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    As I'm sure all Pennsylvanians are aware, as of today (September 11th, in case this post takes me past midnight to write), private property rights no longer exist for businesses in this Commonwealth. Apparently, anything under the guise of "public safety" will trump the ability of a business to regulate with whom it conducts business and the terms with which business is conducted.

    Is this perhaps an opportunity to exploit the State Legislature's stupidity in order to gain greater freedoms for those who carry guns in Pennsylvania? Quite simply, study after study after study proves that carrying a gun is both an individual and societal benefit in stopping violent crime. Since violent crime obviously is unhealthy, it is obvious what must be done to make Pennsylvania as safe as possible: extend our firearms preemption to all businesses open to the public. Everyone would be safer, and we wouldn't have to worry about getting kicked out of stores, restaurants, and events because we're openly carrying guns.

    And it's a win-win scenario. Even if we lose the battle to force businesses to accept gun owners, it would surely bring about at least some discussion about restoring private property rights to business owners.

    If there's any interest, could we find anyone to sponsor such a bill?


    While this was somewhat of a rant, don't mistake it for sarcasm, as it is a serious proposal... though I haven't worked out the finer details.

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    I've been saying this for years. No one cares but you and I.

    Guess that makes 2 of us.

    Either it's private property or it's not. If the state can ban smoking in a business, then they must be forced to let someone carry on their property.

    You can't have it both ways.

    It's hypocracy.

    Another similar issue is voting rights for felons. I would love to see the right to vote be treated like the right to own a weapon/firearm.

    If you convicted of any felony or misdemeanor domestic violence, you can never vote again in any election.

    What's that sir, you have a restraining order on you, sorry, but you can't vote this election.

    It should be all about consistency, not hypocracy.


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    Jared wrote:
    I've been saying this for years. No one cares but you and I.

    Guess that makes 2 of us.

    Either it's private property or it's not. If the state can ban smoking in a business, then they must be forced to let someone carry on their property.

    You can't have it both ways.

    It's hypocracy.

    Another similar issue is voting rights for felons. I would love to see the right to vote be treated like the right to own a weapon/firearm.

    If you convicted of any felony or misdemeanor domestic violence, you can never vote again in any election.

    What's that sir, you have a restraining order on you, sorry, but you can't vote this election.

    It should be all about consistency, not hypocracy.
    Yes, but the political system will never allow itself to be hoisted by its own petard. That is why laws don't mean what they say. We will not return to liberty until we remove the powers from the thieves in black robes.
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    Jared wrote:
    I've been saying this for years. No one cares but you and I.

    Guess that makes 2 of us.
    three.
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    jahwarrior72 wrote:
    Jared wrote:
    I've been saying this for years. No one cares but you and I.

    Guess that makes 2 of us.
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    FOUR - I too have been long time proponent of "quasi-public" business and I've heard all of the arguments about private property, protected classes et al, ad nasium.

    My position is simple - you invite the general public to shop, watch a movie, enjoy a meal - you should not be able to deny me the free exercise of any of my rights.

    Try substituting "speech" in place of "weapons" when you talk about restricting what I do in your establishment.

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    Whether or not I agree with it is immaterial... but I just started working as a security guard at a production plant, and the new clean air law has doubled my expected workload, just in writing up infraction reports on anyone who smokes too close to the entrances.

    Sigh.

    Now I have to work like 15 minutes a shift!

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    Aran wrote:
    Whether or not I agree with it is immaterial... but I just started working as a security guard at a production plant, and the new clean air law has doubled my expected workload, just in writing up infraction reports on anyone who smokes too close to the entrances.

    Sigh.

    Now I have to work like 15 minutes a shift!
    So they have effectively made you a "smoke cop." That sucks!

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