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    http://hamptonroads.com/2008/09/man-claims-he-broke-garage-was-police-informant

    Man claims he broke into garage, was police informant


    By John Hopkins
    The Virginian-Pilot
    © September 19, 2008
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    The case against accused cop killer Ryan Frederick relies partially on the accounts of burglars who may have been working as confidential police informants.

    A 21-year-old Chesapeake man said he and another informant broke into Frederick's garage in the Portlock section of the city in January to look for evidence of a marijuana-growing operation and told the police about what they found there.

    In an interview at the Chesapeake Correctional Center, Renaldo Turnbull Jr. told The Virginian-Pilot that he had been working with police for several months before the shooting of Detective Jarrod Shivers. Turnbull said Shivers was among the police officers he had provided information to.

    Shivers, a 34-year-old father of three, was shot and killed during a Jan. 17 drug raid at Frederick's home in the 900 block of Redstart Ave. Frederick said he didn't know police were on the other side of his door when he shot through it. He said he thought intruders were breaking into his home.

    Prosecutors now say Frederick, 29, knew the police were coming. They say Frederick told one of the burglars in a threatening phone conversation that he knew police might be coming after him and he would be ready.

    Police and prosecutors have not identified the people involved in the Frederick burglary, and no one has been charged with that crime. Frederick never reported the break-in to police.

    Frederick's attorney, James Broccoletti, said Wednesday he could not answer any questions regarding informants and their allegations. The special prosecutor in the case, Paul Ebert, also said he could not comment on the identities of the informants or allegations made by Turnbull.

    Chesapeake Police Chief Kelvin Wright said his department does use confidential informants to make undercover drug buys, but he would not comment on any relationship police may have with street sources.

    "We do not discuss people who may or may not be confidential informants," he said.

    Police indicated earlier this year that a reliable informant led them to Frederick. At a court hearing on Sept. 8, prosecutors disclosed for the first time the involvement of burglars.

    That disclosure prompted The Pilot to report now on its February jailhouse interview with Turnbull, who identified himself as one of the burglars.

    According to Turnbull, he started working as a police informant after his release from prison last year. In August 2006, he pleaded guilty to breaking and entering, burglary of a dwelling with the intent to commit larceny, and two counts of grand larceny, according to court records.

    Turnbull spoke to The Pilot shortly after his arrest in connection with a Jan. 3 burglary, he was arrested Jan. 28, 11 days after Shivers was killed.

    He is now in the Chesapeake jail awaiting sentencing in December for that burglary. Other felony charges, for an alleged December 2007 crime involving grand larceny and entering a house to commit assault and battery, have since been leveled against him.

    Shivers was killed as he and more than a dozen other officers tried to enter Frederick's house, looking for evidence of a marijuana-growing operation. Frederick's attorney, James Broccoletti, has argued that police later confiscated only one-third of an ounce of marijuana from the home.

    Frederick was charged with capital murder, use of a firearm, and possession with the intent to distribute marijuana. He said he fired his gun twice that night at what he thought were intruders breaking through his front door.

    When Frederick was taken into custody, he said he tried to tell authorities about a burglary at his home days before.

    "I was telling them someone broke in earlier," he said. "And they said they know about that."

    Turnbull said he and an accomplice didn't worry about breaking into Frederick's garage because police assured them they would be protected.

    "The dude said he was going to look out for us, so let's go do it," he said.


    A Frederick family member identified the second informant as a man in his early 20s named Steven. The Pilot is not fully identifying the man because he declined to be interviewed.

    Steven knew Frederick and had worked with police before, according to Turnbull.

    "Steven was doing this before I met him," Turnbull said.

    Steven was arrested on unrelated charges two days before the Shivers shooting. He was being held in the Virginia Beach jail in February when he agreed to an interview with The Pilot, but he later declined. Steven's family, contacted at their home in Great Bridge, said he wasn't ready to talk.

