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    I have been considering moving OUT of California. I have lived here for 36 years, which makes me a "native Californian" because anyone who has lived here more than 20 years is practically an original settler!

    So, all other things being equal, in that I can find work anywhere, and I have no kids, no educational requirements and no ex-wives to avoid, I have concluded that the one deciding factor as to where to move will be the GUN LAWS.

    I want to move to a place where I can legally own a pistol that shoots more than ten rounds. I want to move to a place where I can buy ten handguns, four rifles and a half-dozen shotguns if I can afford it, just because I think they're marvelous examples of fine American craftsmanship, and I want to take them home with me right away.

    I want to find a place where I can legally open carry and CONCEALED carry without fear of being thrown into jail overnight just because a cop knows he is not accountable for the inconvenience he will cause me. (Ask bobbarker about this one.)

    I want to move to a place where if I want to buy a machine gun just because I am an American, I can do so without Janet Reno showing up at my door.

    I want to live in a place where, in the unlikely event that someone assaults me with a knife or a bat or a crowbar, I can legally draw and drop him in his tracks after he ignores my warning to cease his agression. I don't want to run away. I don't want to comply with the demands of a criminal, and I don't want to be prosecuted by the D.A. for defending my life.

    My mom and sister visited Birmingham Alabama a while ago. I have to laugh, because she asked an older black gentleman, "Is this a safe neighborhood?" He smiled and said, "Yes ma'am. You are certainly safe here. I am armed. (shows his holster under his jacket) Everyone is armed. Even the waitress who is serving you is armed..."


    So tell me, America. WHERE should I start looking for a new home?


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    gravedigger wrote:
    I have been considering moving OUT of California. I have lived here for 36 years, which makes me a "native Californian" because anyone who has lived here more than 20 years is practically an original settler!

    So, all other things being equal, in that I can find work anywhere, and I have no kids, no educational requirements and no ex-wives to avoid, I have concluded that the one deciding factor as to where to move will be the GUN LAWS.

    I want to move to a place where I can legally own a pistol that shoots more than ten rounds. I want to move to a place where I can buy ten handguns, four rifles and a half-dozen shotguns if I can afford it, just because I think they're marvelous examples of fine American craftsmanship, and I want to take them home with me right away.

    I want to find a place where I can legally open carry and CONCEALED carry without fear of being thrown into jail overnight just because a cop knows he is not accountable for the inconvenience he will cause me. (Ask bobbarker about this one.)

    I want to move to a place where if I want to buy a machine gun just because I am an American, I can do so without Janet Reno showing up at my door.

    I want to live in a place where, in the unlikely event that someone assaults me with a knife or a bat or a crowbar, I can legally draw and drop him in his tracks after he ignores my warning to cease his agression. I don't want to run away. I don't want to comply with the demands of a criminal, and I don't want to be prosecuted by the D.A. for defending my life.

    My mom and sister visited Birmingham Alabama a while ago. I have to laugh, because she asked an older black gentleman, "Is this a safe neighborhood?" He smiled and said, "Yes ma'am. You are certainly safe here. I am armed. (shows his holster under his jacket) Everyone is armed. Even the waitress who is serving you is armed..."


    So tell me, America. WHERE should I start looking for a new home?


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    Oregon, has very good gun laws, best in the nation if you reside there. You can also open carry any blade, knife, or switchblade statewide. Fully class 3 and no other restrictions.

    New Hampshire, is excellent on guns, no so great on knives, no income tax, no sales tax, very high quality of life, strong (not strong enough) libertarian culture.

    Oregon and New Hampshire would be my first choice I also found Virginia to be very nice, but they are high taxed and expensive. Their gun laws are decent, but not great. They are a lot better than they were 4 years ago.



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    Alaska and Vermont have good gun laws by the standards of no permit required of CC or OC.

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    Jared wrote:
    gravedigger wrote:
    I have been considering moving OUT of California. I have lived here for 36 years, which makes me a "native Californian" because anyone who has lived here more than 20 years is practically an original settler!

    So, all other things being equal, in that I can find work anywhere, and I have no kids, no educational requirements and no ex-wives to avoid, I have concluded that the one deciding factor as to where to move will be the GUN LAWS.

    I want to move to a place where I can legally own a pistol that shoots more than ten rounds. I want to move to a place where I can buy ten handguns, four rifles and a half-dozen shotguns if I can afford it, just because I think they're marvelous examples of fine American craftsmanship, and I want to take them home with me right away.

    I want to find a place where I can legally open carry and CONCEALED carry without fear of being thrown into jail overnight just because a cop knows he is not accountable for the inconvenience he will cause me. (Ask bobbarker about this one.)

