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    I worked on the farm today. Had to make sure all the stands were tight, graded the road, set out new cameras, checked all the generators...so on.

    After doing that, My wife, Zeus and myself, decided to go to the lake and look at a new boat ramp. The sailboat is hard to launch from Clarksville.

    The ramp is in a State Park, Occoneechee State Park to be exact. I just didn't realiize it until we got there. There is a fee for parking there and a Guard at the gatehouse.

    We pulled up and she came out to collect the money. Just after I paid, it hit me that I was carrying my usual non-hunting weaponry. I had a Mossburg 500 in the gun rack, was wearing a 9mm Smith and had a Magnum Research BFR on the dash. All fully loaded.

    I said, oops, can't come in right now, I have a gun. She looked at the Mossburg and BFR and asked if I was staying long. I said No, just checking the ramps and looking around. She told me not to worry about it and just keep them in the truck.

    Plus one for the Park People there.

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    Do you have to CC in a state park?

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    If I understand it correctly, you can't carry period in a State Park Even CC...unless it is a park that allows hunting (This one does) and it's hunting season (It's not).

    Hopefully someone will correct me if I;m wrong.

    At any rate, it doesn't apply to me because my CHP expired in the early 70's.:shock:

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    With all due respect, I can 100% assure you that you are wrong, Peter. Concealed carry in a Virginia state park is 100% legal as long as you have a chp.

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    SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
    With all due respect, I can 100% assure you that you are wrong, Peter. Concealed carry in a Virginia state park is 100% legal as long as you have a chp.
    I stand corrected. It still doesn't apply to me though.
    I don't keep up with park rules. This is the first time I've ever been in one I think.

    I stand corrected on two counts. My permit expired in the late 70's or early 80's.:shock:

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    Here it is:
    http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state_parks/faq.shtml

    Firearms:[/b] Law enforcement officers and those with a concealed weapons permit may carry firearms. During hunts, hunters may have firearms, which should be unloaded and properly stored when outside designated hunt areas. Target shooting is prohibited. Air guns are prohibited.

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    Bill in VA wrote:
    The question over carrying firearms in Virginia state Parks was recently addressed here: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...mp;forum_id=54

    Basically, open carry is not lawful; firearms may only be lawfully carried in a VA State Park if carried concealed bythe holder of a valid concealed-carry permit. The relevant text can be found in the Virginia State Administrative Code at 4 VAC 5-30-200.

    4 VAC 5-30-200 says, "No person except employees, police officers, or officers of the department shall carry or possess firearms of any description, or airguns, within the park. This regulation shall not apply in areas designated for hunting by the Department of Conservation and Recreation. This regulation also shall not apply to the carrying of concealedhandguns within state parks by holders of a valid concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to §18.2-308 of the Code of Virginia."

    HTH
    Thanks Bill! I went back and looked at the thread, the AG Opinion and the change, after I posted.

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    There is one of my pet peeves, when a law says:

    XXX prohibited.

    Unless YYY.

    ZZZs are exempt from this law.

    Would it be too complicated to word it a bit more simply? Like...

    XXX prohibited except for YYY and ZZZ.
    "Each worker carried his sword strapped to his side." Nehemiah 4:18

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    Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

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    paramedic70002 wrote:
    There is one of my pet peeves, when a law says:

    XXX prohibited.

    Unless YYY.

    ZZZs are exempt from this law.

    Would it be too complicated to word it a bit more simply? Like...

    XXX prohibited except for YYY and ZZZ.
    Then you wouldn't need lawyers to figure out what it all means, which of course would mean they would be out of a job and a lot of money.

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    "Kill all the lawyers":celebrate

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    That will make a great "out of context" quote for those that don't.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    tripledipper wrote:
    "Kill all the lawyers":celebrate
    Hey now! ... :quirky

    Remember that Mike and I are both law school students!

    As a matter of fact, I am posting this from my Legal Research and Writing class.

    PS. Did you know that a parking ramp operator in Minnesota has a duty to protect their customers? See Erickson v. Curtis Inv. Co., 447 N.W.2d 165, 168. (The case we are discussing at the moment)

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    tripledipper wrote:
    "Kill all the lawyers":celebrate
    He meant burbot!

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    The quote, taken out of context,actually is a compliment to the profession, as it was meant that to overthrow the government, you first must kill the guardians of the rule of law. Just more of my warpedsense of humor.

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    tripledipper wrote:
    "Kill all the lawyers":celebrate
    Shakespeare, Henry VI

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    I've always thought for a revolution you needed lawyers, guns and money too.

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    I've always thought for a revolution you needed lawyers, guns and money too.
    Nah, no lawyers. A stump works just as well for target practice.

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    peter nap wrote:
    Here it is:
    http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state_parks/faq.shtml

    Firearms:[/b] Law enforcement officers and those with a concealed weapons permit may carry firearms. During hunts, hunters may have firearms, which should be unloaded and properly stored when outside designated hunt areas. Target shooting is prohibited. Air guns are prohibited.
    if you read the actual regulation, gun carry is allowed generally where hunting is allowed - you do not have to be hunting.

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    Mike wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    Here it is:
    http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state_parks/faq.shtml

    Firearms: Law enforcement officers and those with a concealed weapons permit may carry firearms. During hunts, hunters may have firearms, which should be unloaded and properly stored when outside designated hunt areas. Target shooting is prohibited. Air guns are prohibited.
    if you read the actual regulation, gun carry is allowed generally where hunting is allowed - you do not have to be hunting.
    I think that's why she didn't make an issue of it Mike. We went sailing last week and put in there. I left the guns at the farm except for a Detonics that might have fallen in my pocket. Not sure about that though!

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