    Steven was scheduled to stand trial earlier this month but didn't show up at court. He is now listed as a fugitive.

    Turnbull said he met with Shivers once and talked with him on the phone on other occasions. During a meeting at a 7-Eleven store near the intersection of Battlefield Boulevard and Cedar Road in Chesapeake, Shivers introduced himself.

    "He told me what to look for. He said, if you know of any burglaries or anything, let Steven know... He said no evidence, no pay... He said if you know where it is, go get it."

    The first attempt to break into Frederick's garage was canceled after they saw his SUV and another car parked in the driveway, said Turnbull, who said he does not know Frederick.

    On the second attempt, they decided to call there first. When there was no answer, they went to his house and knocked on the door to make sure no one was home. Frederick's SUV was gone, he said.

    Then they went through Frederick's privacy fence to his garage, Turnbull said. "It was locked, but Steven gave it a nice little kick and it opened, and there it was," he said.

    Inside the garage was "a tent," with a zipper, "like a greenhouse," Turnbull said. Inside the small portable greenhouse were about 15 marijuana plants, each about 2 feet high, in two rows, in some sort of hydroponic setup, he said.

    Turnbull said he took about five or six plants and left to turn the evidence over to police. Steven, he said, was the person who actually handed the plants to police.

    Days later, police executed a search warrant for Frederick's home. In a search warrant affidavit, police said a confidential informant had been inside Frederick's residence and saw marijuana plants in the detached garage.

    The informant, police said in their affidavit, described the growth stages of the plants, which were inside "a portable closet type casing."

    Frederick has said that on the night of the shooting, he was sleeping when he heard a commotion and retrieved his Bersa .380-caliber Firestorm gun.

    "My dogs woke me up," he said in an earlier interview. "They were barking like crazy. They're barking like really crazy, so I grabbed my gun. As I'm walking through the hall, something comes busting through my door."

    According to Turnbull, Frederick suspected that the informant Steven was behind the burglary. After the break-in, an angry Frederick had repeatedly called Turnbull's cell phone and had threatened Steven's parents in Great Bridge.

    Turnbull speculates that Frederick obtained his cell number from caller ID after he and Steven called to see whether Frederick was home before the burglary.

    Frederick "kept calling," Turnbull said.

    He tried to assure Frederick that he was not involved in the break-in, but Frederick seemed to know that the burglars were Steven and a dark -skinned black male, possibly from a security camera, said Turnbull, who is black.

    "When I talked to him on my phone, (Frederick) said, 'I know Steven's locked up and I know police are coming to my home, but I got something for them,' " Turnbull said.

    "He said: 'Anybody come to my door, I'm going to blast them' - straight like that."

    That is similar to the account prosecutors provided at the Sept. 8 court hearing.

    Police in February obtained a search warrant to seize Verizon telephone records for all incoming and outgoing calls on Jan. 16 and 17 at Frederick's home.

    In more recent months, Turnbull has declined to discuss the case further. Once, during a bond hearing, he yelled out to a General District Court judge as he was being escorted to jail, "They didn't tell you about that officer who was shot!"




    So now if police want a warrant and need evidence, they can get a thug to break in?

    Yeah no!

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    Thanks for the update. It is too bad that this is allowed to disappear from the public consciousness.

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    If the police encouraged these thugs to brake into Fredrick's home, all charges against Fredrick should be dropped and all LEO's that participated in this travesty need to be immediately charged with manslaughter.
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    ODA 226 said:
    If the police encouraged these thugs to brake into Fredrick's home, all charges against Fredrick should be dropped and all LEO's that participated in this travesty need to be immediately charged with manslaughter.
    I absolutely agree, BUT Det Shivers isn't available to corroborate Turnbull's testimony, and why would Steven do so without some kind of immunity? It seems like the BGs who (were enticed) broke the law to incriminate Frederick now have to be relied upon to exonerate him and incriminate a dead cop.

