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    Hey, I have a twofold question regarding CPL validity after a change of address.

    a.) Is a WA CPL valid after an in-state move where the address has changed? Does the permit holder have any responsibility to update the information within a given time frame?

    b.) Is a WA CPL obtained as a resident of the state valid after a move out of state? Same follow up question regarding the address information.

    I have not found an RCW that relates to this issue, but that does not mean that it does not exist.

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    The King Count Sheriffs office put the wrong city of birth down on my CPL paperwork which I noticed when I finally got the permit.I called Olympia to see if that invalidated the license. When I was on the phone with the licensing dept. I also asked if I moved to a new address would I have to get a whole new license as a result and she said definitely not. I don't have a citation for you, just what the licensing dept. rep. told me.

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    American Rattlesnake wrote:

    b.) Is a WA CPL obtained as a resident of the state valid after a move out of state? Same follow up question regarding the address information.





    If you move out of state, you are no longer a resident (unless of course, active military stationed elsewhere) and would need a non-resident license.
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    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    Hey, I have a twofold question regarding CPL validity after a change of address.

    a.) Is a WA CPL valid after an in-state move where the address has changed? Does the permit holder have any responsibility to update the information within a given time frame?

    b.) Is a WA CPL obtained as a resident of the state valid after a move out of state? Same follow up question regarding the address information.

    I have not found an RCW that relates to this issue, but that does not mean that it does not exist.
    Out of state move would invalidate it as you are no longer a resident and you have a resident permit, not an out of state resident permit..

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    arms_libertas wrote:
    When I was on the phone with the licensing dept. I also asked if I moved to a new address would I have to get a whole new license as a result and she said definitely not. I don't have a citation for you, just what the licensing dept. rep. told me.
    Thanks for the info.

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    j2l3 and Bear,
    What you are saying is logical and makes sense, but do you have a cite? To my knowledge there is no distinction between the resident permit and non resident permit; the only difference being the time span that the issuing authority has to process the application.

    Thanks for the info thus far.

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    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    j2l3 and Bear,
    What you are saying is logical and makes sense, but do you have a cite? To my knowledge there is no distinction between the resident permit and non resident permit; the only difference being the time span that the issuing authority has to process the application.

    Thanks for the info thus far.
    I don't have a cite. Was told this by a deputy friend that doesn't normally say htings he hasn't checked out. He cited no law and there is nothing in the RCW that I can see.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    I don't have a cite. Was told this by a deputy friend that doesn't normally say htings he hasn't checked out. He cited no law and there is nothing in the RCW that I can see.
    Thank you. That point of view makes a lot of sense but I just can not find a section in the RCW to back it up.

    Another scenario that fits in this general scheme of questioning (ETA, we'll call this scenario C for further reference):
    What if a person held an out of state WA CPL that he got while he was living in OR, but then that person moved to NV. Now the address and driver's license information is not correct. Is it still a valid permit?

    This is a really interesting discussion, thanks for the input.

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    I had a so-called "out of state" license and now have an "in state" license. The only difference is the address that is printed on the license, and the amount of time that the sheriff has to issue. Everything else IS THE SAME.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    I don't have a cite. Was told this by a deputy friend that doesn't normally say htings he hasn't checked out. He cited no law and there is nothing in the RCW that I can see.
    Sorry Bear, your friend is wrong.

    There is no difference between a "resident" and "non-resident" CPL. Washington only has ONE type of CPL. The only differences that come into play are for a non-resident they have a longer time they can take to issue it and for a non-US citizen there are some additional steps (which are all moot at this point since alien permits are hung up due to Fed requirements regarding criminal history info).

    Here it is straight from the RCW:

    RCW 9.41.070
    Concealed pistol license — Application — Fee — Renewal.

    (1) The chief of police of a municipality or the sheriff of a county shall within thirty days after the filing of an application of any person, issue a license to such person to carry a pistol concealed on his or her person within this state for five years from date of issue, for the purposes of protection or while engaged in business, sport, or while traveling. However, if the applicant does not have a valid permanent Washington driver's license or Washington state identification card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous consecutive ninety days, the issuing authority shall have up to sixty days after the filing of the application to issue a license. The issuing authority shall not refuse to accept completed applications for concealed pistol licenses during regular business hours.



    Notice it makes no reference to "resident" or "non-resident", only that the time period allowed goes to 90 days if you don't have valid WA ID or have not been a resident for 90 (even if you have gotten WA ID)

    The CPL is valid until it expires or you do something that causes it to be revoked. If you move, naturally you would give them current info on renewal. If you move out of state, when you renew they would have the longer period to renew.

    Unlike some states that do specific "non-resident" permits, you have to apply IN PERSON in WA for both your initial permit and renewals. Many states that do "non-resident" permits do the process through the mail.

    As far as moving, there is no requirement to notify of change of address for your CPL. I believe there is a law that you have to tell DOL within a certain time frame, if you move for your driver's license/ID card and any vehicles you have registered.


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    44Brent wrote:
    I had a so-called "out of state" license and now have an "in state" license. The only difference is the address that is printed on the license, and the amount of time that the sheriff has to issue. Everything else IS THE SAME.
    Did you keep your "out of state" CPL until expiration even after you became a resident and then renew to get the "in state" CPL? Or did you apply for a new CPL soon after establishing residency?


    911Boss wrote:
    There is no difference between a "resident" and "non-resident" CPL.
    As far as moving, there is no requirement to notify of change of address for your CPL.
    That's what I'm seeing as well. That pretty much takes care of scenario A from my original post. Any thoughts on scenarios B and C?


    911Boss wrote:
    I believe there is a law that you have to tell DOL within a certain time frame, if you move for your driver's license/ID card and any vehicles you have registered.
    This I know to be true. Been there, done that several times while I lived in WA.