    I want to move to a place where if I want to buy a machine gun just because I am an American, I can do so without Janet Reno showing up at my door.

    I want to live in a place where, in the unlikely event that someone assaults me with a knife or a bat or a crowbar, I can legally draw and drop him in his tracks after he ignores my warning to cease his agression. I don't want to run away. I don't want to comply with the demands of a criminal, and I don't want to be prosecuted by the D.A. for defending my life.

    My mom and sister visited Birmingham Alabama a while ago. I have to laugh, because she asked an older black gentleman, "Is this a safe neighborhood?" He smiled and said, "Yes ma'am. You are certainly safe here. I am armed. (shows his holster under his jacket) Everyone is armed. Even the waitress who is serving you is armed..."


    So tell me, America. WHERE should I start looking for a new home?


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    Oregon, has very good gun laws, best in the nation if you reside there. You can also open carry any blade, knife, or switchblade statewide. Fully class 3 and no other restrictions.

    New Hampshire, is excellent on guns, no so great on knives, no income tax, no sales tax, very high quality of life, strong (not strong enough) libertarian culture.

    Oregon and New Hampshire would be my first choice I also found Virginia to be very nice, but they are high taxed and expensive. Their gun laws are decent, but not great. They are a lot better than they were 4 years ago.

    Virginia tax rates are among the lowest in the country. However, if you're talking about real estate taxes, then that completely depends upon where you live.. just like anyplace else. Our gun laws are also among the best and we are known as being a very gun-friendly state.

    Vermont and Alaska have the most lenient gun laws, but they also have cold climates, which may be a consideration. What about Arizona? Close to California, yet gun-friendly.


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    Colorado!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except Denver...stay away from Denver.

    Aside from the aforementioned cesspool, Colorado follows federal gun laws and really has no "state gun laws", except the non-resident out of state CCW permits, and not being allowed to carry on a snowmobile :quirky. Aside from that, OC and CC are extremely common, clean air, mountain living or the wide open plains if that's yer fancy. Plenty of gold still awaits in dem dar hills, folks are downright nice, and it seems the ladies are better "equipped"...must be the thin air....

    Oh, and golf balls fly further...can't forget that.

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    C'mon up to north Idaho. You can probably find a decent gig in Spokane, Washington, 20 miles west of here. Heck I'll even sell you a house. We have brand new homes in the $160k range here, low cost of living and are a very gun friendly state. That and the gin clear trout streams, mountains, clean air, low crime and four fantastic seasons.

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    Well, I'd have to say you should consider Middle Tennessee (outside Nashville Metro area). Shall issue permit for open or concealed, and the LEO's seem to be pretty well versed on gun rights. Pretty solid local gun culture, as well. There are some places where carry is off limits that I don't like, but we are working to change that. Most significant is you cannot carry into a place that sells alcohol for on-site consumption (including restaurants) or into any parks or recreation areas.

    Housing values are stable and reasonable, and property taxes are low. Property taxes vary widely from county to county, though. For example, I own a 2500sq ft on 1/2 acre in a small town, value around 225k, annual taxes around $1200. Same house one county over would be about 600k with 5k in taxes.

    No state income tax, though the sales tax is pretty steep. 7% state, plus county and town local option. Generally the total is around 9%. All sales tax is a fed tax deduction (credit? I don't recall at the moment), though. As long as you aren't in a state that has both, it's a wash.

    Unemployment is low, and there are lots of companies relocating to the area. Mostly tech sector and logistics. Three different interstates meet in Nashville, and it's a days drive to about 2/3 of the country. Traffic gets interesting at times, but if you are from the place "where insanity meets the sea" ( Drew Hastings, comedian) the traffic will seem light to you.

    Wages are high here compared to cost of living. When I moved here in 2004 from SE Pennsylvania, cost of living was about 30% less, and my wage was about 20% higher and my wifes' was almost 50% higher.

    Large military presence in the area, from Ft Campbell just north of Nashville to Arnold AFB south.

    About 8 hrs by car to the Gulf Coast, 4-6 hrs to the Smokey Mountains, good hunting and fishing, and some of the nicest, friendliest, politest people I have been around. As I said, I moved here from PA, and was startled by all the people that would wave, smile or say hi walking down the street.



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    Move just over 'the hill' to Nevada. OC is legal, CC permit is easy to get; civil suits by criminals limited by statute; we have the equivelent of the Castle doctrine by statute. There's lots to see and do here in the Reno/CC/Gardnerville area. Oh, and no state income tax!

