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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky

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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the road of drunk drivers?

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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the road of drunk drivers?
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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the streets of illegal weapons?
    Good argument for gun control you've got there. :quirky

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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the streets of illegal weapons?
    Good argument for gun control you've got there. :quirky
    So, you took my own words and twisted them....added what you wanted....and changed the topic. Do you work for the media? Maybe the John McPain campain? I thought it was funny that this didn't have anything to do with guns, yet was posted on a pro-gun board. WTG.....nice bait and switch.

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    Guns and booze are not even close to being compared. I can drive with 3000 rounds of ammo and 72 firearms and it's not going to affect my driving ability. I drive with a belly full of beer and I become a danger to anyone in my path.
    You don't have the right to drive, it's a privilege. Drinking and driving is just plain stupid. Go ahead, flame me, but it's true.
    I don't think vehicle searches are necessary unless the driver can't see because of the pot/crack/meth smoke fogging the entire car.
    We as gun owner over use the "people in cars kill more innocent folks every week than guns do in a year" argument, and we know it's true. So now we bitch and moan because the local LE sets up a DUI checkpoint to catch drunk drivers? You can't have it both ways folks. Plain and simple: take responsibility for your actions. Call a cab, get a DD, or don't drink! No one is forcing you except YOU!
    I've seen way too many friends in my younger days, and friends of my sons get killed for being stupid and irresponsible. Darwin awards to everyone of 'em but they were still people with friends and families as were their victims.

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    Guns and booze are not even close to being compared. I can drive with 3000 rounds of ammo and 72 firearms and it's not going to affect my driving ability. I drive with a belly full of beer and I become a danger to anyone in my path.
    You don't have the right to drive, it's a privilege. Drinking and driving is just plain stupid. Go ahead, flame me, but it's true.
    I don't think vehicle searches are necessary unless the driver can't see because of the pot/crack/meth smoke fogging the entire car.
    We as gun owner over use the "people in cars kill more innocent folks every week than guns do in a year" argument, and we know it's true. So now we bitch and moan because the local LE sets up a DUI checkpoint to catch drunk drivers? You can't have it both ways folks. Plain and simple: take responsibility for your actions. Call a cab, get a DD, or don't drink! No one is forcing you except YOU!
    I've seen way too many friends in my younger days, and friends of my sons get killed for being stupid and irresponsible. Darwin awards to everyone of 'em but they were still people with friends and families as were their victims.

    So there, I've doused myself in Forum Fuel, who's gonna light the first match?


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    Guns and booze are not even close to being compared. I can drive with 3000 rounds of ammo and 72 firearms and it's not going to affect my driving ability. I drive with a belly full of beer and I become a danger to anyone in my path.
    You don't have the right to drive, it's a privilege. Drinking and driving is just plain stupid. Go ahead, flame me, but it's true.
    I don't think vehicle searches are necessary unless the driver can't see because of the pot/crack/meth smoke fogging the entire car.
    We as gun owner over use the "people in cars kill more innocent folks every week than guns do in a year" argument, and we know it's true. So now we bitch and moan because the local LE sets up a DUI checkpoint to catch drunk drivers? You can't have it both ways folks. Plain and simple: take responsibility for your actions. Call a cab, get a DD, or don't drink! No one is forcing you except YOU!
    I've seen way too many friends in my younger days, and friends of my sons get killed for being stupid and irresponsible. Darwin awards to everyone of 'em but they were still people with friends and families as were their victims.

    So there, I've doused myself in Forum Fuel, who's gonna light the first match?
    I agree that people who are driving drunk ought to be punished.

    The instance I posted wasn't a checkpoint

    I question the methods used to find the few who drunk drive.

    I probably shouldn't have posted this on a gun forum, but I thought it related to liberty.

