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    There were no external marks of an LEO, just a big fat Glock on his right side. Even though we walked within 2 feet of the man, the other two people I was with didn't even notice he was carrying.

    He walked right into the post office to check his P.O. Box and left.

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    GPossenti wrote:
    There were no external marks of an LEO, just a big fat Glock on his right side. Even though we walked within 2 feet of the man, the other two people I was with didn't even notice he was carrying.

    He walked right into the post office to check his P.O. Box and left.
    That's livin' large.
    If he is simply a citizen, firearms are prohibited on USPS property. If they caught him, there'd have been a scene.
    Glad it all was a non-issue.

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    It's odd that you say that. There are signs at the post office which state that it is unlawful and carries increased penalties for using a firearm to commit a crime, but the sign doesn't actually say firearms are prohibited.

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    GPossenti wrote:
    It's odd that you say that. There are signs at the post office which state that it is unlawful and carries increased penalties for using a firearm to commit a crime, but the sign doesn't actually say firearms are prohibited.
    It's in the US Postal code. Please keep in mind I don't enforce it or care for the code, just mention that it happens to exist.

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    Ok. Great to know. He was lucky.

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    I talked with the local postmistress on this and the lobby open 24 hours was considered safe to carry. Then....I heard not!

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    The infamous Post Office carry law....

    First off I don't want to be the test case.

    According to the code one of the exemptions for persons who can carry in a post are "Persons authorized by a State to carry a firearm".

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    1- In Indiana there is no state law against Post Office carry.
    2- The Indiana LTCH (license to Carry a Handgun) Reads "The Licensee is hereby licensed by The Indiana State Police to carry on their person...any handgun...."

    So someone in Indiana with a LTCH can legally carry into the PO. Does that mean they won't be harassed? Or even possibly arrested? Can't say.

    I don't want to be the test case, hence I don't open carry in the PO.

    FYI PO is NOT federal property either.

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    Prom....that's what I'm getting at. So many variations.

    I am excluded by the fact I am commissioned (sworn) by the state of Kentucky, but I do not press that issue. I carry as if I had no badge.

    I reckon we must carry as we see fit but not in violation of laws if possible. Each individual must make their own judgement.

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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...07&forum_id=45

    It would seem that notice must be posted for the post office prohibition to be enforceable. Since they posted the notice for 18 USC Sec. 930 subsection (b), but not (a), it would seem that the post office in question does not have an enforceable "no firearms" policy in place.

    Then again, IANAL.

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    I did too. I saw a guy open carryingcarrying what looked to be an AOW shotgun down his pocket, sticking up far enough to be visible for the reciever and grip portion. Only in Arizona would someone who probably doesn't even post here think of doing that.
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    Michigander wrote:
    I did too. I saw a guy open carryingcarrying what looked to be an AOW shotgun down his pocket, sticking up far enough to be visible for the reciever and grip portion. Only in Arizona would someone who probably doesn't even post here think of doing that.
    did it look like this?



    just curious, because I have somewhat of a fixation with the serbu, and then I found out that they made an OC holster for it.

    :celebrate





    now I just need to convince Santa that I have been a good boy

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    I saw him at the Knob Creek Machinegun Shoot with that rig. I started to get it and changed my mind. I think $750 and tax.

    Now I'm wanting it again.

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    Cool Carrying in Indiana Post Office...

    I live in Southern Indiana (Clark County) and our post offices here have signs all over the place stating that firearms are NOT allowed. Indiana law does state that if there are signs posted, then firearms are NOT allowed and the police can be called.

    I keep looking at Indiana Laws, which are crap to try to read, and I want to find it written out for me, that I can carry my handgun holstered on my side and in the open. I have a lifetime carry permit. It says nothing on it about being a CCW permit, just a license to carry. However, I have been told that I can carry it in the open and can still be harassed by law enforcement. I don't want to be harassed. I don't want some arrogant cop to think he can take my gun away or think he can arrest me either. I was at my local Walmart yesterday and my husband and I, both, saw this guy walking around with his wife and he was carrying open. People didn't freak out.
    I, personally, would like to see people carry openly. Then I know who is carrying. Less chance some idiot is going to try to pull something stupid if they walk in to rob a place and see a dozen law abiding citizens with firearms holstered on their sides. I have no problem showing my license to a police officer if he asks to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American_Patriot View Post
    I live in Southern Indiana (Clark County) and our post offices here have signs all over the place stating that firearms are NOT allowed. Indiana law does state that if there are signs posted, then firearms are NOT allowed and the police can be called.

