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    My heart goes out to all those families and friends involved.

    A shooting spree in Skagit County has left six people dead and two injured by a man authorities describe as a well-known criminal with mental problems.
    State Patrol Trooper Keith Leary said a man was arrested after turning himself in at the Skagit County Sheriff's Office. The suspect is known to authorities "as someone with a mental illness," Leary said, and was booked into the Skagit County Jail.
    The Department of Corrections identified the man as 28-year-old Isaac Zamora of Alger. He is on Department of Corrections supervision and is considered a high-risk offender with convictions for theft and drug possession. He's a nonviolent offender who is being supervised at a high level because of his long-standing mental health issues. Zamora last reported to his probation officer in Mount Vernon on Aug. 21.


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    Ya even more tragic was a comment I read on newsvine. The poster stated that they would rather give up 2 amendment rights then hear about things like this.

    http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2008/0...0414717#last_1

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    Yes, terrible story.

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    Ya even more tragic was a comment I read on newsvine. The poster stated that they would rather give up 2 amendment rights then hear about things like this.
    Well, actually I'd gladly give up 2A rights if we could get rid of stories like this . . . unfortunately, the two don't go hand in hand. We can give up the rights, but the stories would continue for the most part.

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    I agree that reporters comment is a stupid way of thinking. Striping away 2A rights wont fix this on going issue.

    This all goes to show every that it can happen, anywhere, anytime, to anyone. The what ifs in this case are all over the place. What if we could all be responsable gun owners and a gun never get into the hands of a mentally ill person. What if one, or both of the construction workers where carrying? Would this have been over before more died?

    Who knows.

    I had a friend killed in something like this in Las Vegas, if he only could have carried at work, at night stocking shelves.





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    Mad Pick wrote:
    Yes, terrible story.

    .45ballers wrote:
    Ya even more tragic was a comment I read on newsvine. The poster stated that they would rather give up 2 amendment rights then hear about things like this.
    Well, actually I'd gladly give up 2A rights if we could get rid of stories like this . . . unfortunately, the two don't go hand in hand. We can give up the rights, but the stories would continue for the most part.
    I would never give up rights to gain a little security. A quote from Benjamin Franklin sums it up, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
    This simply points to the pathetic liberal government and the lack of effort they put towards monitoring these guys. This guy should have been in a facility; but much like sex offenders and drug dealers the liberal government here just throws them back out onto the street.


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    Yes this is so sad.Every so often we get something like this that happens in America.

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    There appears to be more to the story than the news has found. Though reported that two were wounded , both in hte hand/arm a third person was transported to Bellingham with five gunshot wounds. These were not life threatening unbelievably. There is also much more that I can't go into though. Should be an interesting full story.

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    I will be interested to hear where he got the weapon from.

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    David.Car wrote:
    I will be interested to hear where he got the weapon from.
    +1. I was thinking the same thing as soon as I heard he was known to have a mental illness.
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    "LEARY SAYS AUTHORITIES HAVE NO INFORMATION YET ABOUT WHAT MAY HAVE TRIGGERED THE SHOOTINGS. HE SAYS NO FIREARMS HAVE BEEN RECOVERED"


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    Not recovered? Strange, I would have though it was in the car when he pulled up to the police station. He must have ditched it after it was out of bullets.

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    This is starting to go from just sad to interesting.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    just_a_car wrote:
    David.Car wrote:
    I will be interested to hear where he got the weapon from.
    +1. I was thinking the same thing as soon as I heard he was known to have a mental illness.
    Screw the mental illness, he was on parole for crimes.

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    So let's say he stole the gun from a law-abiding citizen who had it in his or her home for personal protection and may have been trying to help the guy out in some way? Should that law-abiding citizen then be held responsible for allowing the gun to be taken? I ask the question because it will come up. This is one of the arguments for gun-control measures (e.g., mandatory trigger locks, mandatory licensing, etc.).

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    scarlett1125 wrote:
    So let's say he stole the gun from a law-abiding citizen who had it in his or her home for personal protection and may have been trying to help the guy out in some way? Should that law-abiding citizen then be held responsible for allowing the gun to be taken? I ask the question because it will come up. This is one of the arguments for gun-control measures (e.g., mandatory trigger locks, mandatory licensing, etc.).
    Law-abiding citizen reports their gun stolen, even if LOE's don't come take the report or follow-up. So, why would a law abiding citizen be liable for anothers action? this is the problem I see over and over... Sheeple and thier kidds aren't taking responsibilitys for THEIR own actions. Not the gun owners fault, the person who stolen it committed one crime, then again by giving it to a known felon, the the Felon for possesion, then the murders.



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    Let us just go with occam's razor.

    It was the neighbors gun.

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    OK, but for the sake of argument, maybe it's one of those people who doesn't take his or her gun out and check it or do anything with it on a regular basis. We're not talking about the average person on this forum. There are some people who keep a gun in their nightstand and don't take it out more than once a month. If that person didn't realize that the gun was missing before the crime took place, could the legal system hold the owner liable for the actions of the person who took the gun? Does it matter if that person was living in the home or not?

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