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    Arizona pard! No snow down south... OC legal... CCW easy to obtain. Stay outta the cities 'n the real estate is cheap compared to anywhere else... 'Don't need standard sticks 'n bricks... Don't need that. Nice dubbelwides can be had for around $130K on an acre or more. Look on-line... get photo's of properties for sale. Found this one that way 5 years ago. Even got a 13K gallon in-ground pool... fenced, landscaped... 3 bdrm, 2 bath... covered porch 'n patio... 2 car garage... 3 unit covered car port, walled back yard, producing fruit trees, 6 largepalms... 16 sagueros 'n other cacti... storage shed, work shed (block built) paved drive, patio... LP gas... own aqufer... (great water!) $170K 15 miles from the closest stop light. First sign I see on the paved road is 'Open Range'. Cowboy country! You'll need a truck or SUV tho... Even if just to load the groceries in.

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    I'm not to come to AZ (I live here) are traffic is getting too bad already lol .

    I would say, AZ, NV, or WA

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    El Paso County, Colorado.
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    Colorado is good, and if you move to Denver (I wouldn't) you will have a lot of Native Californians to keep you company.

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    Wyoming, (no state income tax) Colorado, Montana, or Idaho. All great places to live with great folks and VERY 2nd ammendment friendly.

    I was born and raised in Kalifornia and lived there for 46 years before I retired and moved to Wyoming. No better place to live! I chose Wyoming over the others I mentioned because of the no state income tax which is a good thing for a retiree but I'd have no problem living in the other statesI mentioned.(exceptthe I-25 corridorfrom Colorado Springsto Fort Collins)The only downside is the long, cold, winters but no place is perfect. Besides, you get used to it.
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    this site is pretty handy but it doesn't take gun laws into account

    www.findyourspot.com

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    Move to Utah!

    Beautiful wilderness, one of the country's strongest economies, booming urban areas, low cost of living, etc...

    I love it here! :celebrate

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    come here!

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    SouthernBoy wrote:

    Virginia tax rates are among the lowest in the country. However, if you're talking about real estate taxes, then that completely depends upon where you live.. just like anyplace else. Our gun laws are also among the best and we are known as being a very gun-friendly state.

    Vermont and Alaska have the most lenient gun laws, but they also have cold climates, which may be a consideration. What about Arizona? Close to California, yet gun-friendly.

    Virginia is my favorite place. I lived in Reston for 5 months, it was the best 5 months of my life.

    Northern Virginia does have very high taxes, the rest of the state may be much lower.

    Virginia does not have good self defense laws.

    Virginia is not a bad state on guns but they get an inflated grade because of the open carry movement.

    I like open carry but it sucks that it's mandated in almost every restaurant. Most states are not like this. Virginia has quite a few places off limits to carry (not as bad as Tennessee or the Carolinas).

    They are not fully class 3 either. Automatic shotguns are banned.

    Putting gun laws aside, if I'd live anywhere it would be Northern Virginia. Maybe this will change one day, but not anytime soon

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    How on earth do you land in a situation like this???

    I must be doing something really wrong...

    A few things must be taken into account here...

    I have no problem living in the middle of no where, closest neighbors a good 5 or 10 miles away are ok. I like the beach but not as much as I like the mountains. So a very very close second would be Wilmington NC. Although not the greatest with the gun laws and pretty much a nanny state, its still gorgous.

    My number 1 place to live in the US would have to be Montana. Anywhere in Montana, but preferably somewhere that I needed a helicopter with pontoons to reach it. I always liked the set up Stringfellow Hawk had.

    Now if I could live anywhere in the world...

    Southern Switzerland. Reasons are endless...

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    So,gravedigger, I think the common thread is that almost any state is better than where you're at now

    Oregon's great, you canOC in just about 99% of the state, and if you get a CHL, it takes it up to 99.9% (only federal facilities and some court facilities are banned to firearms if you have a CHL). We also have NO Sales Tax (yeah, but income taxes kinda suck) and you can't pump your own gas here.

    However, you can only move to Oregon if you leave all the California behind you. (For example, please don't bring any California Driving, California Gang Members, Bad California Ideas, or California Mentality )

    ...OK, you can bring some California wine if it's good quality :celebrate...
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    gravedigger wrote:
    I have been considering moving OUT of California. I have lived here for 36 years, which makes me a "native Californian" because anyone who has lived here more than 20 years is practically an original settler!

    So, all other things being equal, in that I can find work anywhere, and I have no kids, no educational requirements and no ex-wives to avoid, I have concluded that the one deciding factor as to where to move will be the GUN LAWS.

