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    Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me.’’

    ...anyone got the video of this?




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    I read about this just a few minutes ago. What a bonehead. Gives himself away a lot doesn't he?
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    DonTreadOnMe wrote:
    Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me.’’
    Not the only reason. Besides being anti second ammendment how about being anti-American, communist, racist, terrorist coddling, and totally unsuited to even be a community organizer let alone POTUS as reasons not to vote for nObama?

    We need a leader, not someone who's only "present" when something needs to be done.

    "You can teach 'em, but you cant learn 'em."

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    DonTreadOnMe wrote:
    Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me.’’

    ...anyone got the video of this?
    How's this sound if you substitute a few words and the speaker?

    "Even if I want to reinstate slavery, I don't have the votes in Congress," David Duke said. "This can't be the reason not to vote for me."

    My answer to both is, "Want to bet?"

    But then there are a LOT of people with fairly... rudimentary thought processes who will buy anything he says. This weekend, my mother's response to my comment about Obama hanging out with terrorists was, "That happened a long time ago!" With that in mind, there's no reason for her not to vote for Byron de la Beckwith, since he murdered Medgar Evers even farther back in time.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

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    I think this isthe video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_CnvbO50Q

    Here's the Wall Street Journal article, too:
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/0...our-guns-away/

    It's funny how he likes to mention sportsmen, and even once in a great while says it's ok to "protect your families." I hope that in the debates we get down to the nitty gritty, see what he believes about "shall issue" concealed carry, see what he thinks about the Evil Black Rifles, etc. etc.

    ...I'm hoping that America sees him for who he really is before it's too late! ...
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    Oh I thought you guys were talking about this one, where he calls his faith Muslim, than says I mean Christian.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8e0_1220876389

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    Tell the truth and it is easy to remember. Take a stand and tell us what you believe.

    Say what you think the people want to hear or what you think will be good for you and you will have a lot to remember - it will trip you up - it has in Osama's case.

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    Grapeshot wrote:

    Question of the day: Would you buy a used car from him?
    Nope



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    DonTreadOnMe wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    Question of the day: Would you buy a used car from him?
    Nope
    Not even with a warrantee of Change & Hope ?

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    A little more info on Obama and the 2A

    http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.a...3-a0a907400a23

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    he seems like a nice guy....


    dahm him and his sportsmen crap!!!! can't this man see that the 2a is not about hunting!!!!!


    it's KEEP and bear arms...he always leaves an important part out.

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    Orygunner wrote:
    I think this isthe video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_CnvbO50Q
    The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:

    He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,

    And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.

    Then, referring to "your gun[s]"he says:

    "By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:

    Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .

    This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."

    IMHO:

    1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;

    2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.



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    The Donkey wrote:
    Orygunner wrote:
    I think this isthe video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_CnvbO50Q
    The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:

    He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,

    And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.

    Then, referring to "your gun[s]"he says:

    "By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:

    Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .

    This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."

    IMHO:

    1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;

    2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.

    Obamas voting record is not misquoted,what he say's and what he does are two differant things.

    You said that all he wants to do is takeguns from criminals,,, explane to me how doing away with law abiding citizens having aCCW permit will efect only criminals other than making a crime safer for the perpeteator

    You are either very nieve or disallusioned.

    Like his friend Jerimia Wright said" Oboma is a politition, he will say what ever he needs to to get elected"

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    http://www.gunbanobama.com/



    Check this out and forward to all you know who are on the fence!

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    1st freedom wrote:
    The Donkey wrote:
    Orygunner wrote:
    I think this isthe video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_CnvbO50Q
    The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:

    He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,

    And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.

    Then, referring to "your gun[s]"he says:

    "By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:

    Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .

    This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."

    IMHO:

    1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;

    2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.

    Obamas voting record is not misquoted, what he say's and what he does are two differant things.

    You said that all he wants to do is takeguns from criminals,,, explane to me how doing away with law abiding citizens having aCCW permit will efect only criminals other than making a crime safer for the perpeteator

    You are either very nieve or disallusioned.

    Like his friend Jerimia Wright said" Oboma is a politition, he will say what ever he needs to to get elected"
    The point: this entire topic is based on a misquotation of what Obama actually said.

    You are welcome to disbelieveObama: approaching all candidateswithskepticism is a good idea. . . . ButtheDonkey is not moved whencommentators misquoteanyone to serve their own unique realities.

    IMO, whatObama actuallysays about his policy position in the video is genuine.

    BTW, I searched the anti-Obama site for evidence that Senator Obama voted against law abiding citizens having a CCW permit, and could not find anything to support this claim. Instead, it was mostly about what former DC DA Eric Holder might believe. Do you have the citation?



