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    I has no idea that one had to be that clean to get a CPL in Michigan.
    I would say if you had a CPL you must be a very good citizen.
    Wow!!!! see section 235a



    Concealed Pistol Permit-Requirements to Obtain One

    1. 21 years of age or older 2. Citizen of the United States or a
    Resident Alien 3. Resident of Michigan for at least 6 months 4.
    Successful completion of Pistol Safety Training Course 5. Cannot be
    subject to an order or disposition for any of the following:

    · Mental health order

    · Legally incapacitated

    · Involuntarily hospitalized

    · Been found not guilty by reason of insanity



    6. Not subject to a conditional bond release where firearm possession
    is prohibited 7. Not subject to a Personal Protection Order 8. Not
    prohibited by MCL 750.224f (felon in possession of a firearm) 9. Has
    never been convicted of a felony in Michigan or elsewhere 10. A
    felony charge is not pending against the applicant in Michigan or
    elsewhere 11. Has not been dishonorably discharged from the US Armed
    Forces 12. Has not been convicted of one of the following
    misdemeanors in the 8 years immediately preceding the date of
    application:

    · Section 617a of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.617a
    (failing to stop when involved in a personal injury accident).

    · Section 625 of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625,
    punishable as provided in subsection (9)(b) of that section (operating
    while intoxicated, second offense).

    · Section 625m of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625m
    punishable under subsection (4) of that section (drunk driving,
    commercial vehicle).

    · Section 626 of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.626
    (reckless driving).

    · Section 904(1) of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.904
    (driving while license suspended or revoked), punishable as a second or
    subsequent offense.

    · Section 185 of the aeronautics code of the state of Michigan, 1945 PA
    327, MCL 259.185 (operating aircraft while under the influence of
    intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance with prior conviction).

    · (Section 29 of the weights and measures act, 1964 PA 283, MCL 290.629
    (hindering or obstructing certain persons performing official weights
    and measures duties).

    · (Section 10 of the motor fuels quality act, 1984 PA 44, MCL 290.650
    (hindering, obstructing, assaulting, or committing bodily injury upon
    director or authorized representative).

    · Section 81134 of the natural resources and environmental protection
    act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.81134, punishable under subsection (5) or (6)
    of that section (operating ORV under the influence of intoxicating
    liquor or a controlled substance, second or subsequent offense).

    · Section 82127 of the natural resources and environmental protection
    act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.82127 (operating a snowmobile under the
    influence of intoxicating liquor or a controlled substance), punishable
    as a second or subsequent offense under section 82128(1)(b) or (c) of
    the natural resources and environmental protection act, 1994 PA 451,
    MCL324.82128.

    · Section 80176 of the natural resources and environmental protection
    act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.80176, and punishable under section
    80177(1)(b) (operating vessel under the influence of intoxicating liquor
    or a controlled substance, second or subsequent offense).

    · Section 7403 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7403.

    · Section 353 of the railroad code of 1993, 1993 PA 354, MCL 462.353
    (operating locomotive under the influence of intoxicating liquor or a
    controlled substance, or while visibly impaired), punishable under
    subsection (4) of that section.

    · Section 7 of 1978 PA 33, MCL 722.677 (displaying sexually explicit
    matter to minors).

    · Section 81 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.81
    (assault or domestic assault).

    · Section 81a(1) or (2) of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL
    750.81a (aggravated assault or aggravated domestic assault).

    · (Section 115 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.115
    (entering without breaking).

    · Section 136b(6) of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.136b
    (fourth degree child abuse).

    · (Section 145a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.145a
    (accosting, enticing, or soliciting a child for immoral purposes).

    · Section 145n of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.145n
    (vulnerable adult abuse).

    · Section 157b(3)(b) of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL
    750.157b (solicitation to commit a felony).

    · Section 215 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.215
    (impersonating peace officer or medical examiner).

    · Section 223 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.223
    (illegal sale of a firearm or ammunition).

    · Section 224d of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.224d
    (illegal sale of a self-defense spray).

    · Section 226a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.226a
    (sale or possession of a switchblade).

    · Section 227c of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.227c
    (improper transportation of a loaded firearm).

    · Section 228 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.228
    (failure to have a pistol inspected).

    · Section 229 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.229
    (accepting a pistol in pawn).

    · Section 232 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.232
    (failure to register the purchase of a firearm or a firearm component).

    · Section 232a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.232a
    (improperly obtaining a pistol, making a false statement on an
    application to purchase a pistol, or using false identification to
    purchase a pistol).

    · Section 233 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.233
    (intentionally aiming a firearm without malice).

    · Section 234 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.234
    (intentionally discharging a firearm aimed without malice).

    · Section 234d of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.234d
    (possessing a firearm on prohibited premises).

    · Section 234e of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.234e
    (brandishing a firearm in public).

    · Section 234f of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.234f
    (possession of a firearm by an individual less than 18 years of age).

