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    I have seen it mentioned on here many times that the fact that you have a CHP is attached to your drivers license/vehicle registration.

    I do not believethat this iscorrect information. I would like to correct this once and for all if possible. or at a minimium make this info readily found with the search option.



    It is my understanding that there is nothing attached to your DMV file/record that indicates that you have a CHP.

    it is my understanding that the PO runs your plate with the dmv system and this provides him with the info for the registered owner.

    it is my understanding that the officer then accesses or has someone else, like a dispatcher run that information or the info provided by your drivers license, through a seperate system to see if you have warrants etc. it is when the PO checks this system that the flag for a CHP comes up.

    I am not looking for conjecture I am looking for factual information from those involved with these systems. I realize that different departments may have different procedures for when/how/and what info is disseminated to the officer at a traffic stop. The general info I am looking for should be pretty standardized though.



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    Correct.

    There is no physical link to your DMV file.

    A query of your vehicle brings up the vehicle and then the owners.

    The owners are then automatically acquired against the following...

    CC Permit

    Sex Offender Registry

    Warrant checks - Local, State, National

    Terrorist Watch list

    Warning Tickets

    Police Contacts

    Police Reports

    More depending on the agency and what they want to be checked. Any database they have can be searched and data returned.



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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Correct.

    There is no physical link to your DMV file.

    A query of your vehicle brings up the vehicle and then the owners.

    The owners are then automatically acquired against the following...

    CC Permit

    Sex Offender Registry

    Warrant checks - Local, State, National

    Terrorist Watch list

    Warning Tickets

    Police Contacts

    Police Reports

    More depending on the agency and what they want to be checked. Any database they have can be searched and data returned.

    thanks

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    Welcome....

    I guess this satisfies your question?

    You could have just PMed me.

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    what is "Police Contacts"?

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Welcome....

    I guess this satisfies your question?

    You could have just PMed me.
    Yes but i stillhave a few questions.This waythe informationis out on the public forum for everyone to see and hopefully stop spreading the rumor that the your DMV record is flagged with your CHP info. I know its a fine point but it is incorrect info that should not be put out there.

    I realize that the two checks are run almost simaltaneously in some jurisdictions but for example, it has also be stated by a Dispatcher on here that the Criminal Check on the Registered owner is not always automatic and has to be specifically requested by the officer. I believe some of this has to do with the sophistication of the various departments computer systems and remote access.

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    67GT390FB wrote:
    SNIP...
    it is my understanding that the officer then accesses or has someone else, like a dispatcher run that information or the info provided by your drivers license, through a seperate system to see if you have warrants etc. it is when the PO checks this system that the flag for a CHP comes up.
    Joe:

    That's not the way it gets "sold" in the news. I think many people (myself included) believed that when your tag got run, the CHP hit came back right away, so the officer approaching the vehicle would know if you were one of the most law abiding, least troublesome, least likely to be a threat, citizens of the Commonwealth.

    As we hear so many times its all about "officer safety"

    Good info. I had considered registering my cars under an LLC to break the link between car registration and CHP. Now, it seems I don't have to.



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    Kinda interesting that they(whoever THEY is...)lump in CHP holders with all of these other bad things...

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    A Loudoun Deputy told me that one in ten (of his) traffic stops shows the driver to have a CHP. He says it is second nature and (he said thanks to my efforts) all of Loudoun County Deputies have been re-trained regarding firearms :-)
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    for starters let me say i am sorry and beg forgivness...i was one of the people that believed this rumor and kinda spread it to customers that asked me that came into the shop....again i am sorry and swear to change my ways......i to believed this rumor...sigh...ok the truth is out...i make it my mission to correct this information....again sorry and i guess i got to flog myself now....

    but all seriousness this was a very good question and good to get a clear answer.

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    So,how does this traffic stop play out?

    1. I get pulled over.

    2. LEO asks for my drivers license, insurance and registration. I hand them over.

    3. I get interrogated with a few questions, which I naturallydon't answer.

    4. When LEO returns with my traffic ticket, he asks to see my CHP.

    5. I had it over.

    6. Receive all of my documents back with my ticket, and I'm on my way.

    Is this the proper sequence of events?


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    ed wrote:
    A Loudoun Deputy told me that one in ten (of his) traffic stops shows the driver to have a CHP. He says it is second nature and (he said thanks to my efforts) all of Loudoun County Deputies have been re-trained regarding firearms :-)
    Wow.. really? 1 in 10? That's about 5 times the Virginia norm (which is just under 2% as of 2006). Are CHP holders really more prone to traffic stops? I wouldn't expect Loudoun to have a CHP average 5 times the state rate, so I guess we can only draw one conclusion: People in Loudoun with CHPs are terrible drivers!

