McCain Website on 2nd Amendment

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

Phoenixphire wrote:

Of course, you could always vote for the person who would best represent your values....


You know, Bob Barr?

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Voting for a candidate thatcan'twin will be giving away a very needed vote to keep out the Obomanation, we have to vote for the one we know will get elected! buy voting for Bob Barr who can't win no matter Howe much you wish for it will basically be voting for Oboma.

Please don't throw away your vote, there are only two people that will have a chance to make it into the Oval office and we have to pick the one that will do the least amount of damage to our rites and right now that is McCain.

And Yes I to wish we had better choices to pick from but we don't, so we have to do our best with what we have.:banghead:

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You somehow think that McCain will trample rights less than Obama? I agree that Obama hates our rights, but let's remember that in the last eight years, even the democrats in the legislatures haven't wanted to touch gun rights, they know it would be the last term for many fo them. But let's look at what rights have been in jeopardy, mainly 4th and 5th amendment rights as a result of the Patriot Act, which was deem necessary as a result of our "war on terror" that McCain is happy to continue for a hundred years. Obama may want to take our rights more, but a president at war is much more equipped to take away our rights because of the sheeples desire for safety. Tell me again who I should be more afraid of?

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

Phoenixphire wrote:

Of course, you could always vote for the person who would best represent your values....


You know, Bob Barr?

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Voting for a candidate thatcan'twin will be giving away a very needed vote to keep out the Obomanation, we have to vote for the one we know will get elected! buy voting for Bob Barr who can't win no matter Howe much you wish for it will basically be voting for Oboma.

Please don't throw away your vote, there are only two people that will have a chance to make it into the Oval office and we have to pick the one that will do the least amount of damage to our rites and right now that is McCain.

And Yes I to wish we had better choices to pick from but we don't, so we have to do our best with what we have.:banghead:

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Excuse me,...

But what I do with my vote is my own damn business. I will not be swayed from voting for principle and my conscience simply because there are people who think that they must choose between the lesser of two evils. That, in part, is what is wrong with our country today- we compromise a little every day, every election year... and soon we are the frog in the pot, oblivious to the fact that we are already in boiling water.

Most people see a difference of night and day between McCain and Obama. They clearly have different world views and certainly different experiences- But they are both establishment darlings... both a means to an end... and both are willing to compromise. These candidates will spend us into slavery, will strip us of our inalienable rights, and ask us to help them do it- the difference is how they justify it-

McCain will ask you to do it for the security and safety of our country.

Obama will ask you to do it for humanity.

Either way, the result is the same.

With that in mind, I will vote for whoever I damn well please- preferably without the advice of the 'only two candidates' crowd.

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And that is you DAMN rite as a U.S citizen and more power to you, if you think you can make a difference with nothing more than a symbolic vote then have at it.

I don't knowwhere you come up with McCain takingaway your rites because of nationalsecurity, must be the state your from where they spreed a bunch of bilge instead of fact. you go ahead a believe what ever you like its yourDAMN rite and I wouldn't wantany one to think that you where deprived of your DAMN rites!!!

And before you get all bent outa shape on the DAMNcrack about your DAMNstate, I have earned my DAMN rite to say any DAMNthing about your DAMN state due to the fact I spent 38 DAMNyearsliving there listening to DAMNpeople like you.

So you go ahead and vote for any one you DAMN well feel like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

Phoenixphire wrote:

Of course, you could always vote for the person who would best represent your values....


You know, Bob Barr?

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buy voting for Bob Barr who can't win no matter Howe much you wish for it will basically be voting for Oboma.

Please don't throw away your vote, there are only two people that will have a chance to make it into the Oval office and we have to pick the one that will do the least amount of damage to our rites and right now that is McCain.

And Yes I to wish we had better choices to pick from but we don't, so we have to do our best with what we have.:banghead:

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Chances that either major party candidate will be asked to make a decision in the next 4 years that could do direct damage to 2A or OC rights < 1%, IMHO.

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

And that is you DAMN rite as a U.S citizen and more power to you, if you think you can make a difference with nothing more than a symbolic vote then have at it.

I don't knowwhere you come up with McCain takingaway your rites because of nationalsecurity, must be the state your from where they spreed a bunch of bilge instead of fact. you go ahead a believe what ever you like its yourDAMN rite and I wouldn't wantany one to think that you where deprived of your DAMN rites!!!

And before you get all bent outa shape on the crack about your state, I have earned my DAMN rite to say any thing about your state due to the fact I spent 38yrs living there listening to people like you.

So you go ahead and vote for any one you DAMN well feel like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I realize California is filled with candy ass, granola crunching, tie-dyed, vegetarian socialists. You can say whatever you like about them. You can say whatever you like about me too. It's your right.