    · Section 235 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.235
    (intentionally discharging a firearm aimed without malice causing
    injury).

    · Section 235a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.235a
    (parent of a minor who possessed a firearm in a weapon free school
    zone).


    · Section 236 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.236
    (setting a spring gun or other device).

    · Section 237 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237
    (possessing a firearm while under the influence of intoxicating liquor
    or a drug).

    · Section 237a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.237a
    (weapon free school zone violation).

    · Section 335a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.335a
    (indecent exposure).

    · Section 411h of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.411h
    (stalking).

    · Section 1 of 1952 PA 45, MCL 752.861 (reckless, careless, or negligent
    use of a firearm resulting in injury or death).

    · Section 2 of 1952 PA 45, MCL 752.862 (careless, reckless, or negligent
    use of a firearm resulting in property damage).

    · Section 3a of 1952 PA 45, MCL 752.863a (reckless discharge of a
    firearm).

    * A violation of a law of the United States, another state, or a
    local unit of government of this state or another state substantially
    corresponding to a violation described in subparagraphs (i) to (xlv).



    13. The applicant has not been convicted of one of the following in
    this state or elsewhere in the 3 years immediately preceding the date of
    application:

    · Section 625 of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625
    (operating under the influence).

    · Section 625a of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625a
    (refusal of commercial vehicle driver to submit to a chemical test).

    · Section 625k of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625k
    (negligently fails to comply).

    · Section 625l of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625l
    (circumventing an ignition interlocking device).

    · Section 625m of the Michigan vehicle code, 1949 PA 300, MCL 257.625m,
    punishable under subsection (3) of that section (operating a commercial
    vehicle with alcohol content).

    · Section 185 of the aeronautics code of the state of Michigan, 1945 PA
    327, MCL 259.185 (operating aircraft under the influence).

    · Section 81134 of the natural resources and environmental protection
    act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.81134 (operating ORV under the influence).

    · Section 81135 of the natural resources and environmental protection
    act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.81135 (operating ORV while visibly impaired).

    · Section 82127 of the natural resources and environmental protection
    act, 1994 PA 451, MCL 324.82127 (operating a snowmobile under the
    influence).

    · Part 74 of the public health code, 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.7401 to
    333.7461 (controlled substances).

    · Section 353 of the railroad code of 1993, 1993 PA 354, MCL 462.353
    (operating locomotive under the influence), punishable under subsection
    (3) of that section.

    · Section 167 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.167
    (disorderly person).

    · Section 174 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.174
    (embezzlement).

    · Section 218 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.218
    (false pretenses).

    · Section 356 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.356
    (larceny).

    · Section 356d of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.356d
    (retail fraud).

    · Section 359 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.359
    (larceny-vacant building).

    · Section 362 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.362
    (larceny by conversion).

    · Section 362a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.362a
    (defrauding lessor).

    · Section 377a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.377a
    (malicious destruction of property).

    · Section 380 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.380
    (malicious destruction of real property).

    · Section 479a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.479a
    (failure to obey police direction).

    · Section 535 of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.535
    (receiving stolen property).

    · Section 540e of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.540e
    (malicious use of telephones).

    · (xxv) A violation of a law of the United States, another state, or a
    local unit of government of this state or another state substantially
    corresponding to a violation described in subparagraphs (i) to
    (xxiv).The applicant has not been found guilty but mentally ill of any
    crime and has not offered a plea of not guilty of, or been acquitted of,
    any crime by reason of insanity.

    14. The applicant has NEVER been subject to an order of involuntary
    commitment due to a mental illness.

    15. The applicant does not have a diagnosed mental illness at the time
    the application is made regardless of whether he or she is receiving
    treatment.

    16. The applicant is not under a court order of legal incapacity.



    17. The applicant is not prohibited, under federal law, from possessing
    or transporting a firearm.


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    LaVere wrote:
    I has no idea that one had to be that clean to get a CPL in Michigan.
    I would say if you had a CPL you must be a very good citizen.
    Wow!!!! see section 235a


    The good thing about MI's CPL is it gives reformed criminals (such as myself ) a second chance by allowing expunged felons (set aside, pardoned) to still recieve their CPL with the 2001 legal update.
    The only terrorists I see nowadays are at the Capital.


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    I think that some group put a lot of thought into these requirements. They have eliminated that group of the population that has exhibited poor judgement (reckless driving, reckelss use or display of a weapon,etc.), problems with alcohol or substance abuse, problems with contols of temper (spousal abuse etc.), psycological issues (stalking, insanity, sex deviance, etc.), and a history of criminal activity without any evidence of a real recognition that crime is wrong. I found it surprizing that a convicted felon can get a CCW permit but am pretty sure that they have to meet a lot of requirements that the average citizen may have some problems with.

    Basically, if you talk to almost any cop, or prosecuting attourney, they have eliminated just about every type of individual who has caused the most problems for the legal system.

