How to convince employer to allow carrying? Currently prohibited

I'm guessing that if you argue for CC at work that you are going to be fighting a losing battle. From the employers standpoint, they are unlikely to be held legally responsible for someone barging in with a gun and shooting up the place, especially given that they have security in place which a BG is going to have to neutralize or circumvent to obtain access.

I think the better argument (yes on some things I am an incrementalist and on most things a pragmatist) is to argue for a firearm check in at the security gate. There is nothing in place now to stop someone to carry up TO the security checkpoint. Anyone could pull up to that checkpoint armed and use a firearm illegally. Allowing employees to carry up to that point and then check their firearm does not change the company liability in that regard at all nor does it pose any increased risk to any other employee or visitor.

You, and I'm sure others, carry a firearm when not at work for personal defense. If not for their employment rules you would carry to and from work for personal protection. If you do not carry to and from work and that 1% chance of you being the victim of a violent crime were to occur the company will certainly incur costs. You will hit the medical insurance hard which could have later repercussions in rates. You will have lost time at work which will cost the company money temporarily replacing you or shifting work loads while an employee short. You could conceivably receive injuries in such a scenario that would cause a disability they would be required to accommodate under the Disability Act which might be costly.

The State of Oregon has seen fit to issue you a concealed carry license/permit. The very fact that such licenses/permits are available indicates that the legislature finds them of value to society and individual citizens. You and other licensees have passed a criminal background check for felonies and misdemeanors and have proven proficiency with your sidearm to be so licensed. You earned your concealed license to protect yourself where legal and their policy denies you the ability to do so off company property on the way to and from work as you have no way to store the firearm prior to entering company property.

Lastly, you respect their private property rights to deny carry on company property. You only ask that they respect your right to carry the means of self-defense on the way to and from company property and accommodate that right with a means to secure your firearms in a mutually acceptable, safe manner prior to entering upon their private property.

Just my thoughts from a practical stand point rather than from a "rights" or idealistic standpoint.

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Concealed is concealed is concealed. You aren't breaking the law while carrying, what your employer doesn't know can't hurt them. If you ever have to use it the reason will be more important than your job.

Don't ask them about it, just gives them reason to scrutinize everything you do.

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Good points, ScottyT. Now that I've asked them about it, I'm afraid my company has me under closer scrutiny, and may decide on a "random" search of my person one of these days, so I won't risk bringing it in to work.

While I'll grant there is always achance that a wacked-out employee or someone pissed at the company will come into my workplaceand start shooting people (There is NOTHING to stop them except a little security "cattle gate", easy to push through or step over),I believe it's relativelysafe for me to be unarmed as a individual at my work.

I'm about as far from an entrance as I can get, there's multiple escape routes in different directions, lots of cube walls for concealment, and plenty of other cannon fodder available. I believe I would at least make an attempt to get a look at the shooter if I could keep escape routes available.

Because if a workplace shooting WERE to ever happen here, I would make sure to make it publicly known to all media that I had a direct line of sight and could have stopped the shooter if the asinine company policy had not disarmed me, and that I would hope victims would hold the company liable for A) Not taking proper security measures to prevent it, and B) Disarming those of us who would be responsible for protecting ourselves and others.

I have a hunch (after some "between the lines" wink-wink nudge-nudgeconversations) that one of my co-workers DOES carry concealed at work. Perhaps I'll make a beeline for his cubicle if the SHTF.

If I worked a more common job like Mini-Mart cashier or delivery driver, screw company policy, I'm going to carry. But where I'm at, I honestly believe my odds of being discovered and lose a great job far outweigh the chance I'll get myself shot.

...Orygunner...

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I would update my resume and send it out. Go to a few interviews. If the boss asks why tell him and see what he can do for you.

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Where do they get off thinking they can search your person?

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And they can't search your car even when on company property. How are they going to do that? ... How would they stop you from just driving away?

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I work for a company whose employee conduct regulations prohibit carrying any kind of firearms onto any company property! Technically even having a weapon locked in the trunk of my car would be an offense if they own the parking lot (don't think they do).

I am in Washington and the state allows open carry and CC with a permit.

Has anyone had luck convincing their employers to change such policies? What's the right way to go about doing it?

I heard that there was a ruckus in the HR department because of an email I sent earlier asking about these regulations, and specifically asking whether I can keep my gun in employee lockers. Because of this I don't think they are very friendly to guns. Nevertheless, I would like to try to ask for the regulations to be changed.

Any advice? They say it's for employee safety, but of course that's nonsense. Bad guys will CC anyway if they are going to commit a crime, so the policy just hurts us good guys.

I think the company might employ armed security guards, though. That would be a contradiction of their regulations; does anyone think that is leverage to get the rules changed? It's not likely to do much good, but I could force them to visit the issue by filing a complaint about the security guard, alleging a violation of the conduct regulations. Then while they are considering the issue perhaps I can get them to drop the regulation entirely?

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Suggest strongly to them that if you are hurt or injured while going to/from or while at work in a situation that a defensive tool like a handgun would have been benefitial that you and your family members or your survivors WILL be naming the company as a defendant since they have prohibited you from having the legal tools available and at your disposal. The blanket ban including your vehicle DOES affect you in more locales that JUST the work location....

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