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    peter nap wrote:
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    Dear Fellow Republican:

    In this issue:


    I guess he doesn't want my vote if I'm not a Republican?


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    ccunning wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
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    Dear Fellow Republican:

    In this issue:


    I guess he doesn't want my vote if I'm not a Republican?
    That's fine! Maybe Doug Wilder will run again so you'll have someone to vote for.

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    peter nap wrote:
    ccunning wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
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    Dear Fellow Republican:

    In this issue:


    I guess he doesn't want my vote if I'm not a Republican?
    That's fine! Maybe Doug Wilder will run again so you'll have someone to vote for.
    Wow. Way to expand your base there killer. With only 32% of nationally registered voters professing the moniker and Virginia turning bluer by the day I guess I thought Republicans would be more inclusive.


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    ccunning wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    ccunning wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    http://news.oldva.org/?p=139

    Dear Fellow Republican:

    In this issue:


    I guess he doesn't want my vote if I'm not a Republican?
    That's fine! Maybe Doug Wilder will run again so you'll have someone to vote for.
    Wow. Way to expand your base there killer. With only 32% of nationally registered voters professing the moniker and Virginia turning bluer by the day I guess I thought Republicans would be more inclusive.
    I posted the link, I didn't invite you to join a club, Slick..... Vote whatever party you want.

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    ccunning wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
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    Dear Fellow Republican:

    In this issue:


    I guess he doesn't want my vote if I'm not a Republican?
    Looks like a copy of a red meat fundraiser letter to known partisans. I wouldn't take it as not wanting to get your vote.

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    Perhaps someone can help me out here.

    This has what, exactly, to do with open carry, RKBA or anything whatever related to firearms?

    I'm not appointing myself a mod or anything, I just thought this forum was oriented towards those topics.

    regards,

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    Well towards the end of the blogpost Cuchinelli gets into his attitude on firearms, which is pretty progun.
    What a Difference a Century Makes!
    Factoids from a recent email that I received from the year 1907:

    The average life expectancy in the U.S. Was 47 years old.

    Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.
    A three-minute call from Denver to New York City cost eleven dollars.
    There were only 8,000 cars in the US., and only 144 miles of paved roads.

    Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa, and Tennessee were each more heavily populated than California
    The average U.S. worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

    A competent accountant could expect to earn $2,000 per year, a dentist made $2,500 per year,
    a veterinarian $1,500 per year, and a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.
    More than 95 percent of all births in the U.S. took place at home.
    Ninety percent of all U.S. doctors had no college education. Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and the government as “substandard.”
    Eggs were fourteen cents a dozen.
    Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used borax or egg yolks for shampoo.
    Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering into their country for any reason.
    Five leading causes of death in the U.S. were:
    1. Pneumonia and influenza
    2. Tuberculosis
    3. Diarrhea
    4. Heart disease
    5. Stroke
    The American flag had 45 stars.
    Arizona, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Hawaii, and Alaska hadn’t been admitted to the Union yet.
    The population of Las Vegas, Nevada, was only 30!
    Crossword puzzles, canned beer, and ice tea hadn’t been invented yet [I’m glad I waited…].
    2 out of every 10 U.S. adults couldn’t read or write [it is my understanding that this figure is 4 out of 10 in Petersburg, Va. in 2008].
    Only 6 percent of all Americans had graduated from high school.
    Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said, “Heroin clears the complexion, gives buoyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and bowels, and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health.”
    There were about 230 reported murders in the entire U.S.A.!

    [I would note re the last statistic, that I think it’s very, very safe to say that there were many, many more guns per capita in America in 1907, yet the number of murders was a tiny fraction of what it is today. Hmmmm, maybe the guns aren’t actually responsible for all of the firearms murders today… could it be that the murderers themselves are actually responsible? Novel thought.]

    Sincerely,

    Senator Ken Cuccinelli
    Virginia 37th

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    Gentleman Ranker wrote:
    Perhaps someone can help me out here.