    I disagree that driving should be a privilege. (not with you Evil Ernie, with society for making it a privilege) I believe it is even covered in the Bill of Rights - 9th Amendment

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


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    I personally believe they should stop BAD drivers, whether or not they are over the legal limit. After all, doesn't 2 beers put some people over? I know people who can walk tightropes after a sixpack and some who go to sleep after one bottle.

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    stanicus wrote:
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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the streets of illegal weapons?
    Good argument for gun control you've got there. :quirky
    So, you took my own words and twisted them....added what you wanted....and changed the topic. Do you work for the media? Maybe the John McPain campain? I thought it was funny that this didn't have anything to do with guns, yet was posted on a pro-gun board. WTG.....nice bait and switch.
    Sure, whatever.

    So it's cool to violate the Constitution in order to catch drunk drivers, but not to keep so-called "illegal guns" off the streets? Ok then...
    ETA: I didn't "twist" any of your words, but simply "changed" the last two.

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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the road of drunk drivers?
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    I personally believe they should stop BAD drivers, whether or not they are over the legal limit. After all, doesn't 2 beers put some people over? I know people who can walk tightropes after a sixpack and some who go to sleep after one bottle.
    Not BAC. Maybe inebriated but not over some practical limit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Alcohol_Content

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    stanicus wrote:
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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    They look for an excuse, 1-2 over the speed limit, tail light out, improper lane change, etc. Then while you are detained for that you are evaluated for sobriety and your car is searched. Evil, just pure evil
    I know they are ticky tack reasons to pull people over, but how is it "evil" to use whatever means nessessaryto attempt to clear the streets of illegal weapons?
    Good argument for gun control you've got there. :quirky
    So, you took my own words and twisted them....added what you wanted....and changed the topic. Do you work for the media? Maybe the John McPain campain? I thought it was funny that this didn't have anything to do with guns, yet was posted on a pro-gun board. WTG.....nice bait and switch.
    McPain? Maybe you prefer that pos Obooba? Then you'll find out about bait and switch when it comes to guns.
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    I personally believe they should stop BAD drivers, whether or not they are over the legal limit. After all, doesn't 2 beers put some people over? I know people who can walk tightropes after a sixpack and some who go to sleep after one bottle.
    And just how are they going to do that? Roadblocks every night? Random pull overs to check for "papers"? First steps; what are the next ones going to be?
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    Quote Chris: "ETA: I didn't "twist" any of your words, but simply "changed" the last two."

    And the point being how easy it would be to do just that. This guy doesn't like 'McPain'; I'm sure he'll be much happier with the dope from the Daley Machine. Maybe he should look for the "Brady" forum. I'm sure they like roadblocks. Check for booze then check for guns.

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    I personally believe they should stop BAD drivers, whether or not they are over the legal limit. After all, doesn't 2 beers put some people over? I know people who can walk tightropes after a sixpack and some who go to sleep after one bottle.
    And just how are they going to do that? Roadblocks every night? Random pull overs to check for "papers"? First steps; what are the next ones going to be?
    Wait... what? There are plenty of bad drivers that can be caught without setting up roadblocks. Papers? HUH? Where'd you get this totally skewed view of what I said? There are people who weave in and out of traffic. They cause a danger, whether or not they are drunk. There are people who cut others off or merge without signaling, causing danger. There are people who go 40 over the speed limit in a contruction zone. There are people who weave all over the road causing significant danger. These are the people I'm talking about. How, pray tell, would roadblocks stop these guys? They may not be drunk, but they are a danger. If they are drunk, nail them. If someone is driving carefully and makes it home without causing a danger to anyone, why care?

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    Gunslinger wrote:
    Quote Chris: "ETA: I didn't "twist" any of your words, but simply "changed" the last two."

    And the point being how easy it would be to do just that. This guy doesn't like 'McPain'; I'm sure he'll be much happier with the dope from the Daley Machine. Maybe he should look for the "Brady" forum. I'm sure they like roadblocks. Check for booze then check for guns.
    HAHAHAHAHHAHA......like shooting fish in a barrel! Offer any other point and you will get trashed for it. I always bring my angry stick for poking when I visit. This one was too easy.

