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    Hello Im New here (to the forums)but Iam a virginia native. I have tried to do my research onOC laws here in VA. I am still a little bit nervous about carrying my firearm into public because of some reactions i may or may not get. Is this normal for a new OC virgin ? Also I was woundering the proper way to travel in city with my firearm in my vehicle. Thanks Alot

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    There is no state law prohibiting OC in Virginia.

    Many new OCers have posted that they feel the nervous their first couple of times.

    Firearms and vehicles....

    Be sure you know the law for the locality you are in as it might be restricted in some way. Generally, unless you have a CC permit.... it is best to have the gun out in the open so an officer can see it if you are stopped. You do not want him to think you were trying to hide or disguise it.

    I think many here place it on the front passenger seat.

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    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.

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    nova wrote:
    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.
    You are a damn giant.... you do not need a gun... you could crush someone with your feet!! :P

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    Done it since I was 19. I'm 22 now...still walking, so it can't be that bad

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    nova wrote:
    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.
    You are a damn giant.... you do not need a gun... you could crush someone with your feet!! :P
    Haha

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    MTclip wrote:
    Hello Im New here (to the forums)but Iam a virginia native. I have tried to do my research onOC laws here in VA. I am still a little bit nervous about carrying my firearm into public because of some reactions i may or may not get. Is this normal for a new OC virgin ? Also I was woundering the proper way to travel in city with my firearm in my vehicle. Thanks Alot
    A hearty welcome to our world.

    Try attending a local OC dinner - it's easier with a group and will get easier (like anything) the more you do it.

    If you are ever in the Richmond area, give us a heads up and someone will be glad to meet-up with you for coffee or a meal.

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    MTclip wrote:
    Hello Im New here (to the forums)but Iam a virginia native. I have tried to do my research onOC laws here in VA. I am still a little bit nervous about carrying my firearm into public because of some reactions i may or may not get. Is this normal for a new OC virgin ? Also I was woundering the proper way to travel in city with my firearm in my vehicle. Thanks Alot

    Welcome to OCDO.

    The Wally World Tourhttp://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...30-post50.html is heartily recommended to get used to OC-ing. Some of the layout may have been changed over the years, but the basic stops are all still there.

    Concerns are "normal" for OC virgins, just as concerns are "normal" in anything you are new at doing. You get used to it after a few times, and then may notice that it bothers you more when you are not carrying.

    The "proper" way to travel with your firearm while in your vehicle (ina city, in a county, on the farm, doing no harm) is (my preference) in a holster attacvhed to your belt.If you do not want to do that, it must besomewhere in plain view [that's the legal part] (on the passenger seat, on the dashboard are the 2 most often used) and where it can be secured from sliding around and does not get in the way of you as the driver or any ofthe passengers you may have [that's the common sense part]. (Think about using your seatbelt thru the holster belt slots/loops as one way to do that.)

    You do not say where you live, but there are OC dinners scheduled fairly regularly in NOVA, Manassas, the Montclair/Dunfries area of PW County, Richmond and Tidewater. As Grapeshot suggested, try to go to one as an icebreaker.

    If you go to an OC dinner in Tidewater, stay far away from Danbus - he's got bad karma lately. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/16338.html

    stay safe.

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    I'm 26 if it helps.

    I've been OCing since mid-last year.

    It takes a little bit of guts the first few times. Try sticking with places you're well known and liked. I OC at the 7-11 by my house a lot, but I'm in there occasionally, and I've always tried to be nice to the clerks.

    Think back to when you were a little kid. How did your parents know you were up to something? You were trying to hide it.

    Don't make a big deal about it, don't look nervous. If you look nervous, you look like you're up to something, and the whole point of OC is to remind people it is normal.

    If you're anywhere in my area, you're welcome to come OC with me.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    I'm 23 and have been OC'n for about 3 months now. I was nervous the 1st couple of times but you get used to it. I started out carrying to 7-11 by my house. I was very nervous the first time I carried in front of a LEO. All he said was "hey, how's it going?" and that was all. Since then I've carried in front of dozens of LEOs and never even a second glance from them. I have nevr had a bad experience to date and carry evrywhere now in PW and Fairfax counties.If you carry yourselfwell and don't actnervous and dress accordingly you will be ok.

    Welcome to open carrying! Be safe!

