica black powder pistol, and OC that.

    Officer Friendly: "Ok everyone, where's your green cards for those pistols?"

    BP OCer: "Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards. I don't have to show you any stinking green cards."

    I have been waiting so long to use that line. I can hardly wait.

    Somebody did just that at Hasting's. It was her husband's.
    Ok, but was it loaded?

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    Ok, but was it loaded?

    Uh, Al..... it was a replica... duh! That means it don't shoot nothing.

    ( just doing a jab Al...) It would be funny to have a walk with a bunch of "non-firearms" and see the response.

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    Ok, but was it loaded?

    Uh, Al..... it was a replica... duh! That means it don't shoot nothing.

    ( just doing a jab Al...) It would be funny to have a walk with a bunch of "non-firearms" and see the response.
    Um, there are at least 2 definitions of replica. I happen to have a replica of the 1860 Remington .36 cap and ball revolver. It shoots lead balls powered by black powder.

    § 750.231a Exceptions to § 750.227(2); definitions

    (i) A firearm not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica of such a firearm, whether actually manufactured before or after 1898.
    I know that when used in conjunction with modern firearms, "replica" usually refers to non-firing examples (typically made of well below standard metals). But for black powder firearms, it usually refers to firing examples made more "recently." That's why I asked if it was loaded.

    In reviewing some of the other articles, I did see where someone carried a non-functional antique 2-shot derringer. But that made no mention of it being a replica.
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    Big Gay Al wrote:
    ghostrider wrote:
    Big Gay Al wrote:
    Now that's an idea, that would certainly give the LEO's a headach. Everyone buy a replica black powder pistol, and OC that.

    Officer Friendly: "Ok everyone, where's your green cards for those pistols?"

    BP OCer: "Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards. I don't have to show you any stinking green cards."

    I have been waiting so long to use that line. I can hardly wait.

    Somebody did just that at Hasting's. It was her husband's.
    Ok, but was it loaded?
    No firing pin or cap, she told me. Don't know if it was loaded.

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    ghostrider wrote:
    Big Gay Al wrote:
    ghostrider wrote:
    Big Gay Al wrote:
    Now that's an idea, that would certainly give the LEO's a headach. Everyone buy a replica black powder pistol, and OC that.

    Officer Friendly: "Ok everyone, where's your green cards for those pistols?"

    BP OCer: "Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards. I don't have to show you any stinking green cards."

    I have been waiting so long to use that line. I can hardly wait.

    Somebody did just that at Hasting's. It was her husband's.
    Ok, but was it loaded?
    No firing pin or cap, she told me. Don't know if it was loaded.
    No firing pin? Must be broken. And if there was no cap, it's a good as not being loaded. Too bad.

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    I need to find a good belt holster for mine, then I can start packing mine.
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    Big Gay Al wrote:
    ghostrider wrote:
    Big Gay Al wrote:
    ghostrider wrote:
    Big Gay Al wrote:
    Now that's an idea, that would certainly give the LEO's a headach. Everyone buy a replica black powder pistol, and OC that.

    Officer Friendly: "Ok everyone, where's your green cards for those pistols?"

    BP OCer: "Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards. I don't have to show you any stinking green cards."

    I have been waiting so long to use that line. I can hardly wait.

    Somebody did just that at Hasting's. It was her husband's.
    Ok, but was it loaded?
    No firing pin or cap, she told me. Don't know if it was loaded.
    No firing pin? Must be broken. And if there was no cap, it's a good as not being loaded. Too bad.
    That's what she told me. Not really sure if there is a firing pin (don't think she thinks that either).

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    ghostrider wrote:
    That's what she told me. Not really sure if there is a firing pin (don't think she thinks that either).
    Actually, most cap and ball pistols don't have a firing pin, just a hammer. But not having a cap, is like not having a primer in a cartridge.
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    I know the difference Al, I was just taking a jab at ya for some fun. GOTTCHA! :celebrate

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    I know the difference Al, I was just taking a jab at ya for some fun. GOTTCHA! :celebrate
    Keep that up, I'll make you an honorary Pink Pistol.

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    I would consider Honorary, but I'm afraid I could never own a pink pistol. Alos I have beencalled a smarta$$ (many times), of course my usual response is; Yes it is. It's been behind me for over 50yrs and never got lost.

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    WARCHILD wrote:
    I would consider Honorary, but I'm afraid I could never own a pink pistol. Alos I have beencalled a smarta$$ (many times), of course my usual response is; Yes it is. It's been behind me for over 50yrs and never got lost.
    Actually, the way the Pink Pistols works, I don't think anyone is "honorary." So far as I know, for what they do, one of the least organized, pro-gun groups in existence. The bane of typical left wing liberals, as it defies your stereotype of most in the LGBT community. And one of the few "semi-organized" groups that doesn't charge any kind of dues.

    And of course, in spite of it's name, you don't have to be Gay to belong. Just, LGBT friendly. Or at least willing to put up with gun owners who are, shall we say, "different."

    FYI, the founder describes the Pink Pistols as being for the Lesbian, Gay, Bi-Sexual, Transgender, Polyamarous, and BDSM (also known as "kink") As well as those friendly to the above types. Essentially, the idea behind the Pink Pistols, is to be a friendly atmosphere for ANYONE who is into shooting sports and lawful self-defense, regardless their bedroom preferences, or how they dress, for that matter.

    As much as I've always believed we shouldn't legislate what people do in the privacy of the own home, among consenting adults, my basic attitude has always been, the enemy of my enemy, is my friend. And as long as what goes on in someone's bedroom is between 2 (or more) consenting adults, it doesn't involve me in the slightest, and it's really none of my business.

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