    This has what, exactly, to do with open carry, RKBA or anything whatever related to firearms?

    I'm not appointing myself a mod or anything, I just thought this forum was oriented towards those topics.

    regards,

    GR
    He is considered pretty "pro gun," so it behooves us

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    Most pro-RKBA Virginian politician since Dick Black could be asserted. He's definitely our friend.

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    Gentleman Ranker wrote:
    Perhaps someone can help me out here.

    This has what, exactly, to do with open carry, RKBA or anything whatever related to firearms?

    I'm not appointing myself a mod or anything, I just thought this forum was oriented towards those topics.

    regards,

    GR
    I think I can help you understand. Watch the following videos of the Heller party he gave. The first one is VCDL President and then the rest is the Senator. He is a very good friend of the pro gun crowd.

    http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/a...llersmall1.flv
    http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ersmall221.flv
    http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ersmall222.flv
    http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ersmall223.flv
    http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ersmall321.flv
    http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/a...ersmall322.flv

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    Okay, got it now. I guess the thing was that I didn't see anything explicitly RKBA in the OP link.

    One of the problems inherent in our political system is that one tends to get a choice between one of two package deals. I _am_ pro-RKBA and unambiguously so, but I can get run out of a "conservative" political conversation without a lot of trouble if the talk goes in certain directions.

    Further deponent sayeth not.

    regards,

    GR

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    I have no idea if Kuccinelli is pro-OC or not, though he has courted some OC people; he is pro-gun, and thus the favored candidate for those who vote particularly on that issue.

    I disagree with him on many of his social positions and because he chooses to campaign on issues (pro-life, smaller government, anti-tax, etc.) that are not part of the role of the attorney general (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OUR_OFFICE/Role.html).

    From a forum perspective, though, I would prefer campaign literature not be copied here. I would prefer our members talk about pro-OC and pro-RKBA issues, referencing points or websites, but keeping the issue to gun topics.

    Just my $0.02.
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    I apologize if my earlier posts were overly abrasive. I just get frustrated when people pigeon hole this issue as a partisan one. All of my liberal leaning friends are not only pro RKBA, but about half of them have CC permits. On the other hand one of my staunch Republican friends actually works for the Brady Campaign.

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    Tess wrote:
    I have no idea if Kuccinelli is pro-OC or not, though he has courted some OC people; he is pro-gun, and thus the favored candidate for those who vote particularly on that issue.

    I disagree with him on many of his social positions and because he chooses to campaign on issues (pro-life, smaller government, anti-tax, etc. that are not part of the role of the attorney general (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OUR_OFFICE/Role.html).

    From a forum perspective, though, I would prefer campaign literature not be copied here. I would prefer our members talk about pro-OC and pro-RKBA issues, referencing points or websites, but keeping the issue to gun topics.

    Just my $0.02.
    Well Tess, I actually agree 100%.
    I have posted the links to the Compass ever since I was added to the media list. This is the first time it's generated discussion.

    I should have ignored the first poster. I've been working on how to ignore things. It's an acquired art.

    I think posting any links is a technical violation here and that may be the answer. If the Admins prefer that, I of course will comply.

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    Well my 2 cents are that so long as it is directly related to OC and or RKBA, political stuff is OK.

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    ccunning (23 August 2008 Saturday 13:17) notes:

    All of my liberal leaning friends are not only pro RKBA, but about half of them have CC permits. On the other hand one of my staunch Republican friends actually works for the Brady Campaign.
    An observation that IMHO it we would all do well to remember.

    There are certainly tendencies for RKBA advocates to line up on certain sides of the political divide, but RKBA is not fundamentally a "liberal" or "conservative" issue, nor should we let it become one. Individual candidates or officeholders whose views are relevant to us may be liberal or conservative, but IMHO the more we keep things at the grassroots and stay focused on RKBA itself, the better off we will be. As individuals, we of course care about other issues, but those issues have their own place.