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    nova wrote:
    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.
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    Done it since I was 19. I'm 22 now...still walking, so it can't be that bad
    Not meaning to nit-pick here, but don't you have to be 21 in VA to own a handgun? If it isn't 21, I have more than a few under-21 friends who'd like to get their own instead of bumming off my friends at the range

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    Krato88 wrote:
    nova wrote:
    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.
    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    Done it since I was 19. I'm 22 now...still walking, so it can't be that bad
    Not meaning to nit-pick here, but don't you have to be 21 in VA to own a handgun? If it isn't 21, I have more than a few under-21 friends who'd like to get their own instead of bumming off my friends at the range
    state law:
    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...cod+18.2-308.7

    Federal law:

    http://iweb.tntech.edu/cpardue/youthnotice.html

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    Krato88 wrote:
    nova wrote:
    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.
    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    Done it since I was 19. I'm 22 now...still walking, so it can't be that bad
    Not meaning to nit-pick here, but don't you have to be 21 in VA to own a handgun? If it isn't 21, I have more than a few under-21 friends who'd like to get their own instead of bumming off my friends at the range
    As the links Nova provided will show, Fed law says I can't buy it under 21 from a federally licensed dealer. Virginia only says I can't buy it from a private party or be given the gun under 18.

    I was given a Berreta 92FS at 19...hence began my open carrying.



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    Good for you. Welcome to OCDO!

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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    Krato88 wrote:
    nova wrote:
    I'm 19 and have never had a problem OCing.
    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    Done it since I was 19. I'm 22 now...still walking, so it can't be that bad
    Not meaning to nit-pick here, but don't you have to be 21 in VA to own a handgun? If it isn't 21, I have more than a few under-21 friends who'd like to get their own instead of bumming off my friends at the range
    As the links Nova provided will show, Fed law says I can't buy it under 21 from a federally licensed dealer. Virginia only says I can't buy it from a private party or be given the gun under 18.

    I was given a Berreta 92FS at 19...hence began my open carrying.

    Thanks for all the info - despite my attempts at convincing two of my friends that I could buy for them and then transfer over to them, they are still concerned the it is "illegal"...concerned enough not to do it. One of them at least is still into shotgun shooting, so I guess its a start.

    I'm going with them and 2 girls from work to the NRA HQ range tomorrow (Monday) night to sight in my SIG 556 and to further my skills with the Glock 21; I'm hoping to get one or both of them on it and let the gun(s) "speak" for themselves

    They want to go eat somewhere afterwards and I was thinking about at least 2 of us open carrying...is it "bad" or at least bad form to OC in the presence of others who may drink? (not at a bar, but something like an Outback or TGI Fridays). There's a place called "Bunkers" in Leesburg (like Dave and Busters) that at least on paper sounds like a gun-friendly zone; they were also considering a restaurant in the Fairfax area (probably bad for OC hehe). I couldn't imagine being at D&B's playing "Area 51" or "House of the Dead" and OCing

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    Fairfax county is actually a decent place to OC. I'll probably be at Gilberts monday night shooting.

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    nova wrote:
    Fairfax county is actually a decent place to OC.
    +1

    So is Loudoun.
    Carry On.

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    We had a recent multi-state meet-up in Lessburg at the local Red, Hot & Blue - no problems. http://vagrapeshot.multiply.com/

    Also the Nova bunch has regular OC dinners and such. Lots of people OC in those areas.

    Though it is not illegal to drink and OC, is it roundly discouraged as bad form.

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    Krato88 wrote:
    Thanks for all the info - despite my attempts at convincing two of my friends that I could buy for them and then transfer over to them, they are still concerned the it is "illegal"...concerned enough not to do it. One of them at least is still into shotgun shooting, so I guess its a start.
    If I understand youcorrectly, what you are describing would be illegal--buying a gun with the intention of reselling it to someone ineligible to buy a gun from an FFL (eg someone under 21 years old)is what is described as a "straw purchase."

    It would be legal for you to sell a handgun you currently own to someone under 21 but not otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms (ie not a felon, a resident of the same state as yourself), or topurchase a handgunfor someone under 21 as a gift (I think). However, buying a gun to resell to somebody who cannot buy it themself is definitely prohibited. That is why ATF Form 4473 asks "Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm" or words to that effect.

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    hirundo82 wrote:
    Krato88 wrote:
    Thanks for all the info - despite my attempts at convincing two of my friends that I could buy for them and then transfer over to them, they are still concerned the it is "illegal"...concerned enough not to do it. One of them at least is still into shotgun shooting, so I guess its a start.
    If I understand youcorrectly, what you are describing would be illegal--buying a gun with the intention of reselling it to someone ineligible to buy a gun from an FFL (eg someone under 21 years old)is what is described as a "straw purchase."

    It would be legal for you to sell a handgun you currently own to someone under 21 but not otherwise prohibited from purchasing firearms (ie not a felon, a resident of the same state as yourself), or topurchase a handgunfor someone under 21 as a gift (I think). However, buying a gun to resell to somebody who cannot buy it themself is definitely prohibited. That is why ATF Form 4473 asks "Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm" or words to that effect.
    Incorrect - It would be a straw purchase if the 2nd party could not legally receive it from you. You as the original purchasor must qualify per the FFL sales requirement. The 2nd transfer needs to qualify under state law - 18 yo etc. Nothing in the law says that you must keep it for X number of days before you transfer it.

