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    The wife's target

    HK P30

    5 Rounds from 7 yards





    LEO's target

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    50 Rounds from 7 yards



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    I keep putting 50 rounds through tiny targets and then wondering why they always look like such close groupings.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    I keep putting 50 rounds through tiny targets and then wondering why they always look like such close groupings.
    Not sure how tiny you think these are.

    These are 12 x 12 so there is plenty or room for error.

    I have seen full body targets from the same distance look like they were hit with a shot gun.


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    Good shootin'.

    Have you see the targets for the VCDL September e-Postal match? Check this out. They don't look so difficult until you print them on 8-1/2 x 11 paper.
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    Tess wrote:
    Good shootin'.

    Have you see the targets for the VCDL September e-Postal match? Check this out. They don't look so difficult until you print them on 8-1/2 x 11 paper.
    I found these...

    http://members.cox.net/sailorcurt/silhouet.pdf

    I will be printing them out and giving it a try..

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    LEO 229 wrote:
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    I keep putting 50 rounds through tiny targets and then wondering why they always look like such close groupings.
    Not sure how tiny you think these are.

    These are 12 x 12 so there is plenty or room for error.

    I have seen full body targets from the same distance look like they were hit with a shot gun.


    Yea I've seen some real winners at the range too. I was just commenting on the fact that 50 rounds through a single target, even a 12x12, is useless. A mag or two usually gives a better idea of actual grouping size.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
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    I keep putting 50 rounds through tiny targets and then wondering why they always look like such close groupings.
    Not sure how tiny you think these are.

    These are 12 x 12 so there is plenty or room for error.

    I have seen full body targets from the same distance look like they were hit with a shot gun.
    Yea I've seen some real winners at the range too. I was just commenting on the fact that 50 rounds through a single target, even a 12x12, is useless. A mag or two usually gives a better idea of actual grouping size.
    Oh, I agree with you... and I did see the grouping on the first two mags. After you can see that your grouping is tight you do not discard the target do you?

    There is a bullseye you can still shoot out and that is what I did. The challenge is to continue and not shoot a stray. This adds a little pressure and that is good for training.

    The wife and I shoot no more than 50 rounds per target andwe replace them.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    I found these...

    http://members.cox.net/sailorcurt/silhouet.pdf

    I will be printing them out and giving it a try..
    So, which silhouette do you shoot at? The gray or the black or both?
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    That's pretty darn consistent shootin' there LEO 229. Your new avatar cracks me up.Is heincognito or the bag man? Just kidding. Fun post.

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    Ruger M77 .270 @200yd. Ignore the guy low and left, that's a stray from a different gun.

    Hey, you never specified pistol. Implied, yes, but since I don't have a pistol target handy I'm gonna bend the rules a bit.

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    rodbender wrote:
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    I found these...

    http://members.cox.net/sailorcurt/silhouet.pdf

    I will be printing them out and giving it a try..
    So, which silhouette do you shoot at? The gray or the black or both?
    You shoot at the one that would be "behind" the other. The gray is the innocent person being used as a shield.

    It is a hostage shoot... you do NOT want to hit the one in front.

    So you shoot the black only.... Unless you do not care. :shock:

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    Ruger M77 .270 @200yd. Ignore the guy low and left, that's a stray from a different gun.

    Hey, you never specified pistol. Implied, yes, but since I don't have a pistol target handy I'm gonna bend the rules a bit.
    You using a scope? That's cheat'n

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    So you shoot the black only.... Unless you do not care. :shock:
    Yeah, you cops always want to shoot the black guy don't you . BTW That's a joke, I know better.
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    LEO 229 wrote:
    LEO's target

    Glock 26

    50 Rounds from 7 yards


    Nice shooting, LEO. Now I'd really be impressed if you shot thatgroup with your MP5.

    Here's my bragging target: AR-15 10 shots at 100 yards withopen sights.






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    LEO 229 wrote:
    You using a scope? That's cheat'n
    Aw, why ya gotta be like that?

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    What does target shooting have to do with combat shooting? Either way...looks fun. What size target is that?

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    rodbender wrote:
    So, which silhouette do you shoot at? The gray or the black or both?
    At http://blog.vcdl.org/index.php?/arch...tal-Match.html are the rules for shooting these targets, and getting bragging rights.

    On 8-1/2x11 paper, at 7 yds, tack up all 4 targets, shoot 5 rounds at each. Each round in or touching the black is 5 pts, each round in or touching the gray is -5 points, outside the silhouettes counts 0.
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    Looks interesting! I'll "give it a shot" (20 of them) the next time I go to the range.
    "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke


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    Top target was 50rds with a rented Kimber Custom II that had not been cleaned in God knows how long.



    Bottom target was my Hi-power after doing somework on the feedramp to confirm reliability...not exactly taking my time shooting, just popping off rounds quickly to make sure it wouldn't doublefeed or FTE.



    Both targets were around 10yds.

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    wow 7 yards. good thing most pistol gun fights are at very close range

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    50 shots at 7 yards w/ Taurus MilPro PT-140




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    Sheriff wrote:
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    wow 7 yards. good thing most pistol gun fights are at very close range
    In reality though, the bad guydoesn't stand still like the target does.

    A good grouping on a paper target makes people over-confident in their skills.
    That's true. But bullet placement is everything, and you have to start somewhere.
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    Bookman wrote:
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    wow 7 yards. good thing most pistol gun fights are at very close range
    In reality though, the bad guydoesn't stand still like the target does.

    A good grouping on a paper target makes people over-confident in their skills.
    That's true. But bullet placement is everything, and you have to start somewhere.
    Training done in steps...

    If you cannot hit the target at all that is motionless..... how can you expect to ever hit it while it is moving!!??

    I think self defence by most here will involve close up confrontations anyway. Criminals are not going to get involved in a long and drawn out shootout as they bob and weave behind cover.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Criminals are not going to get involved in a long and drawn out shootout as they bob and weave behind cover.

    SNIP
    Oh, you mean like the Bank,train, mall, college, school, church, diner and grocery storemass murderers just to name a few.

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    I hopeany criminal I may have to faceis a poor shot, unlucky and has aunloaded gun.





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    forgot something.
    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    LEO 229 wrote:
    The wife's target

    HK P30

    5 Rounds from 7 yards





    LEO's target

    Glock 26

    50 Rounds from 7 yards




    Nice shootin, you and Mom got it figured out, 50 rounds in one target, I don't see a problem with that myself, looks like your instinctive shooting skills are second to none.. Don't see 1 flyer. 50 rounds in one bad guy hopefully never, but why blow out 10 or more targets when 1 serves the purpose.

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