    I know better than "can't we all just get along?", but at the same time I think we all know that the more we let other issues into our discussions, the less effective we will be.

    Please note that I am not saying that anyone should or should not do any particular thing, nor that I have any authority whatsoever here. MHO only.

    regards,

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    Gentleman Ranker wrote:
    ccunning (23 August 2008 Saturday 13:17) notes:

    All of my liberal leaning friends are not only pro RKBA, but about half of them have CC permits. On the other hand one of my staunch Republican friends actually works for the Brady Campaign.
    An observation that IMHO it we would all do well to remember.

    There are certainly tendencies for RKBA advocates to line up on certain sides of the political divide, but RKBA is not fundamentally a "liberal" or "conservative" issue, nor should we let it become one. Individual candidates or officeholders whose views are relevant to us may be liberal or conservative, but IMHO the more we keep things at the grassroots and stay focused on RKBA itself, the better off we will be. As individuals, we of course care about other issues, but those issues have their own place.

    I know better than "can't we all just get along?", but at the same time I think we all know that the more we let other issues into our discussions, the less effective we will be.

    Please note that I am not saying that anyone should or should not do any particular thing, nor that I have any authority whatsoever here. MHO only.

    regards,

    GR
    I guess since we're still hashing this out, I'll throw in my 0.02 also.
    I don't vote for a party. If I had to define my party affiliation, it would be an Anarchist. They ain't running though so I can't vote along party lines.

    I have always voted either for the man or more frequently, against the worst of the bad.

    Cuccinelli is different though. While I don't agree with his total platform, I agree with enough of it to vote for him without hesitation. It doesn't matter what party he is in.

    Virginia has always been famous for party swapping. Virgil Goode, whom I would follow to the end of the earth, made the political change. They go with who's doing well that year even though they have their own views on the issues.

    I host the Compass on my site because many of the people who read it, are from very rural Va. They see a Northern Va Candidate and dismiss him as an idiot without looking at the platform. If I saw a headline that said "Senator Stallings Sponsors Aids Research"....I'd assume it was because his husband gave it to him, and not bother reading further.

    I post the links here because even here, as evidenced by the opening salvo, some people are not aware of the very strong support he has given Gun Owners in this state.

    Vote the man, not the party.

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    [font="Times New Roman"][size=3][size=[quote][font="Times New Roman"][size=3]It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

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    peter nap (24 August 2008 Sunday 10:15) says:

    I post the links here because even here, as evidenced by the opening salvo, some people are not aware of the very strong support he has given Gun Owners in this state.
    Just a suggestion, but since there are folks who aren't aware of Sen. Cuccinelli and his positions, posting a few sentences about who he is and why he merits attention along with the link might be helpful. One needn't be on the man's campaign committee to think that he's worth knowing about. Maybe post his NRA grades or something similar to make obvious why he's relevant. Again, just a thought.

    I have always voted either for the man or more frequently, against the worst of the bad.
    No argument with that.

    regards,

    GR

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    Here's a link to Ken on "Project Vote Smart".
    ...and some info regarding his position on Guns. It's near the bottom of the the page on this link.

    2007Based on the votes, committee votes, co-sponsorships and other leadership actions that took place between 2007 the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund assigned Senator Cuccinelli a grade of A. With grades ranging from a high of A+ to a low of F-.

    2004Senator Cuccinelli supported the interests of the Virginia Citizens Defense League 100 percent in 2004.

    2003In a 2003 survey given by Virginia Citizens Defense League to all state legislative candidates, Senator Cuccinelli answered their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

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    I watched and taped with pride as Ken talked down a certain lady at the Centreville Regional Library one fine saturday afternoon, and this particular lady was the spokes person for what was supposed to be a discussion on safety and gun violence at the Westfields Highschool some days later. Ken may not hit all marks for all people, but for VA he's just fine when it comes to your gun rights compared to the rest. That's all I'm going to say about that, lol.

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