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    The Donkey wrote:
    And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.
    That doesn't make sense. Why would he only want to disarm his political base?




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    BTW, I searched the anti-Obama site for evidence that Senator Obama voted against law abiding citizens having a CCW permit, and could not find anything to support this claim. Instead, it was mostly about what former DC DA Eric Holder might believe. Do you have the citation?

    I'm not sure whether he's actually VOTED opposing CCW permits, but he has publicly stated he's against it:

    From this article: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html
    [Obama] differs with McCain and Clinton about whether people should be allowed to carry concealed guns. Clinton and McCain oppose outlawing it.

    "I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Obama said. "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations."
    And OK, so he's stated he's not going to take our guns. But that statement doesn't eliminate that he wouldn't want to register them, or ban sale of new ones (like signing a new Assault Weapons Ban), or oppose national Concealed Carry reciprocity between states, or appoint anti-gun rights judges.

    ...I feel dirty just reading Obama's quotes...
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    I never said that he voted on a national ban. but I did find this in the Chicago Tribune relating to his 2004 Senate race:



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    . . . In a February survey of Democratic primary candidates for the U.S. Senate by the Tribune, Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carried weapons except for law enforcement is needed. . . .

    Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
    • Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
    • Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
    • Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
    • Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

    Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Question of the day: Would you buy a used car from him?

    Yata hey
    Not a used car or a brand spanky new one. I am not Even buying the smelly stuff he is trying to sell to the people of this nation. I hope that everyone else wakes up and recognizes what he is shovelling at least by the smell if not by the words.

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    The Donkey wrote:
    The video is worth watching, ...
    Donk,

    You're a friendly guy and we enjoyed talking with you at the VCDL meeting; but you've killed your credibility...with me anyway...by:

    1. Almost completely disappearing from the forum after your candidate's, Sen. Webb (VA-D), election.

    2. Webb's lukewarm support for 2A.

    The video maymore accurately reflectSenator Obama's stated position, but I'm not buying the statements.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Thanks Ory & 1st Free for your substantive answers!

    IDHO, (In Donkey's Humble Opinion)no matter who gets to be Prez, state concealed carry is safe, but national CCR is not going anywhere in the next 4 years.



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    The Donkey wrote:
    Thanks Ory & 1st Free for your substantive answers!

    IDHO, (In Donkey's Humble Opinion)no matter who gets to be Prez, state concealed carry is safe, Not entirely convinced on this issue if Obama is elected and the dems, as expected, pick up seats in both houses. Pelosi, Reid and Obama are all very arrogant and have a history such that any election of Obama will be deemed a mandate for their agendas.

    but national CCR is not going anywhere in the next 4 years Finally something on which I can totally agree with you. As long as Pelosi and Reid control congress such a matter would not even make it to the floor for a vote and even if the GOP regained control of both houses in 2010 I doubt that they would have the votes or the political will to buck the Northeast states, IL and CA to pass such a measure. I certainly hope we are both absolutely wrong.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    He just told you what he would do if he was elected and had the votes in congress.....need I say more??

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    The Donkey wrote:
    Orygunner wrote:
    I think this isthe video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD_CnvbO50Q
    The video is worth watching, because Obama is misquoted above:

    He pledges to uphold 2A for self protection as well as sports,

    And that he will not, and does not want to, take guns away from anyone but criminals and the mentally ill.

    Then, referring to "your gun[s]"he says:

    "By the way, here's another thing you got to understand:

    Even if I wanted to take it away, I couldn't get it done. I don't have the votes in Congress. . .

    This can't be the reason not to vote for me; because your guns, we're not going to mess with them."

    IMHO:

    1. there is no difference between what Obama says about his opinions on guns in this video, and McCain's declared positions on guns;

    2. what Obama says about votes for gun control in Congress is correct.

    Sorry not buying it.
    I don't think this quote is taken out of context. Yeah I know McCain has said he was for closing the 'private sale loophole' but I feel he will listen to my objections to it more than Obama will and don't claim Obama was talking about full autos, the AWB had nothing to do with them.

    http://obama.senate.gov/speech/07071...ks_of_sena_12/

    Part of the solution has to come from government. And government has to care. Each year, thousands of guns are sold without the dealer doing a background check. And many unscrupulous dealers are exploiting the system by operating full-fledged businesses without following federal gun laws. To make sure guns don't end up in the wrong hands, we need to close the gun show loophole and tighten our background checks by improving the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. And we need to make the expired Assault Weapon ban permanent. A couple of weeks ago, cops found an AK-47 near a West Side School. That type of weapon belongs on a battlefield, not on our streets.

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    GASP ! I think he really means it too!

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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