    Bear in mind that some FFLs are so sensitive that a bf & gf looking to buy a handgun for the gf will back away frim the transaction if the conversation is primarily with the bf. There is no law compelling the FFL to make the sale.

    There is no federal law against a private transfer of a handgun to an 18 year-old:

    18 USC 922(x)(1)

    (x)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or
    otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has
    reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile--
    (A) a handgun; or
    (B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun

    A "juvenile" as defined in that section us someone under 18. Virginia has no law against it either:

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    Well, the Monday night shoot @ NRA was a bust - seems there was a 22LR competition shoot that moved in (sounded like last-minute sort of thing which activated their "...times subject to change..." policy). I was more disappointed that I didn't get to introduce the one friend who hadn't shot before than I was that I didnt get to sight my new scope for the SIG - but hey, we both talked about it and agreed Wednesday would work for us since we both have the day off. More positives to come...

    So per our original plan, we met up with the girls from work at Bunker's Sports Bar in Leesburg - I still had all my pistol gear on-belt and didn't want to remove it - went in with 2 mags in the double "very LEO looking" pouch & empty BH S2 holster. I ended up only have 1 glass beer (my limit for getting even slightly tipsey is no less than 5), which made me somewhat regret not OCing (would have been my first time & we weren't at the bar [booth]).

    So around 11:45 we left to go to one of the girls' home and stopped at the 7-11 across the way from Bunker's. Since I had been itching to OC all night, this was the perfect opportunity, so I did (with 2 other unarmed friends). A very nice and friendly Middle Eastern fellow (employee) in there gave nothin but smiles and joking conversation. I don't recall if she was with Loudon or Fairfax, but we even ran into a woman from one of those 2 areas police dispatch centers, which made my first OC all that more sucessful.

    Of course, the trip back to Manassas from Leesburg was a "trip"...I was still OCing in my car AND had the one male friend following me until Rt66 (he wanted to "stay together" as long as possible *shrug*). I say trip because:

    1. I usually never go anywhere near the speed limit on Rt 28, because well the avg is around 70 in that 55 zone - tonight however the name of the game was "keep a low profile from the police".

    2. Maybe saw 3 other motorists the ENTIRE trip on Rt7 > Rt28 > home...and my friend was staying close enough for a LEO to pull him/me over for "following too close"; we both have silver cars with the "super zenon" blue lights; We were >>>>BIG TARGETS<<<<<

    3. It was both of our Friday's from work, so we were both VERY tired...not drunk, but tired - the problem is, in a stop I would think that a LEO would sy to himself "Hmmm I smell beer and they look a wee bit woosey....DUI!!!".

    4. The icing on the cake...I had forgetten all the milling/paving that was being done on Rt28 in Manassas...well guess what was going on at 1:05am on Rt 28...PAVING!! And the 2nd layer of icing would be that for some reason, PWC Police were "escorting" the pavers, which I though was a little strange (paving was going for about 3 miles and I counted a total of about 8 patrol cars over that stretch).

    I can just imagine that stop....potentially they could have tried to charge me with a whole host of "XXXX in a construction zone, armed while intoxicated (I wasn't, but still I "smelled" of beer), DUI, etc etc etc.

    Still I count it as +1 for first sucessful OC in 7-11

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    Krato88 wrote:
    Well, the Monday night shoot @ NRA was a bust - seems there was a 22LR competition shoot that moved in (sounded like last-minute sort of thing which activated their "...times subject to change..." policy).
    That would be the Metropolitan Pistol League, which has always met at the NRA HQ Range at 5PM during the Fall, Winter, and Spring. I was there, shooting on the 4th Relay at about 6:30PM.

    Actually, the NRA HQ Range has always closed at 5PM on Mondays, regardless of whether the MPL shoots that night or not (sometimes, a class takes over).

    Congratulations on your OC experience, though!

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    While drinking and OCing is not illegal, most everyone here discourages it as bad form (public image) and as you hinted will not hold you in good stead if you are stopped or worse.

    Please no flames as to civil liberties etc. This is part of my philosophy of preparing for the worst while getting the best experience/training.

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    Last time I checked, on the side of the beer bottle it says
    GOVERNMENT WARNING: (1) According to the Surgeon general, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and may cause health problems.


    A gun is machinery with moving parts. And particularly a lead part that travels 1000+ fps

    and it is bad for the image of OC, however much we may agree or disagree with it.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Incorrect - It would be a straw purchase if the 2nd party could not legally receive it from you. You as the original purchasor must qualify per the FFL sales requirement.
    Sorry, Grapeshot, but this is incorrect. A straw purchase is not determined by the eligibility of the end purchaser -- it's a straw purchase any time the person filling out the 4473 is not the actual purchaser of the gun.

    If your perfectly legal brother can't make it to the gun show this weekend, and sends money with you asking you to pick up a particular gun for him, this is a straw purchase.

    Remember, it's the ATF you'd be arguing with, so it's their definitions you have to use.


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