    I want to move to a place where I can legally own a pistol that shoots more than ten rounds. I want to move to a place where I can buy ten handguns, four rifles and a half-dozen shotguns if I can afford it, just because I think they're marvelous examples of fine American craftsmanship, and I want to take them home with me right away.

    I want to find a place where I can legally open carry and CONCEALED carry without fear of being thrown into jail overnight just because a cop knows he is not accountable for the inconvenience he will cause me. (Ask bobbarker about this one.)

    I want to move to a place where if I want to buy a machine gun just because I am an American, I can do so without Janet Reno showing up at my door.

    I want to live in a place where, in the unlikely event that someone assaults me with a knife or a bat or a crowbar, I can legally draw and drop him in his tracks after he ignores my warning to cease his agression. I don't want to run away. I don't want to comply with the demands of a criminal, and I don't want to be prosecuted by the D.A. for defending my life.

    My mom and sister visited Birmingham Alabama a while ago. I have to laugh, because she asked an older black gentleman, "Is this a safe neighborhood?" He smiled and said, "Yes ma'am. You are certainly safe here. I am armed. (shows his holster under his jacket) Everyone is armed. Even the waitress who is serving you is armed..."


    So tell me, America. WHERE should I start looking for a new home?


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    Gravedigger, Michigan is not a bad place to be in terms of gun laws (CC or OC), providing of course, you are not required to work for a living. :?

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    I am carefully studying ALL of your responses! I'll get into it in more detail in a while, but for now ...

    I am of the belief that if a person is an honest law-abiding citizen with the usual "good guy" credentials; no criminal record, no mental illness, yadda yadda ... (admittedly difficult to find in California) he or she should be trusted to carry a loaded weapon open OR concealed just about anywhere without restrictions. The law would never have to worry about me robbing a convenience store, or blasting away at some jerk who doesn't know how to use his turn signals. I just don't need that sort of drama in my life.

    I can understand not allowing them in courthouses and government buildings like the DMV and the post office and such, but restaurants? Come on! Haven't they heard about the McDonalds Massacre at San Ysidro? If I can't carry in a restaurant, the state falls lower on my Excel analytical spreadsheet!

    It isn't that I WILL OC or CC on a regular basis. I just want that option. I want the option, because it tells the "bad guys" that I might be packing, and that alone will make it far less likely that I will be the target of a criminal. An armed society IS a polite society, after all!

    I'm only 50 now, but age has taken its toll already. The bad knees make running away from a threat nearly impossible. The bad back makes duking it out with Rocky's drunk, drugged up younger brother unappealing. The finances make the willful reception of a long hospital stay or a permanent crippling injury insurmountable.

    I'm the kind of guy who thinks, I'll treat you with respect and honor regardless of your age, race, religion, ethnicity or social status, as long as you respond in kind. I judge a person by their character.

    There is another factor in this decision. My dear aging mother (PLEASE don't tell her I used the word "aging!") lives here also. If I move, she would move to wherever I am. We have almost no family, so if I leave, she would be left here alone. She needs to be within a reasonable distance of a quality medical center, so we can't buy homes out in the boonies, where it would be a 50 mile ride to the medical center for her various ongoing issues.

    Please keep the responses coming. It is VERY encouraging to read your responses after living here in California, where you have a very good chance of being sentenced to a long prison term for shooting someone who is attacking you with a machete or for some similar defense of your life.

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    Might as well come to Arizona with the rest of 'em.....


    We've got it pretty good. The restaurant with alcohol thing is a bit of a downer, but on the other hand, OC is so common here that I would rate us higher than some other states with possibly better laws, but more real-life hassling from LE.

    Obviously, the senior care system is running like a well-oiled machine in AZ, as well. We have no shortage of retirees!

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    I would not recommend Arizona. It's like SoCal without the water.

    Places I would recommend:

    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    Boise or Idaho Falls, Idaho

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    Go to Alaska or Vermont for the best luck with concealed carry.

    If having to have a permit for concealed carry (which isshall-issue)is okay with you, coming directly east to Nevada is pretty good.

    NFA is okay, open carry is great, no rules on mags or numbers of guns.

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    Honestly, my favorite state isNew Mexico. But it's incredibly difficult to make a living there. Lowest wages in the country. That's why I settled on AZ. But I may some daygo for Oregon, however that's just me.

    Honestly, I don't think gun laws need to be your biggest concern. There are a bunch of freedom friendly states. They have different climates, different scenery,and different types of people. I'dmake a list of good freedom loving states, and chose from those based on a list of factorsthat goes beyond weapon laws.
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