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    I found this video on youtube, it starts slow keep watching , its important
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LvtQAQ6sc

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    Interesting. I tried to search and find summaries of what the 10 steps are, and finally found them:

    All despots or would-be dictators follow the same 10 steps:

    1. All invoke a terrifying internal or external threat.
    2. Establish secret prison systems where torture takes place, outside the rule of law..
    3. Create paramilitary force that is not answerable to the citizens.
    4. Create surveillance aperatus that is aimed at ordinary citizens.
    5. Infiltrate citizens groups
    6. Arbitrarily detain and release citizens
    7. Target key individuals
    8. Restrict the press
    9. Refer to criticism as espionage and dissent as treason
    10 Subvert the rule of law.

    Looks like most of them have already happened?

    ...Definitely worth investigating further...
    ...Orygunner...



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    i wonder if this woman is just another wacko socialist bush hating loser, if she is actually is actual a patriot.

    i would wonder... i bet she loves obama. that alone would allow me to throw out everything she says and pass her off as a piece of **** socialist loser

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    she just called the national socialists in the germany conservatives.

    she also said she can't understand the bill of rights without someone "explaining" it to her.

    sounds like a empty headed woman

    she just massacred the 2nd amendment. and said it was so the governers could control the national guard.

    this lady is a loser.

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    sorry this lady is a wacko and just another left wing socialist loser.

    she just admitted she was a left wing socialist loser

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    I dunno, I'll admit I only half listened to what she was saying (had it running in the background), but I thought she said she opposed liberals getting into office, that they would make things worse?

    I'll have to listen to it again when I'm not busy.

    ...Orygunner...

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    at the end she plugs her new website, co-founded with the "head of moveon.org"

    i can't believe you got sucked into this ********.

    this lady is a left wing socialist, if not communist loser. she has absolutely no clue about the world around her.

    its funny you brought this up, she predicted in this lame interview that this election would be meaningless and that something would happen so bush could stay in power forever.

    well there is 6 weeks left for "king bush" to take control. will she lose all credibility (she doesn't have) when this doesn't happen?

    she also said congress is meaningless right now, but then she asks you to write your congressman to make them do something.

    typical loser. much brains


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    she kept saying democracy this democracy that.

    democracy is what has gotten us to where we are. democracy is mob rule, and always leads to socialism, and lack of liberty.

    out system is a constitutional republic.

    this lady is a piece of ****

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    Some of you guys apathy is staggering, that clip has nothin to do with who she would vote for or who she wants you to vote for. pull your head out of the sand!
    tipsymcstagger: "she just called the national socialists in the germany conservatives." she wasn't bagging on conservatives, it was a matter of fact they were conservatives! they perverted some ideals and became what they did, conservatives are not above that sort of thing, nobody is. if were listening you might have heard that.
    tipstmcstagger: "he also said she can't understand the bill of rights without someone "explaining" it to her."
    clearly its not to easy to undersand the bill of rights, even the supreme court justices clearly could not understand it, evidenced by the vote counts. and mabe she wanted to learn if she didn't know, imagine that.
    tipsymcstagger: its funny you brought this up, she predicted in this lame interview that this election would be meaningless and that something would happen so bush could stay in power forever.
    well the real funny thing is he could! or obama or mccain or whoever. she wasn't talking about just him she was talking about any president that follows too. if power is given it is always abused in some form. tipsymcstagger you are a master of the conservative over reaction to somebody criticizing your party, and the master of taking things out of context. sorry I guess I am "a piece of @#$% socialist loser too."

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    put down the kool aid.

    our best defense against her scenario is for all able bodied citizens to be armed. she specifically said the 2nd amendment was so the governor's of states could control a national guard. she DID NOT say the 2nd amendment was an individual right.

    How could we trust our state elected masters more than our federally elected masters? we can't. this lady is a kook, and frankly is not very bright.

    the "smart" left wing socialists and conspiracy theorists make very vague predictions so that when they do not come true, they can continue their nonsense.

    the "stupid" left wing socialists and conspiracy theorists make specific predictions, and when they do not come true are immediately marginalized. like this woman will be Jan. 20th.

    if the president tried to stay in office and not let someone else in, he would be physically removed by the capitol police

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    I am sorry, but the attacks on this woman because she might be a liberal is the final straw. I think I am done dealing with the ignorance of the people on this forum.

    Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope that you don't get weeded out by natural selection...a society will always needs dupes. You are the very people that allow people to take rights away because of your inability to separate "feelings" from fact and intentions.

    Edited to change word from dopes to dupes.

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    Theseus wrote:
    I am sorry, but the attacks on this woman because she might be a liberal is the final straw. I think I am done dealing with the ignorance of the people on this forum.

    Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope that you don't get weeded out by natural selection...a society will always needs dopes. You are the very people that allow people to take rights away because of your inability to separate "feelings" from fact and intentions.
    bye.

    did you even watch the video? she is a socialist. she does not even know what liberty and freedom is. all she knows is bush is evil and wants to take over the US and turn it into a dictatorship.

