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    Went to Jays in Clare. went in to exchange holster, asked about open carry. because their sign says all weapons need to be checked in and tagged, ccw has exception as long as its concealed. They said unloaded if open carry and tagged, If they find out your are concealed they Will ask you to unload and tag weapon. But not aloud to open carry loaded.

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    Welcome to OCDO!

    I havent read of any problems in that area. It would be good to know if Mt. Pleasant has an ordinance restricting it. Not that it would matter due to preemption, but would lead us to some insite as to whether there would be any problems.
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    The only thing I have wondered about is carry on reservation land. I have a child attending CMU so I am up there a number of times per year. I have been too busy (read: LAZY) to check on it yet.

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    67390FE wrote:
    The only thing I have wondered about is carry on reservation land. I have a child attending CMU so I am up there a number of times per year. I have been too busy (read: LAZY) to check on it yet.
    I think Venator would know.

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    I contacted the tribal court, by phone, which referred me to the tribal police. I spoke with Joe who says the tribal police do not know of any tribal law pertaining to the carriage of handguns and that they follow state law. He also stated that weapons are not allowed in the casino, except for law enforcement.
    I'll try to get something official in writing. If I do I'll pass it along

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    67390FE wrote:
    I contacted the tribal court, by phone, which referred me to the tribal police. I spoke with Joe who says the tribal police do not know of any tribal law pertaining to the carriage of handguns and that they follow state law. He also stated that weapons are not allowed in the casino, except for law enforcement.
    I'll try to get something official in writing. If I do I'll pass it along
    I know that the highlighted part is correct. And it sounds like they do whatever the state is doing.
    The only terrorists I see nowadays are at the Capital.


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    Reservations can make up their own laws/rules in regards to firearms (may be federal laws involved). Each one isunique and you should contact the appropriate authority for the reservation you plan on visiting. Some follow state law and some have their own rules. So the action above was spot on, call the PD for the reservation and try to get something in writing, even an email would be helpful.

    I don't think preemption applies to reservations in Michigan (not sure), so they may allow firearms in some places and may not in others. For example a tribal park may ban them, but you might be okay in other areas under the control of the governing tribe.


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    The preemption of local law by state law does not affect tribal courts. Although each tribe is different, it is usually left to to the tribes themselves to decide to which extent they incorporate state law.

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    The only thing I know of is that you can't carry in the college buildings. Being a student at Central, that's extremely annoying, but there isn't much I can do about it right now. I'm interested to know what you find out!

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    It's not all buildings.
    Excerpted from:

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(zamx5ticm0k3uc45423jcx45))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-28-425o

    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation.
    Sec. 5o.
    ...

    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.

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    67390FE wrote:
    It's not all buildings.
    Excerpted from:

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(zam...me=mcl-28-425o

    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation.
    Sec. 5o.
    ...

    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.
    Shutterbug is a student at CMU. Therefore, with the university having strict policies prohibiting weapons (gun) on their property by students, all buildings would be off-limits to him even with a CPL. Unless, of course, he's not worried about expulsion.

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    I agree completely Springer. There are rules for the students and staff at CMU that are distinctly different than what is legal for the rest of Michigan citizenry.

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    The only thing I have wondered about is carry on reservation land. I have a child attending CMU so I am up there a number of times per year. I have been too busy (read: LAZY) to check on it yet.
    I'm glad you posted this comment. I travel often through Mt. Pleasant on M-20 and therefore, through the reservation. For the first time last week I wondered what the reservation laws were concerning the transportation of firearms through their land. I have a CPL and often CC while traveling. I know the reservations are considered to be sovereign nations and therefore exempt from state laws. You've raised an excellent question.

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    Went to local sheriff station, talked to Sgt Heugel. He said yes we can open carry but really concerned that oc law biding citizen could put themselves in a bad position. Very surprised that know one has called it in,that a person is carrying a gun in our local stores. JUST BE CAREFUL HE SAID.

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    dreamer669 wrote:
    Went to local sheriff station, talked to Sgt Heugel. He said yes we can open carry but really concerned that oc law biding citizen could put themselves in a bad position. Very surprised that know one has called it in,that a person is carrying a gun in our local stores. JUST BE CAREFUL HE SAID.
    I suspect the Sgt. is referring to "gun grabs", nevertheless, it's good news.

    Good job Dreamer.

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    I was a student at Central Michigan University back in the early seventies. At the time there were restrictions about students keeping firearms in their dorm rooms.

    I lived on campus my first two years. No one gave us any trouble about having rifles, shotguns, or pistols in our rooms though we went out of our way to keep quiet about this infraction.

    There were more problems with student drinking or smoking marijuana in the dorms. Often the smoke was so thick and it was darn near impossible for us not to get a second hand high. Little was said or done about drugs so we figured that if any people took issue with our firearms that we would ask them to stop smoking pot.

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    67390FE wrote:
    It's not all buildings.
    Excerpted from:

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(zam...me=mcl-28-425o

    28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsection (1); violation.
    Sec. 5o.
    ...

    (h) A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university.
    Shutterbug is a student at CMU.Â* Therefore, with the university having strict policies prohibiting weapons (gun) on their property by students, all buildings would be off-limits to him even with a CPL.Â* Unless, of course, he's not worried about expulsion.
    You are quite right, Springer. Even if a student is over the age of 21 and has a CPL, it is still forbidden to have any sort of weapon (firearm, knife, bow & arrow) in the dormitories, even though the dorm is considered a student's residence.

    I haven't yet checked the university's policies on off-campus students carrying in places such as the University Center or the Library, which aren't considered residence halls or classroom buildings, and are therefore exempt from the aforementioned concealed carry restrictions.

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    But of course, as a student, I can't have one on campus. Period. Hooray for student handbooks...

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    ShutterBug357 wrote:
    But of course, as a student, I can't have one on campus. Period. Hooray for student handbooks...
    In pertinent part:

    No person shall possess, discharge or otherwise use any weapon on any property owned, leased or otherwise controlled by the University. This prohibition applies regardless of whether the individual has a concealed weapon permit or is otherwise authorized by law to possess, discharge or use any such device. Exceptions to this prohibition are listed below.

    Link: Policy

    Yup!!That policy would also includethe parking facilities that may or may not be on campus. :?

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