Army Taps Industry for M4 Replacement

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In the midst of two full scale operations too suppress radical religious sociopaths, the military is highly unlikely IMO to completely retool it's entire weapons system. It was a nightmare in the 60's replacing the M14 (a mistake if you ask me). If we do anything, we'll rechamber to a mid 6mm cartridge, and put a piston in the M4. Until we end our engagements in the middle east, which won't be soon, (even if we elect the moonbat) we don't need to go through the trials of fielding a completely new weapon system.

The M4 is good enough for now, I work on them everyday. Most of the trigger pullers I know want a different round, but they like the weapon.

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I really hope they go to a new caliber.

I would be a very happy man to see all that surplus 5.56 unloaded onto the market!

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ScottyT wrote:

I really hope they go to a new caliber.

I would be a very happy man to see all that surplus 5.56 unloaded onto the market!

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Hey, at least the food for your SBRs isn't used by practically every third-world military and rogue faction in existance... :cuss:

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Grendel article:

http://www.65grendel.com/

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ODA 226 wrote:

MetalChris wrote:

Deanimator wrote: 

All you need is a piston upper for the M4.  The M16 series has the best operator controls EVER.  Chamber it for 6.5Grendel and you have he best combat rifle in the world.

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+1 on that.

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+2 on that! When I was in the 10th Group, I was issued a 10" CAR 15 that was extremely light and portable and accurate out to 300 meters. If it was chambered for the 6.5 Grendal, it would have been the best carbine in the world IMHO.

It would be nothing to produce 10" Grendal uppers with a gas piston for Tankers and SF types and 14" uppers with piston for the regulars. Make the entire system modular and save the taxpayers millions of dollars.

Perhaps that makes too much sense?

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If the Army requested it, I'm sure it could be done. But they didn't. Instead, they're asking for salesmen to make their pitches!

What the Army is doing might yield a decent carbine, but it won't be cost-effective.

I'm sure we won't end up with anything modular. More likely it will be proprietary right down to the ammunition :quirky

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TipsyMcStagger wrote:

personally i think the ak has horrible ergonomics especially for me being a real big fella. might be ok for little people, but for me its a pain to shoot and even harder to shoot accurately from a decent distance.

personally i can shoot my mini14 much better, and its a small rifle too...

this isn't meant to be a M16 vs Ak vs whatever post but i do not think the AK is the end all of combat rifles and never really has been and its been extremely over hyped for a very long time.

we all know its reliable :celebrate

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Well, lets change it from M16 vs Ak 47 (btw that would be the funniest thing ever if they chose an American-made AK to replace it :lol to M16+AK47.

I absolutely love my SIG 556, which combines alot of the great accuracy and universal features of the M series with the ruggedness and reliability of the AK's ( the good ones, not the "Brand X" AK's...you know who you are ). I've barely put 100 rounds through my 556 and have cleaned it after every range session, but I've read of people who havn't done a thorough cleaning after over 2000 rounds and there is still very little build up in the gas system or the bolt area.

Its exceedingly easy to take down and it almost reassembles itself. If it only came with the option for a larger caliber, it would be the 100% perfect weapon imo.

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Krato88 wrote:

Well, lets change it from M16 vs Ak 47 (btw that would be the funniest thing ever if they chose an American-made AK to replace it :lol to M16+AK47.

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The Galil has already been invented.

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Well said! I would'nt want to be hit with a 5.56mm. It is all noncense! I was over in the "sand box" I would not have felt "unarmed" with a M14. They say "we need a new weapon"! What it really meens, is we need more money we can spend else where.