protector84
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For the purposes of my point, I'm going to use the University of Arizona campus as an example. This campus has various "no weapons" signs not only on the entrances of campus buildings but on road signs located on streets that enter the campus. The campus consists of both buildings as well as large open spaces similar to what you would see at city parks. There is also no real clear distinction on what actually is owned by the campus, what is private property, or simply something else.
If you read the relevant weapons sections in A.R.S., you will see that there is no statute prohibiting weapons on university or college campuses in Arizona. The only school prohibition refers to K-12 schools. There are three statutes that may come close. The first is that private property owners or managers reserve the right to prohbit certain activities on their property. If you don't abide by their rules they can ask you to leave and if you refuse you can be charged with trespassing. This includes stores, etc. that prohibit weapons. The second is a statute that refers to a public establishment or event refering to state property such as courthouses, libraries, city hall, etc. or events such as a state fair, parade in which admittance is required, etc. Any such building or event must provide storage lockers or some "secure and temporary" storage for firearms at the entrance of the facility or event if weapons are prohibited. That does not apply to buildings or events in which alcohol is served. The third refers to park carry. Parks can limit weapons to those who posess CCW permits if posted conspicuously.
The U of A and other universities appear to be making up their own rules. If the open areas of the campus are considered a "park" then CCW-permit holders must be allowed to carry there regardless of signage. As to the buildings, they are either state property or private property but they can't be both. Since these are not private schools but state schools it must be state property. Where are their storage lockers? I really don't want to be a "test" case here but I don't think they are legally allowed to prohibit weapons on campus unless they provide lockers. They may be allowed to come up with policies for students and employees but for the purposes of this argument, I am referring to members of the public. Any thoughts?
For the purposes of my point, I'm going to use the University of Arizona campus as an example. This campus has various "no weapons" signs not only on the entrances of campus buildings but on road signs located on streets that enter the campus. The campus consists of both buildings as well as large open spaces similar to what you would see at city parks. There is also no real clear distinction on what actually is owned by the campus, what is private property, or simply something else.
If you read the relevant weapons sections in A.R.S., you will see that there is no statute prohibiting weapons on university or college campuses in Arizona. The only school prohibition refers to K-12 schools. There are three statutes that may come close. The first is that private property owners or managers reserve the right to prohbit certain activities on their property. If you don't abide by their rules they can ask you to leave and if you refuse you can be charged with trespassing. This includes stores, etc. that prohibit weapons. The second is a statute that refers to a public establishment or event refering to state property such as courthouses, libraries, city hall, etc. or events such as a state fair, parade in which admittance is required, etc. Any such building or event must provide storage lockers or some "secure and temporary" storage for firearms at the entrance of the facility or event if weapons are prohibited. That does not apply to buildings or events in which alcohol is served. The third refers to park carry. Parks can limit weapons to those who posess CCW permits if posted conspicuously.
The U of A and other universities appear to be making up their own rules. If the open areas of the campus are considered a "park" then CCW-permit holders must be allowed to carry there regardless of signage. As to the buildings, they are either state property or private property but they can't be both. Since these are not private schools but state schools it must be state property. Where are their storage lockers? I really don't want to be a "test" case here but I don't think they are legally allowed to prohibit weapons on campus unless they provide lockers. They may be allowed to come up with policies for students and employees but for the purposes of this argument, I am referring to members of the public. Any thoughts?