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Wal-Marts??
- Thread starter MillerMP
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suntzu
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MillerMP wrote:
MillerMP wrote:
If the laws of Missouri allow the open carry of firearms--what you should have told the "asset protection manager" is that you will contact corporate office and speak to them, because it is the policy of walmart to follow the laws of the states in which each store resides...if you contact their corporate office and tell them what happened and simply tell them that you will take your shopping somewhere else if this is the attitude of the store--a memeber of their "management" will most likely contact you saying how sorry they are because you were mistreated... This is my advice anyway.
Mike
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MillerMP wrote:
MillerMP wrote:
Unless an agent of the store ordered you to leave, you should have nonchalantly said somthing like, "I'm shoppiing right now, so please leave me alone, but for your informtion, I do not need any permit to own a gun nor carry it openly, and Wal*Mart corporate policy is to allow customer gun carry in accordance with the laws of each state, so have a good day, and excuse me now gentlmen."
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MillerMP wrote:
MillerMP wrote:
I had a few encounters with Wal-Mart employees (read my threads) The manager of Wal-Mart in jackson told me that he called the Corp. office and they told him that they did NOT want any of thier stores posted. All the encounters I had with them were of a friendly nature, I was never realy asked to leave the store, one associate did tell me I wasnt allowed to carry in the store and I very politely told her that if the store wasnt posted for no weapons it was totally legal according to Mo. laws.
Task Force 16
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suntzu wrote:
The portion that I've highlighted seems to be an open ended policy. I'll explain.
If Wal*Mart's National Corp HQ has issued this as policy, but leaves it up to their store Gen Managers to handle this issue in accordance with their respective states laws, it could result in variances of individual store policies while still being in compliance with state laws. I believe that in most states, private businesses have the right to ban firearms from their premises.
So lets take three different Wallyworlds in Tennessee.
Store #1 has a progun Gen Manager. He/She elects to allow firearms to be carried (CC or OC) on the premises. Unless of course the store is located in a area that may be prodominently anti-gun, in which case he/she may have to ban firearms so as not to see sales fall off. These managers have to maintain health sales figures if they want to keep their jobs.
Store #2 has a Middle of the road Gen Manager. He/She may not allow OC in this store and mayrequire you to conceal while shopping in the store.
Store #3 has a staunch Anti-gun Gen Manager. He/She doesn't want firearms on the premises. They may not catch all the CC'ers, but the OC'ers are going to get the boot everytime they come in. Unless of course the store is located in a prodominently pro-gun area, in which case they may have to allow firearmsto keep sales up.
All three stores (not sure about #2) would seem to be in compliance of Tenn State Laws, thereby following Walmart National Corp policy.
As for posting signs prohibiting firearms in places of business,Tennessee statute states:
I don't know if Corp HQ wishes to have their stores posted or not, but if "Shall be posted" means the same as "Shall issue" (Tn is a "Shall issue state in regards to HGP's) I would think that any store or business would have to post signage declaring them off limits to firearms, in Tenn. If they don't post the signs, they can still ask you to leave the premises and they don't have to give you a reason.
And, I think that a trespess conviction while armed can cost you your HGP in this state.
I haven't started carrying yet, as I'm waiting for my permit to be issued. In the mean time I'm trying to familiarize myself with the laws, before I start stomping around in the mine field.
suntzu wrote:
The portion that I've highlighted seems to be an open ended policy. I'll explain.
If Wal*Mart's National Corp HQ has issued this as policy, but leaves it up to their store Gen Managers to handle this issue in accordance with their respective states laws, it could result in variances of individual store policies while still being in compliance with state laws. I believe that in most states, private businesses have the right to ban firearms from their premises.
So lets take three different Wallyworlds in Tennessee.
Store #1 has a progun Gen Manager. He/She elects to allow firearms to be carried (CC or OC) on the premises. Unless of course the store is located in a area that may be prodominently anti-gun, in which case he/she may have to ban firearms so as not to see sales fall off. These managers have to maintain health sales figures if they want to keep their jobs.
Store #2 has a Middle of the road Gen Manager. He/She may not allow OC in this store and mayrequire you to conceal while shopping in the store.
Store #3 has a staunch Anti-gun Gen Manager. He/She doesn't want firearms on the premises. They may not catch all the CC'ers, but the OC'ers are going to get the boot everytime they come in. Unless of course the store is located in a prodominently pro-gun area, in which case they may have to allow firearmsto keep sales up.
All three stores (not sure about #2) would seem to be in compliance of Tenn State Laws, thereby following Walmart National Corp policy.
As for posting signs prohibiting firearms in places of business,Tennessee statute states:
I don't know if Corp HQ wishes to have their stores posted or not, but if "Shall be posted" means the same as "Shall issue" (Tn is a "Shall issue state in regards to HGP's) I would think that any store or business would have to post signage declaring them off limits to firearms, in Tenn. If they don't post the signs, they can still ask you to leave the premises and they don't have to give you a reason.
And, I think that a trespess conviction while armed can cost you your HGP in this state.
I haven't started carrying yet, as I'm waiting for my permit to be issued. In the mean time I'm trying to familiarize myself with the laws, before I start stomping around in the mine field.
RU98A
Campaign Veteran
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Task Force 16 wrote:
Task Force 16 wrote:
KBCraig
Regular Member
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Mike wrote:
Mike wrote:
Ummm, Mike, the store's asset protection manager is indisputably an agent of the store.