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    This is why the War on Drugs is bunk.

    They catch one guy breaking the law, they bargain with him "hey, break another law, so we can catch this guy also breaking the law"

    and in the process, he gets someone else to break into another guys house.

    So we have 2 more crimes being committed on top of the ones already committed - under the guise of "stopping drugs"

    ugh.

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    It really is that bad in Chesapeake. Pay informants to break into homes and inform the PD about contraband found inside, obtain search warrant, bust the owners of contraband. "No evidence, no cash" is very, very damning to the entire state case if it comes out at trial. Oh yeah, also provide some sort of protection or immunity to the burglars/ informants.

    Is there any doubt as to why the former Chief of Police (coincidentally name Justice) took the opportunity to retire.

    Wow, I guess this case will hinge on the testimony of the other burglar/paid informant. No wait the other agent of the Chesapeake PD has disappeared.

    I just hope that the judge denies the prosecution motion to change the venue.

    This case is going to shred any remaining credibility that the Chesapeake PD has.

    There is something that still does not add up. If Frederick told Turnbull he was going to shoot police when they came to his door and Turnbull informed on Frederick, then why weren't the police better prepared for violence??? I would think that somebody making threats about police to a police informant would have more than a knock and announce warrant.

    Thecredibility of Turnbull will be a clear problem for the prosecution. It is entirely plausible for Turnbull to have fabricated the "I have something for them" statement that he attributes to Frederick.


    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Thundar wrote:
    *SNIP* It is entirely plausible for Turnbull to have fabricated the "I have something for them" statement that he attributes to Frederick.



    I would say its not only plausible, but part of a deal for Turnbull....... This case wreaks of corruption at all levels in the CPD.I wonder who incity council knows where the money they appropriated goes and how its spent. When are the findings of the independant investigation on the CPD by the city council going to be made public?

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    Juries are notoriously fickle and prediciting an outcome in this caseis like a coin toss. Thatsaid, the residents of theCommonwealth are more pro-L&O types, and will generally side with the prosecution, unlike some Boroughs of NYC, where getting a conviction is nearly impossible. Yes, something stinks about this whole deal. The use of CI's is a common practice in LE, andwhatever wethink about it reallywill not alterthe continued use of dirtbags to get arrests.

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    A previous story said their was bad blood between Frederick and "Steven". Who's to say "Steven" didn't plant the evidence to frame Frederick while working as an "informant".
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    That LOWLIFE was dating his sister. Bad blood? How would you feel about him being around your sister? Thats the reason for the bad blood.

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    I thought he was dating his girlfriends sister.
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    I agree 100 percent with ODA on this one. IF the police encouraged the illegal behavior of the informants and the information obtained ended up in the loss of an officer, then all the officers involved in this should be charged and convicted of manslaughter at a minimum. You are always playing on the razors edge when dealing with the information obtained from an informant because you don't know what the motives are of the informant that is helping you. They will lie to save their own butts from being charged with unrelated crimes that they've done, ad nauseum. One has to take what they say with a grain of salt and VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY BEFORE seeking warrants. Something stinks bad here and unfortunately, if Shivers did encourage this type of behavior as stated in the original article, then he got what he got, plain and simple. This sort of crap gives all good LEO's a bad rap and as LEO's we need to weed out all the officers who would do this sort of thing. Bury their butts under the jail because we don't need their "help" reducing crime. I'm a LEO and this s&*t pisses me off to no end. Rant off.

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    ODA 226 wrote:
    If the police encouraged these thugs to brake into Fredrick's home, all charges against Fredrick should be dropped and all LEO's that participated in this travesty need to be immediately charged with manslaughter.
    Radley Balko of The Agitator has been on top of this story since Day One. Here's his latest blog entry:

    Breaking News in the Ryan Frederick Case

    [SNIP]
    The Virginian-Pilot will confirm what I first reported back in June: Two men broke into Ryan Frederick’s house three nights before the police raided his home, and one of them was likely the informant mentioned in the police warrant. It also means that the probable cause for the warrant was obtained illegally, a fact police neglected to mention in the warrant.

