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I have to work.. I would have liked to have gone.
I have to work.. I would have liked to have gone.
I may go, but I'm figuring that the SS won't let firearms in the secured perimeter, also the Catholic school and public school in the same block could present roadblocks to lawful OC as well.
Outside of the secured perimeter and on the public sidewalk or street they wouldn't.I may go, but I'm figuring that the SS won't let firearms in the secured perimeter, also the Catholic school and public school in the same block could present roadblocks to lawful OC as well.
That's kind of like getting pushed off the sidewalk into the street by a LEO, then being arrested for jay walking isn't it?Unless for crowd control purposes they got routed through those places.
point takenEd, please be careful with your thread titles/sub-titles.
HEY, FELLAS!
This isa little bit dangerous, isn't it? I mean the thread title, "OC at...Rally."
Somewhere in the Mt. Jack arrrest threads somebody cited afederal statute regarding weapons near a person being protected by the Secret Service. I couldn't find it in the current stickied threads; but I know I'm not imagining this.
We need to make it very, very plain for new OCers and people who may not have followed the Mt. Jack threads that it is not a good idea to OC at the rally. Near the rally, outside the secure area, maybe--depending on the statute.
This is not a situation where you want to screw up on your law. Norwould you want a new OCer to have a mistaken idea and try to OCat the rally.
Ed, please be careful with your thread titles/sub-titles.
I don't think ed ever was talking about entering the secure perimeter - as that would be quite foolish, it just won't happen and you WILL be arrested (I would assume).Citizen wrote:HEY, FELLAS!
This isa little bit dangerous, isn't it? I mean the thread title, "OC at...Rally."
Somewhere in the Mt. Jack arrrest threads somebody cited afederal statute regarding weapons near a person being protected by the Secret Service. I couldn't find it in the current stickied threads; but I know I'm not imagining this.
We need to make it very, very plain for new OCers and people who may not have followed the Mt. Jack threads that it is not a good idea to OC at the rally. Near the rally, outside the secure area, maybe--depending on the statute.
This is not a situation where you want to screw up on your law. Norwould you want a new OCer to have a mistaken idea and try to OCat the rally.
Ed, please be careful with your thread titles/sub-titles.
I think the title should be changed, as it appears to ask whether or not anyone is planning on committing a crime. Who would you ask that? Why would anyone on this board do such a thing?
One of the reasons the open carry movement has been so successful is that we know the law so well - sometimes better than law enforcement. This has benefited us time and again. I follow the law and I expect others to do the same. Regardless of what you think of the law, it has been demonstrated on this board multiple times that federal law allows the Secret Service to maintain a gun free perimiter around a few specific people under very specific circumstances - and that certainly includes both John McCain and Sarah Palin at this particular time.If you disagree with the law, you should advocate for the law to be changed or start a philosophical argument as to whether or not current law is wise or productive (or not). As this site has grown, we have started attracting many new members. Let's be very clear about the state of federallaw - open carrytoo close toJohn McCain right now = get arrested.
As far as open carrying anywhere outside of the security perimter, that's up to you. Virginia (and especially Fairfax) now has so many open carriers, that any number of people could inadvertently open carry near a political rally, and there's no crime in that.
Most definitely arrest you and charge you. A fake gun is a "real" gun if it deceives the viewer.Could you open-carry a FAKE gun in order to get the point across and make your 2nd Amendment statement at the rally? Obviously you will get some crap for it but can they refuse you for it or have you arrested for it at all?
I think this would be a perfect place to make your point by wearing an empty holster. Nobody could make a valid argument that an empty holster even creates the appearance of a security threat, and IMHO it would be protected free speech.Could you open-carry a FAKE gun in order to get the point across and make your 2nd Amendment statement at the rally? Obviously you will get some crap for it but can they refuse you for it or have you arrested for it at all?
What if it looked "real" but had the orange tips on it to signify that it was a phony? Like perhaps you holstered a watergun. Is there a law that says that a watergun can not be sold with a carrying device such as some sort of holster? LOLricharcm wrote:Most definitely arrest you and charge you. A fake gun is a "real" gun if it deceives the viewer.Could you open-carry a FAKE gun in order to get the point across and make your 2nd Amendment statement at the rally? Obviously you will get some crap for it but can they refuse you for it or have you arrested for it at all?
Charge you with the same thing they charged Myn Jack with - disturbing the peace and maybe find more.
Yata hey
So its safe to say that there are those that would like to make a statement, w/o risking serious problems with LE. To make such a statement, it would seem to me that you would have to attract some level of attention (be noticed) otherwise you are making no statement (unnoticed.) Example: CCing 5 blocks beyond the secured perimeter does nothing.Grapeshot wrote:What if it looked "real" but had the orange tips on it to signify that it was a phony? Like perhaps you holstered a watergun. Is there a law that says that a watergun can not be sold with a carrying device such as some sort of holster? LOLricharcm wrote:Most definitely arrest you and charge you. A fake gun is a "real" gun if it deceives the viewer.Could you open-carry a FAKE gun in order to get the point across and make your 2nd Amendment statement at the rally? Obviously you will get some crap for it but can they refuse you for it or have you arrested for it at all?
Charge you with the same thing they charged Myn Jack with - disturbing the peace and maybe find more.
Yata hey
Perhaps my question is a bit out there but perhaps it isn't at the same time. It would be nice to be able to make such a bold statement at a rally such as this but at the same time be within the law and make it obvious that you mean no harm. And to do it without being QUITE as cheesy as carrying Super Soakers into the rally......
Just wondering.
Most people at a McCain/Palin rally would probably be at least FAIRLY moderate on the 2nd amendment as it is so it might be a waste of time anyways....