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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    Of those pulled over, 14 were arrested on suspicion on DUI, six were arrested on misdemeanor drug related charges and one was taken into custody on felony drug charges.
    I wonder if this is a normal stop to arrest ratio... How can they justify stopping 200 people for possible DUI, and only arrest 21? Seems a bit over the top to me. :quirky
    I've been driving for nearly 40 years now. I've lived in Ky, Fl, and now Tenn. During this whole time period I've always heard it announced on TV and radio that LE was going to be setting up checkstops here and thereon the holiday weekends. They don't say where they'll be, just that they will be out there. The idea is to discourage driving and drinking.

    I believe the article you quoted said that 200 vehicles were stopped, not 200 people . That means that of the 200 vehicles stopped, 14 were being driven by drivers under the influence. My guess is that the drug arrest were passengersfrom some of the same 14 vehicles.

    It didn't mention anything about arrests for firearm violations.

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    Alcohol and illegal drugs carry an inherent ability to change a person's behaviour and degrade a person's decision-making process and physical capability. Illegal weapons have no such ability.

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    21 arrested in weekend DUI blitz September 2nd, 2008 @ 10:52am (KSL News) A DUI blitz in Park City over the weekend netted 21 arrests.
    The Utah Highway Patrol worked with Park City police to step up patrols and pulled over more than 200 vehicles during the three-day operation.
    So if they're pulling people over (instead of using roadblocks), presumably with probable cause (license plate light out, failure to use turn signal, etc.), what is the issue? If you drive legally, in a vehicle that meets legal standards, you should have no problem. The driver has to break the law first to give the cops the excuse to pull him over.

    The cops used to try to shut down teens "cruising the pits" in my hometown growing up. We knew we'd get nailed for any little thing they could find, so my Friday night ritual consisted of checking every single bulb on the car before I went anywhere so they would have no excuse to pull me over. (Usually worked, too, unless they caught my Trans Am with smoke rolling off the back tires.)

    I don't have a problem with cops properly using the laws on the books to bust someone, or even just to check them out. I have a problem with the few cops who think they should make up their own laws to accomplish the same thing.

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    The only times I've seen this sort of thing is when they either look for the little things to pull you over, or they do set up road blocks. The times with road blocks, they always said they were checking to make sure no one was over the legal limit, they were near bars, and I never had to do a breathalyzer. They specifically looked for signs of intoxication, told me to drive safe and have a nice night, and I went on through.

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    Alcohol and illegal drugs carry an inherent ability to change a person's behaviour and degrade a person's decision-making process and physical capability. Illegal weapons have no such ability.
    Right, so that means if drugs are involved we can trash the Constitution and the entire Bill of Rights.

    But don't touch my guns!

    ETA: I do not condone drug use or driving under the influence (duh), but am simply making a point. The principle remains the same.

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    Just do a little personal research on the decline of the Fourth Amendment.

    The slippery slope has almost turned into a luge run.

    There is always a nice-sounding, seemingly logical justification for the next infringement. Always.

    If you want an eye-opener, read the dissents in the casescited by LEO229 in the thread about refusing to be disarmed. Astounding.

    The case cites are about 1/3 of the way down page one: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/15435-1.html
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    Citizen wrote:
    Just do a little personal research on the decline of the Fourth Amendment.

    The slippery slope has almost turned into a luge run.

    There is always a nice-sounding, seemingly logical justification for the next infringement. Always.

    If you want an eye-opener, read the dissents in the casescited by LEO229 in the thread about refusing to be disarmed. Astounding.
    And all in the last 30-40 years. All under the guise of "public safety"

    From drug laws to MADD pushing their draconian drunk driving laws.

    No one likes drunk driver or heroin addicts - but I prefer my freedom a lot more

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