    It should also be noted that an NCIC background check is part of the process. Which means that if you once were convicted of robbing a Mom and Pop grocery in Guam (a US territory) you won't get a CCW permit. I have to wonder if they ever catch some applicants who were convicted of a crime in absentia, and who were unaware of that conviction,in that net. If so, I'll bet that was one real unpleasent surprize.

    I think that the whole point of the process is to insure to the greatest extent possible that those who can carry concealed are only those who can be trusted to do it responsibly. Unfortunately, it's not foolproof and there have been some CCW permit holders who, in hindsight, should not have been granted that license.

    See the following link. I grew up 5 miles south of Twinsburg and my brother still lives in the area so something like this happening was a bit of a shock. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum43/13590.html



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    Just FYI

    Reckless driving can be any 2 offenses.

    Speeding at 5mph over and running a yellow light :shockhow many people have done this?)

    Yes, a person that commits this heinous of a crime should never be allowed the right of self defense.



    It's my opinion that they really messed up the CPL requirements.

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    dougwg wrote:
    Just FYI

    Reckless driving can be any 2 offenses.

    Speeding at 5mph over and running a yellow light :shock: (how many people have done this?)

    Yes, a person that commits this heinous of a crime should never be allowed the right of self defense.



    It's my opinion that they really messed up the CPL requirements.
    I'm glad I never donethat.

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    Here's another.... ever take a whiz in public?

    · Section 335a of the Michigan penal code, 1931 PA 328, MCL 750.335a
    (indecent exposure).


    Thats right..... EVEN if you are out hunting on public land and nature calls, you can be charged with indecent exposure or urinating in public. Both of which will also land you on the sex offender registry.

    NO CPL FOR YOU!

    Yes, an awesome job those guys did in writing that lovely piece of....



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    Scooter123 wrote:
    I found it surprizing that a convicted felon can get a CCW permit but am pretty sure that they have to meet a lot of requirements that the average citizen may have some problems with.


    There are only a few requirements to for a previously convicted felon to have before being issued a CPL. Here is (in part) the requirement for previously convicted felons from the December 20th 2001 "Open Letter to the MSP and all Concerned Citizens" in the Firearms Laws of Michigan p213:



    Convicted on or after July 1, 2001:
    The felon is subject to the Federal firearms prohibition if the underlying felony conviction occurred on or after July 1, 2001. The felon is NOT relieved of this Federal disability by obtaining an expungement or set aside of the underlying conviction under Michigan law because the felon is still subject to the restriction under the new CCW law. In this situation, to avoid the Federal firearm prohibition, the felon must obtain a gubernatorial pardon.

    Convicted prior to July 1, 2001: The felon similarly is subject to the Federal prohibition if the underlying felony conviction occurred prior to July 1, 2001. In this case, to avoid the Federal firearm prohibition, prior to July 1, 2001, the felon must have completed all sentencing terms and conditions, and must have removed any and all firearms restrictions under the state’s felon-in-possession and predecessor CCW provisions; OR, prior to July 1, 2001, the felon must have received a set aside or expungement. Alternatively, a felon who obtained a gubernatorial pardon will also avoid the Federal firearms prohibition.
    The only terrorists I see nowadays are at the Capital.


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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    dougwg wrote:
    Just FYI

    Reckless driving can be any 2 offenses.

    Speeding at 5mph over and running a yellow light :shock: (how many people have done this?)

    Yes, a person that commits this heinous of a crime should never be allowed the right of self defense.



    It's my opinion that they really messed up the CPL requirements.
    I'm glad I never donethat.

    Stand back Doug; Springer has called forth the "The lightning bolt of truth", and you may get zapped.:P


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    WARCHILD wrote:
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    dougwg wrote:
    Just FYI

    Reckless driving can be any 2 offenses.

    Speeding at 5mph over and running a yellow light :shock: (how many people have done this?)

    Yes, a person that commits this heinous of a crime should never be allowed the right of self defense.



    It's my opinion that they really messed up the CPL requirements.
    I'm glad I never donethat.

    Stand back Doug; Springer has called forth the "The lightning bolt of truth", and you may get zapped.:P
    Meh, I stayed inside all day today...call me superstitious

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    dougwg wrote:
    Just FYI

    Reckless driving can be any 2 offenses.

    Speeding at 5mph over and running a yellow light :shock: (how many people have done this?)

    Yes, a person that commits this heinous of a crime should never be allowed the right of self defense.



    It's my opinion that they really messed up the CPL requirements.
    MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
    Act 300 of 1949

    257.626 Reckless driving on highway, frozen public lake, or parking place; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.


    Sec. 626.

    (1) A person who drives a vehicle upon a highway or a frozen public lake, stream, or pond or other place open to the general public, including, but not limited to, an area designated for the parking of motor vehicles, in willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property is guilty of reckless driving.

    (2) A person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 93 days or a fine of not more than $500.00, or both.

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