I cannot vote for McCain because he has demonstrated that he does not support or defend our Constitutionagainst enemies foriegn or domestic. This truly should be our criterion for selecting a President, but our people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. American voters have no idea what the Constitution says anymore and accept credentials of candidates without the ability to measure them against our founding document.

McCain doesnt measure up, supporting 'free trade' (which cost us dearly)through NAFTA, GATT and the WTO, having voted for the USA PATRIOT Act, and supported loosening immigration controls with the open borders crowd.

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

Phoenixphire wrote:

Of course, you could always vote for the person who would best represent your values....


You know, Bob Barr?

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Voting for a candidate thatcan'twin will be giving away a very needed vote to keep out the Obomanation, we have to vote for the one we know will get elected! buy voting for Bob Barr who can't win no matter Howe much you wish for it will basically be voting for Oboma.

Please don't throw away your vote, there are only two people that will have a chance to make it into the Oval office and we have to pick the one that will do the least amount of damage to our rites and right now that is McCain.

And Yes I to wish we had better choices to pick from but we don't, so we have to do our best with what we have.:banghead:

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Well, I might be feeding the trolls here, but it sounds fun today, so....


So, what you are saying is, that I should vote for who the two major parties say I should? That these corporate interests, who fund these multi-million dollar campaigns, say I should?

That I should not vote with my principles, or with the candidate who I think will best serve this nation as a public servant?

Basically, saying that Barr can not win is a self-fulfilling prophesy. There could literally be 1/3 of the voting public that would think he is the best choice, but each of them would say "Well, I don't want to waste my vote..."

When you set aside your principles, what do you have left?

Use your vote to speak YOUR mind, not what others tell you that you should think.

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

I don't knowwhere you come up with McCain takingaway your rites

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asforme wrote:

Mack 12ga. wrote:

I don't knowwhere you come up with McCain takingaway your rites

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I believe he was referring to better use of police, not the gun control. He said "Keeping the known criminals under control" and using police to "clamp down" on crime areas. He didn't say anything about guns.

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http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Obama's quote says he believes the Second Amendment "CONFERS" an individual right to keep and bear arms.

This tells you a number of things:

1) The supposed Harvard scholar on constitutional law doesn't even realize the Bill of Rights CONFERS absolutely nothing.

2) He evidently thinks of our constitutional rights as privileges confered by government authority, hence capable of being restricted or rescinded by the same authority.

This man is an empty suit and is not ready for prime time.

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“Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ Obama said, “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me.’’


I say, it is just one of the reasons!

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Phoenixphire wrote:

Mack 12ga. wrote:

Phoenixphire wrote:

Of course, you could always vote for the person who would best represent your values....


You know, Bob Barr?

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Voting for a candidate thatcan'twin will be giving away a very needed vote to keep out the Obomanation, we have to vote for the one we know will get elected! buy voting for Bob Barr who can't win no matter Howe much you wish for it will basically be voting for Oboma.

Please don't throw away your vote, there are only two people that will have a chance to make it into the Oval office and we have to pick the one that will do the least amount of damage to our rites and right now that is McCain.

And Yes I to wish we had better choices to pick from but we don't, so we have to do our best with what we have.:banghead:

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Well, I might be feeding the trolls here, but it sounds fun today, so....


So, what you are saying is, that I should vote for who the two major parties say I should? That these corporate interests, who fund these multi-million dollar campaigns, say I should?

That I should not vote with my principles, or with the candidate who I think will best serve this nation as a public servant?

Basically, saying that Barr can not win is a self-fulfilling prophesy. There could literally be 1/3 of the voting public that would think he is the best choice, but each of them would say "Well, I don't want to waste my vote..."

When you set aside your principles, what do you have left?

Use your vote to speak YOUR mind, not what others tell you that you should think.

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No all I'm saying is that during the primary's is when we all come together and voice our opinion on who we would like to represent us as a country , that time has passed , now we should look at who realistically has a chance for the office , I did not vote for ether of these two, I would have like another person, but now because so many people have spoken on who they want there is no way any one other than these two that has a chance , so we all have to face reality and pick the best of the two.

I know it sucks but thats the way it works, and it is a fact that when you vote now for some one other than these two, you are basically throwing away your vote only because whom ever you vote for doesn't stand a Snow balls chance of getting in.

We might not like it, but reality sucks and you will never at this point be able to get any one in other than these two, so go ahead and vote your con-chess it wont make any difference except help the other party.

In four years you will have another chance to try and get your guy in, you wont be able to do any thing about it this time around , SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS BUT THATS THE WAY IT IS.

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+1 Reality sucks, but that is life. We must make the best of a bad situation.

Do you know who is running for other offices and what their strengths and weaknesses are? Time to find out if you don't know yet.

Yata hey

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REMEMBER, SCOTUS appointments. A percentage will always vote thier party and ignore the Constistition being destroyed.

