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    Just got back from a 16 day trip on the motorcycle to visit Mom, Sis and Aunt in Ohio. It's sad when in the USA, I can't legally carryprotection for my trip across all the states, therefore I was denied the ability to protect my self for the entire trip. I do carry a nice Cold Steel folder and have quick access to a cane, but that's not the point. Where the heck is the 2A on a national basis? Other than that, the trip was wonderful and a much needed rest and visit with homefolk.

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    Not sure I understand why you couldn't have your firearm with you. Running the trip through the calculator at carry concealed dot net indicates you could open OR conceal through most of your trip.

    I'm not trying to be confrontational, just curious.
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    MY EYES! MY EYES! The visual of you naked will give me nightmares and put me in therapy for years. Glad you made it back. So when are we gonna do a lunch or dinners, Tubby?

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    With my Washington CPP and my New Hampshire non-resident permit I can legally carry a concealed weapon in 28 states. In the states that I can't legally carry concealed I unload the pistol and put it in my saddlebag. Under federal law since I am traveling from a state where I can legally possess a firearm to another state where I can legally possess a firearm I have the right to transport my firearm through that state, so long as I comply with their vehicle storage laws. I recently traveled to Niagara Falls, NY on my Harley with a pistol. I have traveled to South Carolina, Florida, Iowa, and all points in between, all with a pistol.

    There is no need to be naked.

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    There were states I could have had the weapon in one saddle bag and a speed loader the the other, but that's awful slow, IMO, and beside the point I was making. There should be national carry, open or otherwise, to comform to the recent ruling and the 2A in general. Had I been in the car, I think I would have done it differently (which come to think about it, should have been no different than a scoot). Anyway...........

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    heresolong wrote:
    With my Washington CPP and my New Hampshire non-resident permit I can legally carry a concealed weapon in 28 states. In the states that I can't legally carry concealed I unload the pistol and put it in my saddlebag. Under federal law since I am traveling from a state where I can legally possess a firearm to another state where I can legally possess a firearm I have the right to transport my firearm through that state, so long as I comply with their vehicle storage laws. I recently traveled to Niagara Falls, NY on my Harley with a pistol. I have traveled to South Carolina, Florida, Iowa, and all points in between, all with a pistol.

    There is no need to be naked.
    What was necessary to get a non-resident CCL (ie, be there in person?)? I heard Utah would do that for you, as well...............

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    BlaineG wrote:
    heresolong wrote:
    With my Washington CPP and my New Hampshire non-resident permit I can legally carry a concealed weapon in 28 states. In the states that I can't legally carry concealed I unload the pistol and put it in my saddlebag. Under federal law since I am traveling from a state where I can legally possess a firearm to another state where I can legally possess a firearm I have the right to transport my firearm through that state, so long as I comply with their vehicle storage laws. I recently traveled to Niagara Falls, NY on my Harley with a pistol. I have traveled to South Carolina, Florida, Iowa, and all points in between, all with a pistol.

    There is no need to be naked.
    What was necessary to get a non-resident CCL (ie, be there in person?)? I heard Utah would do that for you, as well...............
    Application for Non-resident Pistol/Revolver License

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    heresolong wrote:
    I recently traveled to Niagara Falls, NY on my Harley with a pistol.
    Am I mising something about New York?

    They do not honor any other state permit, and I was under the impression that a license is needed to possess a firearm anywherein the state.
    I can tell you've been Rady8ed, you have a nice glow about you.

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    rady8um wrote:
    heresolong wrote:
    I recently traveled to Niagara Falls, NY on my Harley with a pistol.
    Am I mising something about New York?

    They do not honor any other state permit, and I was under the impression that a license is needed to possess a firearm anywherein the state.
    Although NY law requires a permit to transport a pistol I believe that federal law trumps this in that it specifically allows Americans to travel through the states with their firearms. I cannot find the exact law right now but according to the NRA's Federal Gun Laws brochure it states:

    Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess it to any other place where he may lawfully possess such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
    I am willing to be a test case if it comes down to it. I would have had no problems fighting this if arrested in NY. I certainly am not going to go disarmed for three to five weeks while I travel the country just because NY thinks it is above the law.

    The other thing you have going for you is that unless you consent they can't search your luggage without probably cause so any search, so long as you are generally law abiding, is probably illegal if you aren't stupid enough to consent to a search. (And contrary to what some people would have you believe, failure to consent to a search is not probably cause to get a warrant).



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    heresolong wrote:
    rady8um wrote:
    heresolong wrote:
    I recently traveled to Niagara Falls, NY on my Harley with a pistol.
    Am I mising something about New York?