    Her group is co-founded by the clown that founded moveon.org

    And that statement alone does not remove all credibility? Nothing i've said is based on feelings. YOUR post is based on feelings.

    You just attacked me, implying that i am "stupid". you are doing the exact thing you accuse me of.

    our country is moving away from freedom, and it has for a very long time. Bush has continued this legacy, but it was started before he was even born.

    the worst thing to ever happen to freedom in the united states was FRD, FRD's new deal, and hoover's FBI. all involves democrats.

    removing bush and installing obama or mccain will not change a damn thing. i argue that installing obama will only accelerate the slip into socialism

    ps: this is a open carry forum, this mush for brains woman totally mangled the 2nd amendment. she does not believe you and I should own or carry a firearm, she thinks that we will institute "change" by writing congressmen, and standing with signs and getting shot in the street.

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    tipsymcstagger: "
    if the president tried to stay in office and not let someone else in, he would be physically removed by the capitol police"
    how? or better yet why? the president has a leagal standing to stay in office, he made the law, you know its part of the patriot act? the fact is that if he/she does try to stay in power we the people will have to remove them, not some "capital police" hell the real polce can't even protect us. thats part of why we carry. I am done with your childish people bashing just because you don't have the same opinion as they do. it is a free country she has the right to say what the hell she wants, maybe you might listen. your political racism staggering, lol tipsymcstagger

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    As Tipsy said, this is an open carry forum. Even if most of the members are politically like-minded, you should not take it personally if you're not one of them. I, for one, would be happy with a Canadian-style socialized medical system. Really. But that's not what this forum is here to discuss and it doesn't bother me if everyone else thinks me a fool for believing so - we (generally) agree about gun rights, and there are other forums where one can debate political economy. I take everyone else's membership in other political parties as seriously as I take their tastes in music or fashion - nothing to get excited over. We still have common interests and that's why I'm here.

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    Theseus wrote:
    I am sorry, but the attacks on this woman because she might be a liberal is the final straw. I think I am done dealing with the ignorance of the people on this forum.

    Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope that you don't get weeded out by natural selection...a society will always needs dupes. You are the very people that allow people to take rights away because of your inability to separate "feelings" from fact and intentions.

    Edited to change word from dopes to dupes.
    Maybe they're jealous because she knows how to use capital letters and paragraphs.

    Anyhow, what turned me off to this thread is that lack of description in the title, subtitle, and OP. Breaks forum rule #1:

    "1) Caption your thread like a newspaper headline - make it descriptive so that others will know what it is a about."


    Theseus, just hold out until November 4th, and hopefully most of this will go away. The rest should fade into the distance when the "lesser of two evils" is elected and society descends into chaos.

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    scoobydoo6906 wrote:
    tipsymcstagger: "
    if the president tried to stay in office and not let someone else in, he would be physically removed by the capitol police"
    how? or better yet why? the president has a leagal standing to stay in office, he made the law, you know its part of the patriot act? the fact is that if he/she does try to stay in power we the people will have to remove them, not some "capital police" hell the real polce can't even protect us. thats part of why we carry. I am done with your childish people bashing just because you don't have the same opinion as they do. it is a free country she has the right to say what the hell she wants, maybe you might listen. your political racism staggering, lol tipsymcstagger
    political racism? you are a wacko

    they would have to amend the constitution for the president to have legal standing to stay in office. end of story. put down the kool aid.

    the police are not here to protect you, they are here to punish you, and control you the way the govt wants. if it were up to this woman you would not be able to own a firearm or carry it.

    you are doing "people bashing" me. doing the exact thing you accuse me of.

    why do people like you always do this? i mean you gotta have an iq of about 30.

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    *cough cough*

    5) While you may disagree strongly with another poster based upon their opinion, we will NOT tolerate any personal attacks or general bashing of groups of people based upon race, religion, sex, or choice of occupation (e.g., being a law enforcement officer).

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html


    *cough cough*

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    imperialism2024 wrote:
    *cough cough*

    5) While you may disagree strongly with another poster based upon their opinion, we will NOT tolerate any personal attacks or general bashing of groups of people based upon race, religion, sex, or choice of occupation (e.g., being a law enforcement officer).

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html


    *cough cough*
    seems like that applies to everyone in this thread

    including the op

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    Theseus wrote:
    I am sorry, but the attacks on this woman because she might be a liberal is the final straw. I think I am done dealing with the ignorance of the people on this forum.

    Good luck in your future endeavors, I hope that you don't get weeded out by natural selection...a society will always needs dupes. You are the very people that allow people to take rights away because of your inability to separate "feelings" from fact and intentions.