    I guess I can now also reveal that the informant mentioned in the article, Renaldo Turnbull, Jr., was also the man I spoke with in the Chesapeake Jail last June–I referred to him in the post as “Reggie.”

    Turnbull has also said some other pretty damning things about how the Chesapeake narcotics police conduct their drug investigations, including that they knew ahead of time and approved of the break-in to Frederick’s home. He has also said the police routinely asked him and Steven (the other informant) to break into homes to collect evidence.

    Of course, Turnbull isn’t likely to say any of these things anymore, now.

    This raises all sorts of interesting questions.

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    Been sitting back viewing a ton of third hand information.. also called hearsay.....

    I would not give too much weight to hearsay in regards to this event and the officers. Unless you have the officers on tape or admitting it in person.... they are entitled to the old saying "Innocent till proven guilty"... right?!


    Just my two cents... I see people wanting to bury the cops under the jail now and there is no proof they did what is being posted.

    If you like... I can post some hearsay as well that Ryan confessed to something that was heard by a friend of a friend.... :P

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    I don't think there is screaming for LEOs heads (yet) as much as there is a hue and cry to get the defendant released on bail (which, IIRC, has been denied)...

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    Maybe you cops have expended your emotional bank account with the public and are no longer presumed innocent. Now, if y'all regarded and comported yourselves as citizens then things might be different.

    Either we are equal or we are not.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Maybe you cops have expended your emotional bank account with the public and are no longer presumed innocent. Now, if y'all regarded and comported yourselves as citizens then things might be different.

    Either we are equal or we are not.

    Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA ******* I think that I'll use this OCDO forum in my campaign for magistrate.
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    I thought he was dating his girlfriends sister.
    Ya, either way, I think you can see the point. Ryan is a working man who gets up every day at 4am. All his neighbors, and even the mailman said he was a good person. He didn't like that lowlife around him or anyone he cared about because he was a useless and lazy troublemaker. He had a problem with someone who wouldn't work for a living and was outspoken in his dislike. It just so happened that the trash was employed ( allegedly ) by the CPD and just like some others he used his position for personal reasons.



    So, what about the Outside Investigation done by city council? Any news on that?

    And, how about the search warrant? Was it for the house or just an outside, detached shed?

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    JeffersonDavis wrote:
    So, what about the Outside Investigation done by city council? Any news on that?

    And, how about the search warrant? Was it for the house or just an outside, detached shed?

    The independent investigation is privileged information that will not be available for the trial even though it should be finished before the trial.

    The search warrant was for both the house and the shed.

    What is really disturbing is that the City Council has taken no action on the allegations that have been written in the VA Pilot. If I were on the city council I would be jumping up and down to call in the State Police to conduct an investigation, and pronto!!!!!

    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    They already called for 1 investigation, I want to know the findings! My tax dollars paid for it... A city council meeting might be the ticket to get some of this answered. The information from this investigation should be released for the trial. If there were any truth to the allegations of police misconduct and the info withheld wouldn't that be grounds for a mistrial? It seems as though there needs to be some pressure from the citizenry to get city council to be forthright about the investigation and why they felt the need to have one.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Maybe you cops have expended your emotional bank account with the public and are no longer presumed innocent. Now, if y'all regarded and comported yourselves as citizens then things might be different.

    Either we are equal or we are not.

    Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA ******* I think that I'll use this OCDO forum in my campaign for magistrate.
    Cops are citizens who have a government job.

    It is the people who refuse to see cops as citizens and see them as big brother who should be attacked and confronted on every turn.

    Check out this board!!!




    Not exactly. Yes, they are citizens BUT they have a lot more authority than the average citizen or the average citizen with a government job. Come on 229.

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