    They do not honor any other state permit, and I was under the impression that a license is needed to possess a firearm anywherein the state.
    Although NY law requires a permit to transport a pistol I believe that federal law trumps this in that it specifically allows Americans to travel through the states with their firearms. I cannot find the exact law right now but according to the NRA's Federal Gun Laws brochure it states:

    Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess it to any other place where he may lawfully possess such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
    I am willing to be a test case if it comes down to it. I would have had no problems fighting this if arrested in NY. I certainly am not going to go disarmed for three to five weeks while I travel the country just because NY thinks it is above the law.

    The other thing you have going for you is that unless you consent they can't search your luggage without probably cause so any search, so long as you are generally law abiding, is probably illegal if you aren't stupid enough to consent to a search. (And contrary to what some people would have you believe, failure to consent to a search is not probably cause to get a warrant).

    Your statement makes it sound like your destination was Niagara Falls, which means you were not traveling thru, but stopping there. The Federal law would not cover you as it is for traversing a state, not terminating your trip there.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Your statement makes it sound like your destination was Niagara Falls, which means you were not traveling thru, but stopping there. The Federal law would not cover you as it is for traversing a state, not terminating your trip there.
    Nope. Stopped to see Niagara Falls on the way through New York state. Did not spend the night there.

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    heresolong wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    Your statement makes it sound like your destination was Niagara Falls, which means you were not traveling thru, but stopping there. The Federal law would not cover you as it is for traversing a state, not terminating your trip there.
    Nope. Stopped to see Niagara Falls on the way through New York state. Did not spend the night there.
    That makes it clearer.

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    New York--- New York prohibits the transportation of handguns except by a resident with a license to carry.
    A member or coach of an accredited college or university target pistol team may transport a handgun into or through New York to participate in a collegiate, Olympic or target pistol shooting competition provided that the handgun is unloaded and carried in a separate locked container.
    Nonresident target shooters may enter or pass through New York State with handguns for purposes of any NRA approved competition if the competitor has in his possession a copy of the match program, proof of entry and a pistol license from his state of residence. The handgun must be unloaded and transported in a fully opaque container.
    New York State has strict laws governing illegal possession of handguns which can result in a possible seven year jail sentence for offenders.
    A special caution: New York law presumes that an individual stopped in possession of five or more handguns, without a state permit, possesses the handguns for illegal sale, thus subjecting this person to an increased sentence.
    New York is the only state in the Union which prohibits the transportation of handguns without a license. Law-abiding citizens should therefore be particularly careful since they face severe consequences should they inadvertently violate the state's myriad, technical, anti-gun provisions.
    New York City--- New York City requires a city permit for possession and transportation of handguns and long guns. New York State handgun permits are invalid within the city limits; however, New York State residents may transport their licensed handguns unloaded through the city if these are locked in a container and the trip is continuous. Rifles and shotguns may be kept in the city for only 24 hours while in transit and these must be unloaded and stored in a locked container or automobile trunk for the period.
    New York City forbids the possession of an ``assault weapon,'' which includes various specified semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, or revolving shotgun. It is also unlawful to possess an ``ammunition feeding device'' capable of holding more than 17 rounds in a handgun, and more than 5 rounds in a rifle or shotgun.
    In all cases, the general rule should be observed. The New York State law on illegal possession applies to the city as well.
    http://www.cjrpc.org/INTERSTATE_1.htm

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    Why isn't that whole POS state boycotted? My fiancee is not happy that I refuse to go there but she at least understands and respects my conviction.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    New York--- New York prohibits ...snip... The New York State law on illegal possession applies to the city as well.
    http://www.cjrpc.org/INTERSTATE_1.htm
    All of which is preempted by Federal Law for people driving through. Sort of like Washington's preemption statute. Although there are warnings here and there that NY does not follow federal law, I believe that this would be overturned if challenged, just like we are doing in Washington.

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    I know how you feel; my wife and I got back from a two week trip to Alaska last week. WA is OK with open carry, and so's AK, but there are a lot of socialists in between (BC and Yukon in Canada) . I considered trying to get a PAL (Posession and Acquisition License) so I could at least carry one of my handguns (in the trunk, in a locked container - no open carry, and concealed carry permits are pretty much impossible to get), but I didn't have enough time to do the C(R)FSB (Canadian (Restricted) Firearms Safety Board test; two tests are needed to carry restricted weapons, which handguns are, except for my SA EMP, which is "prohibited" due to its barrel being under 5").

    Had a great time anyway; drove the Alaska highway end to end, visited Fairbanks, Denali National Park, and Jasper National Park in Alberta, Canada on the way back. There were certainly times where I would have felt safer armed, though.

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