    Edited to change word from dopes to dupes.
    Are we all "ignorant" or just most of us? With the overwhelming majority of posters putting forth overwhelming support of the Bill of Rights, not just the 2nd Amendment, how does that correlate with your opinion in which we are "allowing people to take (our) rights away"? Just curious...
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

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    Legba wrote:
    As Tipsy said, this is an open carry forum. Even if most of the members are politically like-minded, you should not take it personally if you're not one of them. I, for one, would be happy with a Canadian-style socialized medical system. Really. But that's not what this forum is here to discuss and it doesn't bother me if everyone else thinks me a fool for believing so - we (generally) agree about gun rights, and there are other forums where one can debate political economy. I take everyone else's membership in other political parties as seriously as I take their tastes in music or fashion - nothing to get excited over. We still have common interests and that's why I'm here.

    -ljp
    I pretty much agree (well not with the Canadian-style socialized medicine part as if we had that I would be dead now) but with the rest of it. There are only a few people who hop into threads and screw them up with their political views. Most people start separate avoidable threads, or just jump in and make a comment and leave it alone. We know who the few trollish posters are who are happy to destroy any thread and I think most of us pretty much ignore them now.

    I can well understand the objection to poor titling leading to someone inadvertently visiting a political thread. But once that has happened, leaving and ignoring it in the future is easy enough.
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    I really enjoyed this interview. I look forward to reading the book, just added to my amazon order (using the VCDL affiliate link ofcourse at : http://www.amazon.com/gp/homepage.ht...2Aentries%2A=0 )

    I don't know anything about the authors politics beyond this interview, but her points seem valid and they make sense to me. I didn't perceive any of the partisan-bias in the interview that the comments above perceived.

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    TipsyMcStagger wrote:
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    i can't believe you got sucked into this bull@#$%.

    this lady is a left wing socialist, if not communist loser. she has absolutely no clue about the world around her.

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    I'm not sucked into anything except investigating further, which I just have.

    I believe in guilt by association. In other words, the people and groups someone allies with tell a lot about the person.

    Naomi Wolf's Website, www.americanfreedomcampaign.orgis affiliated with:

    People ForThe American Way (PFAW.ORG) which has blatent anti-gun rights crap on their site. http://media.pfaw.org/stc/GunControl.pdf

    ACLU (we know how they roll on the 2nd Amendment)

    There seem to be others, but I found the information I'm looking for.

    I'm planning on contacting Naomi Wolf and asking her why gun control is not listed in her 10 steps

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    Orygunner wrote:
    TipsyMcStagger wrote:
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    i can't believe you got sucked into this bull@#$%.

    this lady is a left wing socialist, if not communist loser. she has absolutely no clue about the world around her.

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    I'm not sucked into anything except investigating further, which I just have.

    I believe in guilt by association.¬* In other words, the people and groups someone allies with tell a lot about the person.

    Naomi Wolf's Website, www.americanfreedomcampaign.org¬*is affiliated with:

    People For¬*The American Way (PFAW.ORG) which has blatent anti-gun rights crap on their site. http://media.pfaw.org/stc/GunControl.pdf

    ACLU (we know how they roll on the 2nd Amendment)

    ¬*There seem to be others, but I found the information I'm looking for.

    I'm planning on contacting Naomi Wolf and asking her why gun control is not listed in her 10 steps

    ...Orygunner...

    ¬*
    She addresses gun control a few times in that interview. She also addresses it indirectly when talking about how the government is overstepping the constitution on civil rights.

    I don't judge people on who they associate with. I judge people on their actions and words alone.

    **edited to add**

    Quote by Naomi Wolf from her Washington Post titled:
    "Hey, Young Americans, Here's a Text for You"

    "Few young Americans understand that the Second Amendment keeps their homes safe from the kind of government intrusion that other citizens suffer around the world"

    She mentions the second amendment in that video at : 8:23 and at 8:48 (2 occurrences in basically the same conversation)

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    my intention with this thread is to get people to think. I think we very close losing our freeedom as we know it, going down a road that many other nations have. its no here say its a fact that we have had our rights stripped by the patriot act. it happened under a rublican, but that does not matter it just as easy been a democrat. no matter your party loyalty it should have not happened! who does it does not make it right. this is my way of trying to do something about it, get people to think. not just about politics about anything. not to just believe because I told you or the t.v or newspaper, think for yourself! we all know what right and wrong is no political leaders need to tell me that. calling a person a socialist is messed up, they I am sure don't want to live in china or under that kind of opression either. its an ignorant blast at somebody that thinks differently thats it. liberal people want the samethings we all do, freedom. they just have different view on how to get it and what it is. you can't blame them for it. we all may not agree with them (which by and large I don't) but they have the right to think how they want. its a free country at least for now. I think that Naomi Wolf is saying is far greater than just about the second amendment. if she does not agree with the intent of the 2nd amendment thats her deal (if she is anti 2nd amendment I don't agree with that), but I think the vast majority of what she is saying is very important and I agree with.

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    I think talking about this sort of stuff is important, if we don't talk about freedom and what it is to be free we could lose it because we forgot what's important to us and what freedom is. that way 'the man' can't tell us what it is to be free. god(or who or whatever you believe in) bless america. and keep fighting for your rights (whatever you think they are)

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