    Seriously, though, I wonder if it simply seems that way (1 in 10 has a CHP) because an officer is more likely to remember an encounter with an armed citizen than with an unarmed one. Any LEOs on the board want to share thier observations/experience?

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    RedKnightt wrote:
    ed wrote:
    A Loudoun Deputy told me that one in ten (of his) traffic stops shows the driver to have a CHP. He says it is second nature and (he said thanks to my efforts) all of Loudoun County Deputies have been re-trained regarding firearms :-)
    Wow.. really? 1 in 10? That's about 5 times the Virginia norm (which is just under 2% as of 2006). Are CHP holders really more prone to traffic stops? I wouldn't expect Loudoun to have a CHP average 5 times the state rate, so I guess we can only draw one conclusion: People in Loudoun with CHPs are terrible drivers!

    Seriously, though, I wonder if it simply seems that way (1 in 10 has a CHP) because an officer is more likely to remember an encounter with an armed citizen than with an unarmed one. Any LEOs on the board want to share thier observations/experience?

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    buster81 wrote:
    So,how does this traffic stop play out?

    1. I get pulled over.

    2. LEO asks for my drivers license, insurance and registration. I hand them over.

    3. I get interrogated with a few questions, which I naturallydon't answer.

    4. When LEO returns with my traffic ticket, he asks to see my CHP.

    5. I had it over.

    6. Receive all of my documents back with my ticket, and I'm on my way.

    Is this the proper sequence of events?
    In my (admittedly limited) experience, the LEO doesn't ask to see my CHP in step 4. Instead, he asks me if I'm carrying. Since I'm on my way to The People's Republic of Maryland, I say, "Unfortunately, no, since I'm on my way to Maryland, I'm disarmed." LEO says, "Have a nice day, and quit breaking Virginia traffic laws." I say, "Thank you very much. Have a marvelous day!"

    All this is hypothetical, of course.

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    67GT390FB wrote:
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    Welcome....

    I guess this satisfies your question?

    You could have just PMed me.
    Yes but i stillhave a few questions.This waythe informationis out on the public forum for everyone to see and hopefully stop spreading the rumor that the your DMV record is flagged with your CHP info. I know its a fine point but it is incorrect info that should not be put out there.

    I realize that the two checks are run almost simaltaneously in some jurisdictions but for example, it has also be stated by a Dispatcher on here that the Criminal Check on the Registered owner is not always automatic and has to be specifically requested by the officer. I believe some of this has to do with the sophistication of the various departments computer systems and remote access.
    Actually, doesn't that poster go so far as to say that the second check is only legal udner certain circumstances...hold on, let me do some searching.

    DISREGARD - REVISTED THE THREAD - HE DIDN"T SAY THAT AT ALL - MY APOLOGIES

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    When the check is run on the "registered owner" would it include multiple people in the event a vehicle is registered (like my two are) in both a husband and wife's name? Or would it generally return only data on the first listed name?

    Let's assume the registered owner did have a CHP, but was not the driver. I'll go out on a limb here and figure the officer will realize that and not ask the driver if he or she is carrying?
    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764.

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    Air wrote:
    what is "Police Contacts"?
    Many departments fill out a card when they stop you and no ticket it given.

    This tracks subject and traffic stops and allows the department to check for racial profiling.

    This actually started up many years agodue to coplaints when I could stop and give you a verbal warning. I could stop all Asians and harass them and there would be no documentation on it.

    For the record.. I like the Asian people...

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    ed wrote:
    A Loudoun Deputy told me that one in ten (of his) traffic stops shows the driver to have a CHP. He says it is second nature and (he said thanks to my efforts) all of Loudoun County Deputies have been re-trained regarding firearms :-)
    I get many CC returns too on people I stop. No big deal.

    Sometimes I ask... "what you got? (with a fun curious smile)" and often hear.. "I am not packingtoday."

    So many people have them and do not carry. Or they are telling me a lie!!





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    buster81 wrote:
    So,how does this traffic stop play out?

    1. I get pulled over.

    2. LEO asks for my drivers license, insurance and registration. I hand them over.

    3. I get interrogated with a few questions, which I naturallydon't answer.

    4. When LEO returns with my traffic ticket, he asks to see my CHP.

    5. I had it over.

    6. Receive all of my documents back with my ticket, and I'm on my way.

    Is this the proper sequence of events?
    There is no need to ask for you the permit if I can see it is valid in the computer.