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Mack 12ga. wrote:

No all I'm saying is that during the primary's is when we all come together and voice our opinion on who we would like to represent us as a country , that time has passed , now we should look at who realistically has a chance for the office , I did not vote for ether of these two, I would have like another person, but now because so many people have spoken on who they want there is no way any one other than these two that has a chance , so we all have to face reality and pick the best of the two.

I know it sucks but thats the way it works, and it is a fact that when you vote now for some one other than these two, you are basically throwing away your vote only because whom ever you vote for doesn't stand a Snow balls chance of getting in.

We might not like it, but reality sucks and you will never at this point be able to get any one in other than these two, so go ahead and vote your con-chess it wont make any difference except help the other party.

In four years you will have another chance to try and get your guy in, you wont be able to do any thing about it this time around , SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS BUT THATS THE WAY IT IS.

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Whew.

Good thing that people accept things the way they are.

Because, you know, accepting things the way they are is why that we are a British colony.

Also, accepting things the way they are is why the "negros" will only be counted as 3/5ths of a person.

Plus, accepting things as they are is why women don't vote.


Hold on! Wait! We didn't just say "that's the way it is"! We actually took a stand on principle, and made a few changes for the better.

So, on election day, you go right ahead and vote for the "lesser of two evils".

Me, I will stand by my principles, and vote for who I believe will best serve our country.


"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything." - Alexander Hamilton


Edit: Libertarian Party Principles: http://www.lp.org/platform

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The primaries were the time to select who the viable contenders would be.
A vote for anyone else is a symbolic gesture which will be lost on the two major candidates - in fact few beyond your own circle will ever know of it.

Nevertheless, I understand why you feel that is what you must do.
Vote your conscience - that's good - it's the democratic way.
Just don't forget to flush.

Yata hey

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Phoenixphire wrote:

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So, on election day, you go right ahead and vote for the "lesser of two evils".

Me, I will stand by my principles, and vote for who I believe will best serve our country.

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Well, ya have to do whatever lets you sleep at night.

I, too, wish a Libertarian candidate had a chance at winning. What's it going to take? I really don't know, but unfortunately, it ain't gonna happen this election. So I think we had better make sure the lesser evil gets elected.

...Hopefully we won't need every last vote to win...
...Orygunner...

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This kind of talk is the very reason a Libertarian will not be elected. Everyone votes for the Repub or Dem because they are convinced a Libertarian cant win. Well, no wonder the Libertarian cant win! It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. DUH!

Remember, as of right now, Barr is tied for the lead.

Also, remember, under the electoral system, your vote doesnt count outside of your state. If a candidate is believed to have your state wrapped up, then why not vote for a Libertarian?

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I never was a libertarian, I vote Conservative which happens to be Republicans. and I still wish another man would have gotten the nomination, although I really do like Palin I think she will do a good job and this will be a goodplace for her to start.

If we are one day to have a female Prez. then this is the lady that I'd like to see get into office, this will be a great learning experience for her, and until she proves that she is for her self and not the nation then I'll keep supporting her.

And yes this is not a job that you can train for out of the office, this job is different for each president and its a on the job training position.

And although McCain wouldn't be my choice, I would much rather have him the the Obomanation.

So go ahead vote your principles and see how far that will get you, just remember if Oboma git's in office then you will have no one to blame but your self.

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Panos1296 wrote:

This kind of talk is the very reason a Libertarian will not be elected.  Everyone votes for the Repub or Dem because they are convinced a Libertarian cant win.  Well, no wonder the Libertarian cant win!  It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.  DUH!

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Thats just not true though it is often the excuse that third party true believers cling to. Theoretically it makes sense but the truth of the matter is a Libertarian can't win because no libertarian has been a governor (or a senator). There are no libertarian governors because a libertarian hasn't been a mayor of a major city. No major city has had a libertarian mayor because a libertarian hasn't won a seat on the council to springboard a mayoral run. A libertarian hasn't been elected to a major city council because people have their heads in the ground on the local level and don't think that a libertarian can win the few thousand votes they need to get the council spot.

Now, don't tell me that the 200+million people who are going to vote in the election have to have a kumbayah moment together and decide to vote for Bob Barr when they aren't willing to vote for a candidate who can actually win in their city with a few thousand votes. It's a crawl walk run model and it needs to be adhered too. The only exception is a self made multi billionaire Libertarian who has the financial backing, business savvy and the street cred in order to make people suspend reality and believe he can win...a Ross Perot type whose less crazy.

Until one of those two things happen your just having a pipe dream. And that has nothing to do with a defeatist attitude towards things never changing. Quite the contrary, it's the realistic approach to have the change happen.

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'Conservatives' and republicans, Really?

The GOP fooled me, a 'republican' for forty years, once with Bush-41, shame on them. The GOP fooled me twice with Bush-43 to my undying shame. The repugnant GOP will not fool me again. Better a conservative than more of the GOP.