    Thanks again, guys!

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    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    Any thoughts on scenarios B and C?
    As far as B - It would still be valid in WA, whether it would be valid in another state would depend on their laws. Some states only honor another states permit if the holder is a resident of the issuingstate.

    Same answer as B for C- Would bevalid in WA., would depend on the other state's laws for them to recognize it.

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    Metal_Monkey wrote:
    Not sure if this quite answers your question, but here goes..

    Your CPL must match the address on you Drivers Licence and CPL and must be current(current is not a big issue unless you are involved in a shooting or such). This was told to me by the one of the big wigs at Snohomish county sheriffs office last tuesday.
    They are wrong on both counts.

    Nothing anywhere about change of address in regards to CPL. CPL is issued by PD or Sheriff, but managed/tracked by DOL, as long as your drivers license/ID card is correct, DOL has your address.

    If your CPL is expired, it is EXPIRED period. There is no grace period or extension. While an officer may use his/her discretion on whether or not to cite (just like on a traffic ticket) I certainly wouldn't expect it and take the risk of losing the priviledge of having one by carrying without a CURRENT, valid CPL.

    If it expires, you need to not conceal until it is reissued, and you will pay an addtional fee ($10) for waiting until after it has expired to renew it.

    People need to read the RCW's and/or talk to lawyers instead of taking advice from so called "experts" such as cops, precinct clerks, etc. You can stand in court all day long and say "Ofc So-and-so told me..." but as they say, ignorance is no excuse. Not likely Ofc So-and-so is showing up and will be going to bat for you.

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    i called snohomish co. specifically asking the question on weather the my IN STATE permit was valid after i moved to oregon and they said YES it was valid until it expires, then when i renew it i can change my address to out of state

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    Metal_Monkey wrote:
    Im not talking about expired, just renewal. They just stated that your CPL and Drivers license/ID have to have same address. Thats what I gathered, but as you say you are correct. I am not stating that is law, just what I was told and I havn't been able to find anything otherwise. I have been looking into it, so if anyone knows where this is at, please share.
    My CPL was ISSUED with a different address than my Drivers License has on it.

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    Metal_Monkey wrote:
    Im not talking about expired, just renewal. They just stated that your CPL and Drivers license/ID have to have same address. Thats what I gathered, but as you say you are correct. I am not stating that is law, just what I was told and I havn't been able to find anything otherwise. I have been looking into it, so if anyone knows where this is at, please share.

    Ok, I thought you meant current in regards to expiration, not current address.

    No where to find it. They don't have laws for spelling out what is't required, only have to laws to spell out what is. Since nothing says it has to be kept current, there is no requirement to do so. There IS a law regarding keeping address current for Divers license/ID (RCW 46.20.205). I think thereis one regardingvehicle registrations as well, but couldn't quickly find it.

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    911Boss wrote:
    As far as B - It would still be valid in WA, whether it would be valid in another state would depend on their laws. Some states only honor another states permit if the holder is a resident of the issuingstate.

    Same answer as B for C- Would bevalid in WA., would depend on the other state's laws for them to recognize it.
    These are the sameconclusions I came to, myself, before posting the questions. I wanted to bounce them off the forum to see what kind of responses I would get. Thank you for taking the time to look at the law and think through the issues.

    911Boss wrote:
    CPL is issued by PD or Sheriff, but managed/tracked by DOL, as long as your drivers license/ID card is correct, DOL has your address.
    This seems to me to be a very pertinent point...especially in scenario A where the licensee remains within the state. On the other hand, in the case of a licensee moving out of state, the DOLhas neitherthe address nor the DL number listed on the permit because the licensee has a different DL altogether.

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    People need to read the RCW's and/or talk to lawyers instead of taking advice from so called "experts" such as cops, precinct clerks, etc.
    I agree entirely.

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    icalled snohomish co. specifically asking the question on weather the my IN STATE permit was valid after i moved to oregon and they said YES it was valid until it expires, then when i renew it i can change my address to out of state
    That's very interesting. Scenario B.

    Metal_Monkeywrote:
    I have been looking into it, so if anyone knows where this is at, please share.
    That's part of why I started this thread, so thank you for your input.

    Right Wing Wackowrote:
    My CPL was ISSUED with a different address than my Drivers License has on it.
    Presumably the CPL was issued with your most current address? One that you would have changed your DL address to soon thereafter? I suppose I shouldn't guess, but rather ask you to clarify. :P

    Thanks again, everyone.

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    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    a.) Is a WA CPL valid after an in-state move where the address has changed? Does the permit holder have any responsibility to update the information within a given time frame?
    When I moved from Lakewood to Aberdeen in 2000, I went to the local DOL office and changed my address on my DL, then went to the Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office to do the same for my CPL. After they did some checking, I was told that there was no requirement to change the address on my CPL until I renewed it.

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    I went to our local sheriff's office because my husband lost his CPL and I wanted to change my address and last name since we were married since my CPL was issued, the Sheriff told me there was no need to change the address or my name since it was issued based on my SSN and fingerprints reguardless of what name/address is on the CPL, after seeing this thread, I think I may want a second opinion? I am just careful to carry both my DL showing old and new name-

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    When I moved back to WA from Montana I was also told that I did not need to get a new CPL. I called the licensing division in Olympia for the information.

    Although I didn't need to, I went to my local PD, small town, and they issued me a replacement CPL with my new address on it. I held onto my old one, with the Montana address until I got the new one.

    I just felt better having my CPL match my DL, I figure it was one less thing to be hasseled about just in case I ran into a LEO that wan't sure of the requirements.

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    Well my CPL doesn't match my ID and thanks to slip renumbering at the marina the CPL address doesn't match my physical address which is different from my mailing address at the marina... :P

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    All interesting replies, thank you.

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