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Younger People Open Carrying

Krato88

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Well, the Monday night shoot @ NRA was a bust - seems there was a 22LR competition shoot that moved in (sounded like last-minute sort of thing which activated their "...times subject to change..." policy). I was more disappointed that I didn't get to introduce the one friend who hadn't shot before than I was that I didnt get to sight my new scope for the SIG - but hey, we both talked about it and agreed Wednesday would work for us since we both have the day off. More positives to come...

So per our original plan, we met up with the girls from work at Bunker's Sports Bar in Leesburg - I still had all my pistol gear on-belt and didn't want to remove it - went in with 2 mags in the double "very LEO looking" pouch & empty BH S2 holster. I ended up only have 1 glass beer (my limit for getting even slightly tipsey is no less than 5), which made me somewhat regret not OCing (would have been my first time & we weren't at the bar [booth]).

So around 11:45 we left to go to one of the girls' home and stopped at the 7-11 across the way from Bunker's. Since I had been itching to OC all night, this was the perfect opportunity, so I did (with 2 other unarmed friends). A very nice and friendly Middle Eastern fellow (employee) in there gave nothin but smiles and joking conversation. I don't recall if she was with Loudon or Fairfax, but we even ran into a woman from one of those 2 areas police dispatch centers, which made my first OC all that more sucessful. :)

Of course, the trip back to Manassas from Leesburg was a "trip"...I was still OCing in my car AND had the one male friend following me until Rt66 (he wanted to "stay together" as long as possible *shrug*). I say trip because:

1. I usually never go anywhere near the speed limit on Rt 28, because well the avg is around 70 in that 55 zone :D - tonight however the name of the game was "keep a low profile from the police".

2. Maybe saw 3 other motorists the ENTIRE trip on Rt7 > Rt28 > home...and my friend was staying close enough for a LEO to pull him/me over for "following too close"; we both have silver cars with the "super zenon" blue lights; We were >>>>BIG TARGETS<<<<<

3. It was both of our Friday's from work, so we were both VERY tired...not drunk, but tired - the problem is, in a stop I would think that a LEO would sy to himself "Hmmm I smell beer and they look a wee bit woosey....DUI!!!".

4. The icing on the cake...I had forgetten all the milling/paving that was being done on Rt28 in Manassas...well guess what was going on at 1:05am on Rt 28...PAVING!! :lol: And the 2nd layer of icing would be that for some reason, PWC Police were "escorting" the pavers, which I though was a little strange (paving was going for about 3 miles and I counted a total of about 8 patrol cars over that stretch).

I can just imagine that stop....potentially they could have tried to charge me with a whole host of "XXXX in a construction zone, armed while intoxicated (I wasn't, but still I "smelled" of beer), DUI, etc etc etc.

Still I count it as +1 for first sucessful OC in 7-11 :cool:
 

kle

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Krato88 wrote:
Well, the Monday night shoot @ NRA was a bust - seems there was a 22LR competition shoot that moved in (sounded like last-minute sort of thing which activated their "...times subject to change..." policy).
That would be the Metropolitan Pistol League, which has always met at the NRA HQ Range at 5PM during the Fall, Winter, and Spring. I was there, shooting on the 4th Relay at about 6:30PM.

Actually, the NRA HQ Range has always closed at 5PM on Mondays, regardless of whether the MPL shoots that night or not (sometimes, a class takes over).

Congratulations on your OC experience, though!

http://members.cox.net/metropistol/FAQ.html
http://www.nrahq.org/shootingrange/nrahqrange/hours.asp
 

Grapeshot

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While drinking and OCing is not illegal, most everyone here discourages it as bad form (public image) and as you hinted will not hold you in good stead if you are stopped or worse.

Please no flames as to civil liberties etc. This is part of my philosophy of preparing for the worst while getting the best experience/training.

Yata hey
 

nova

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Last time I checked, on the side of the beer bottle it says
GOVERNMENT WARNING: (1) According to the Surgeon general, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and may cause health problems.
A gun is machinery with moving parts. And particularly a lead part that travels 1000+ fps

and it is bad for the image of OC, however much we may agree or disagree with it.
 

KBCraig

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Grapeshot wrote:
Incorrect - It would be a straw purchase if the 2nd party could not legally receive it from you. You as the original purchasor must qualify per the FFL sales requirement.
Sorry, Grapeshot, but this is incorrect. A straw purchase is not determined by the eligibility of the end purchaser -- it's a straw purchase any time the person filling out the 4473 is not the actual purchaser of the gun.

If your perfectly legal brother can't make it to the gun show this weekend, and sends money with you asking you to pick up a particular gun for him, this is a straw purchase.

Remember, it's the ATF you'd be arguing with, so it's their definitions you have to use.
 

sccrref

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KBCraig wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
Incorrect - It would be a straw purchase if the 2nd party could not legally receive it from you. You as the original purchasor must qualify per the FFL sales requirement.
Sorry, Grapeshot, but this is incorrect. A straw purchase is not determined by the eligibility of the end purchaser -- it's a straw purchase any time the person filling out the 4473 is not the actual purchaser of the gun.

If your perfectly legal brother can't make it to the gun show this weekend, and sends money with you asking you to pick up a particular gun for him, this is a straw purchase.

Remember, it's the ATF you'd be arguing with, so it's their definitions you have to use.
Yes, but if you go in with your own money and purchase the gun, then sell it so someone else 18 or over that and otherwise okay to own a gun per reference in Grapeshots post above, you are the actual purchaseer and it is not a straw purchase. Of course if you are that worried about it, buy the gun and gift it to them and then have them gift you the $.
 
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