    I keep looking at Indiana Laws, which are crap to try to read, and I want to find it written out for me, that I can carry my handgun holstered on my side and in the open. I have a lifetime carry permit. It says nothing on it about being a CCW permit, just a license to carry. However, I have been told that I can carry it in the open and can still be harassed by law enforcement. I don't want to be harassed. I don't want some arrogant cop to think he can take my gun away or think he can arrest me either. I was at my local Walmart yesterday and my husband and I, both, saw this guy walking around with his wife and he was carrying open. People didn't freak out.
    I, personally, would like to see people carry openly. Then I know who is carrying. Less chance some idiot is going to try to pull something stupid if they walk in to rob a place and see a dozen law abiding citizens with firearms holstered on their sides. I have no problem showing my license to a police officer if he asks to see it.
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    One of the best ways to pull the OCers out of the bushes in your area is to arrange a meet-up. Coffee at Starbucks, dinner at <name of restaurant>, litter pick-up arranged with the Public Works/Highway Dept., picnic in the park (check your local laws to be sure carry in the park is OK). Announce over in the Indiana forum http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/fo...php?98-Indiana where and when you are going to be there and invite anybody who wants to join you to show up. You can meet the nicest strangers that way and turn some of them into friends.

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    This is policy at EVERY facility/office, no matter how small or large.

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    Cool Hello Everyone!

    [QUOTE=skidmark;1584720]Welcome to OCDO! And welcome to your husband, too. (If he's not lurking/posting on his own he will get all his information from you.)

    Thanks for the Welcome! My husband WILL get his info from me. He isn't the computer geek that I am. Plus, he works too many hours. I will talk to him about planning a get together for OCers. Sounds really good. Maybe in Late September at the Falls of the Ohio. In June of last year, I believe, it became a state law that guns were allowed in state parks and in hospitals (by visitors). I have a permit to carry on all military bases in the U.S. (because I totally freaked them out when I told them at the gate at Ft. Carson in Jan 08 [when visiting my son] that I was carrying). However, I am not allowed to carry on any other federal or state property. Even when I go to the gun shows at the state fairgrounds.

    Anyway.. I am glad to be part of this group. For any Veterans, Troops, Military Families, Police officers, Firefighters, EMTs/Paramedics on here... Thank you all for your service to our country and communities. My husband and I truly enjoy our freedoms that we have and those who work to keep those freedoms and us safe.
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    AOW shotgun

    I thought shotguns had to have a barrel length of so many inches. Like 18" or so. Not trying to be devil's advocate, just wanting to know. It's pretty awesome looking and would be very intimidating to the person who came upon you in a bad situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American_Patriot View Post
    I thought shotguns had to have a barrel length of so many inches. Like 18" or so. Not trying to be devil's advocate, just wanting to know. It's pretty awesome looking and would be very intimidating to the person who came upon you in a bad situation.
    If your state does not have a law against it and your apply for and receive your $200.00 tax stamp from BATFE you to can possess and own a SBS--- Short barrelled shotgun (<16in).

    In the case of the serba shorty with the PISTOL grip it is class as a Federal AOW with only has a $5.00 tax stamp but all the same application/approval process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American_Patriot;1587504:)Thanks for the Welcome! My husband WILL get his info from me. He isn't the computer geek that I am.

    I have a permit to carry on all military bases in the U.S. (because I totally freaked them out when I told them at the gate at Ft. Carson in Jan 08 [when visiting my son
    that I was carrying). However, I am not allowed to carry on any other federal or state property. Even when I go to the gun shows at the state fairgrounds.

    Vanessa
    Inquiring minds want to know what kind of permit do you have that lets you carry on military facilities but not other federal or state property.

    You say you have an Indiana lifetime permit but cannot carry at the gunshow at the State Fairgrounds, and wonder if it allows you to CC at all. I highly recommend you haul yourself over to the Indiana state forum and start reading, then asking questions. Those folks over there may not know how to drive (yes, I have travelled through Indiana both from East-to-West and North-to-South. Life insurance company threatened to cancel me if I did it again.) but they sure know their gun laws and can explain them.

    stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    If your state does not have a law against it and your apply for and receive your $200.00 tax stamp from BATFE you to can possess and own a SBS--- Short barrelled shotgun (<16in).

    In the case of the serba shorty with the PISTOL grip it is class as a Federal AOW with only has a $5.00 tax stamp but all the same application/approval process.
    Exactly correct. It's 5 bucks to carry a no shoulder stock shotgun of any barrel length. Unless it has a rifled barrel, as some sabot load shotguns do. Then it is a pistol not an AOW. No different than the Judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American_Patriot View Post
    I live in Southern Indiana (Clark County) and our post offices here have signs all over the place stating that firearms are NOT allowed. Indiana law does state that if there are signs posted, then firearms are NOT allowed and the police can be called.

    I keep looking at Indiana Laws, which are crap to try to read, and I want to find it written out for me, that I can carry my handgun holstered on my side and in the open.
    Since Open Carry (OC) is legal, you will not find anything in writing saying so. Laws will only tell you what is illegal. :-)

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