    The only real need for the permit is if the computer is down and cannot verify it is valid.

    Running your name and getting the up-to-date return from the court is far better than your permit.

    Just because you have the permit does not mean it is still valid. It could have been revoked by the court for something you did last year.



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    ThunderRanch wrote:
    When the check is run on the "registered owner" would it include multiple people in the event a vehicle is registered (like my two are) in both a husband and wife's name? Or would it generally return only data on the first listed name?

    Let's assume the registered owner did have a CHP, but was not the driver. I'll go out on a limb here and figure the officer will realize that and not ask the driver if he or she is carrying?
    I was told the Virginia DMV send all the owners by default.

    There are times I only want the vehicle info for a parking ticket and I get pages and pages of stuff I do not need.

    ALL owner are returned. And then... depending on the agency and what they specify...

    It runs EVERY name against their predetermined databases.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Air wrote:
    what is "Police Contacts"?
    Many departments fill out a card when they stop you and no ticket it given.

    This tracks subject and traffic stops and allows the department to check for racial profiling.

    This actually started up many years agodue to coplaints when I could stop and give you a verbal warning. I could stop all Asians and harass them and there would be no documentation on it.

    For the record.. I like the Asian people...
    Leo 229 is being modest. Many departments fill them out whenever they make "Meaningful" contact with the public. People walking in high drug areas or in wealthy areas just about anywhere. They are kept in a database that all officers can access.

    That's why it's very important when the officer sees you at the corner and says, "May I help You"....you say......NO

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    peter nap wrote:
    Leo 229 is being modest. Many departments fill them out whenever they make "Meaningful" contact with the public. People walking in high drug areas or in wealthy areas just about anywhere. They are kept in a database that all officers can access.

    That's why it's very important when the officer sees you at the corner and says, "May I help You"....you say......NO
    This is true.... If you are asked for you ID.... your information will be added to a database that can be checked.

    If you decline.... a card is still done with your full description included and name omitted.

    In a way.. it is good because bad guys are sometimes located because they were found in the area at the time of the crime.

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    So since I'm often driving my sister's car (which I think is still registered in my parent's name) or my girlfriend's car (which is in her name, but we aren't married and she isn't a CHP holder) is it unlikely that an officer will have any suspicion that I am armed if I were to get stopped, or as soon as the license is handed over and he goes back to the car will he likely check on a CHP? I only ask because around Blacksburg, depending on how close to campus I am and the direction I might be headed when I get stopped, I'd prefer to keep it to myself if I can reasonably help it...wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm headed to campus with my gun. :what: Just couldn't see that leading to anything good, even if I were headed to Wal-Mart and just happened to be right beside campus when I was going 45 in a 35 (legitimate possibility based on where my house is vs campus vs wally world.)


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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    So since I'm often driving my sister's car (which I think is still registered in my parent's name) or my girlfriend's car (which is in her name, but we aren't married and she isn't a CHP holder) is it unlikely that an officer will have any suspicion that I am armed if I were to get stopped, or as soon as the license is handed over and he goes back to the car will he likely check on a CHP? I only ask because around Blacksburg, depending on how close to campus I am and the direction I might be headed when I get stopped, I'd prefer to keep it to myself if I can reasonably help it...wouldn't want anyone thinking I'm headed to campus with my gun. :what: Just couldn't see that leading to anything good, even if I were headed to Wal-Mart and just happened to be right beside campus when I was going 45 in a 35 (legitimate possibility based on where my house is vs campus vs wally world.)
    Ya... I would run your license to be sure you are not suspended and not wanted.

    The CC permit would show up... No big deal as I already have your license and know who you are. I ran your name so if you did kill me and take it back...my agency willknow who to look for.

    I return to give you your ticket and you are on your way.

    No need to ask you about a gun now since you will be gone in 60 seconds....

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    I am not sure what system that LEO229's agency has. Out here in rural VA the sequence runs something like,

    1.The deputy calls your tag into dispatch

    2. You tag gets run through NCIC/VCIN and DMV to check to make sure it isn't stolen or other flags and to make sure that it is properly registered.

    3. The Deputy goes up and gets your OL which he calls in to us to check and make sure it is valid and your not wanted. This is when we find out you have a CHP.

    4. The Deputy tickets or not and clears.



    Our department doesn't keep all of the info that LEO229's does. Just a difference in the departments databases. We also don't run the registered owners as a matter of course. Was also wondering what departments do when the vehicle is registered to a business or a rental company.

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