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    At the Ferry Farm Walmart, Stafford, VA. just east of Fredericksburg.



    I guess it’s now becoming a rite of passage for us to have encounters at Walmart. Mine was this afternoon. I had just finished shopping and coincidentally, picked up batteries for the new recorder and moved up to the checkout. My better half was with me and leading the way, when an associate approached. Very cordially, she asked if I was police. Thinking, “here it comes, stay calm.” I answered: no, just a regular citizen. So, she asked me not to carry the gun in the store next time I shopped. I asked to see the store manager. She called an assistant manager on the radio (only manager available). While we waited, she then told me that they had several others who had OCed and they too, had been asked to not return with the guns. I gave her the abbreviated version on Walmart's corporate policy, CCW and OC in VA. She genuinely thanked me for the brief education.:celebrate



    After about 5 minutes the asst. manager came over and I introduced myself and shook her hand. She said it was policy not to let guns be carried in the store. I asked if it was the store’s policy to not follow corporate policy. I then informed her (politely) that corporate policy is to conform to the state laws. In this case, because OC is legal in VA, OC is fine in their stores. She asked if I minded if she looked it up. I asked her to please do and I followed her to a terminal. While she searched, she remarked that no one had asked me to leave. I agreed, but did say that the contacting associate asked me not bring the gun next time. She actually had the “deer in the headlights :shock:” look, though very briefly. She found the policy on employees, then she was paged to the phone. She talked to a general manager from one of the local stores, who informed her of “the policy”. She returned and said that I was correct, but (no, no, not a but!) there are customers >with children< who do not feel comfortable with another customer carrying a gun.:what: My reply: “Yes, they need to be educated on the difference between a real threat to their children and a person who would act to protect them. Bad guys don’t open carry.” You could see the light come on over her head and several of the gaggle of associates who had gathered around, were grinning.



    I thanked her for her efforts and the professional way she handle the situation and offered to bring a copy of the corporate policy, next time in. She thanked me, shook my hand and wished me a fine evening.




    At no time was I asked to leave and the asst. manager handled it quite well, even if her heart wasn’t quite in it. We‘ll see what happens next week when I return. I just wonder who are the others that were invited to disarm “next time”.

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    Well done!

    I like your reply to the "children" ploy.

    There possiblywere not any other OCers. Inflating is a common tactic. In this case it was probably just meant to make it seem like you weren't the first, weren't being singled out.
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    Now if we can only get Walmart to start selling moreAMERICAN made products instead of importing so much from CHINA !!

    I remember 15 years ago, when Sam Walton was alive, their moto was " We buy American so you can too"....not anymore They have helped China's economy skyrocket while eliminating too many manufacturing jobs here in the U.S.A which has really hurt the economy here. Demand for gas and building materials are very high in China which drives up the prices worldwide...supply/demand.

    And Walmarts profit was over $40 billion last year:shock:.

    I'm sure most eveyone on here is a big fan of Walmart and it is a great place to shop with decent prices and a big selection, but I work in manufaturing and myemployer has been affected by the pressure that Walmart has put on our customers for lower prices. Our customers have had to relocate in China to satisfy Walmart and we had to build a manufaturing facility in China to better serve our customers, which eliminated a lot of our jobs at our plant.

    I see Walmart as a company that caters to the lower class and the lower-middle class..people whoHAVE to shop at Walmart and pinch every penny. And it really works out well for Walmart when they cause people to lose their decent paying jobs and then they HAVE to shop at Walmart. Its a win-win situation for them.

    I know this was off-the-subject but I had to vent !!

    Before you buy something look at where its made. Try your best to buy American. I know its not always possible... but try !!

    SAVE THE U.S. ECONOMY

    SAVE AMERICAN JOBS

    BUY AMERICAN

    SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .. NOT CHINA



    well ....you can all start bashing me now

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    trx680 wrote:
    Now if we can only get Walmart to start selling moreAMERICAN made products instead of importing so much from CHINA !!

    I remember 15 years ago, when Sam Walton was alive, their moto was " We buy American so you can too"....not anymore They have helped China's economy skyrocket while eliminating too many manufacturing jobs here in the U.S.A which has really hurt the economy here. Demand for gas and building materials are very high in China which drives up the prices worldwide...supply/demand.

    And Walmarts profit was over $40 billion last year:shock:.

    I'm sure most eveyone on here is a big fan of Walmart and it is a great place to shop with decent prices and a big selection, but I work in manufaturing and myemployer has been affected by the pressure that Walmart has put on our customers for lower prices. Our customers have had to relocate in China to satisfy Walmart and we had to build a manufaturing facility in China to better serve our customers, which eliminated a lot of our jobs at our plant.

    I see Walmart as a company that caters to the lower class and the lower-middle class..people whoHAVE to shop at Walmart and pinch every penny. And it really works out well for Walmart when they cause people to lose their decent paying jobs and then they HAVE to shop at Walmart. Its a win-win situation for them.

    I know this was off-the-subject but I had to vent !!

    Before you buy something look at where its made. Try your best to buy American. I know its not always possible... but try !!

    SAVE THE U.S. ECONOMY

    SAVE AMERICAN JOBS

    BUY AMERICAN

    SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .. NOT CHINA



    well ....you can all start bashing me now
    No bashing, my dad owns a small business and while he doesn't feel the direct affects of wally world since he's in a different market sector, on a level of principal he won't shop there because of what they do to small businesses. You, on a level of principal, don't seem to like them because of what they do to your employer through competition.

    I, on a level of principal, salute their success and wish that I had been the guy who thought of it. Them pushing your employer overseas proves your employer was weaker and can't compete, at least not here in the US of A. We live in a globalized economy and it ain't as simple as "buy American, save American jobs".

    I worked for Ford Motor Co in the F-150 manufacturing plant...if I drove a Dodge to work (made in Mexico) I could park close to the plant because to them Dodge = MADE IN AMERICA (North America, yes...US of America, no). If I were to have driven a Toyota (made in Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas, Indiana, etc) I would have had to park WAY back in the back away from the plant because Toyota = the Devil.

    Really funny part, they were closing the plant, and for a while, the top contender to buy the plant: Nissan Kinda throws a kink in the whole American company = American jobs...

    I don't like wally world because of the clientele that is normally there, but that's a whole different argument.

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    trx680 wrote:
    Now if we can only get Walmart to start selling moreAMERICAN made products instead of importing so much from CHINA !!

    I remember 15 years ago, when Sam Walton was alive, their moto was " We buy American so you can too"....not anymore They have helped China's economy skyrocket while eliminating too many manufacturing jobs here in the U.S.A which has really hurt the economy here. Demand for gas and building materials are very high in China which drives up the prices worldwide...supply/demand.

    And Walmarts profit was over $40 billion last year:shock:.

    I'm sure most eveyone on here is a big fan of Walmart and it is a great place to shop with decent prices and a big selection, but I work in manufaturing and myemployer has been affected by the pressure that Walmart has put on our customers for lower prices. Our customers have had to relocate in China to satisfy Walmart and we had to build a manufaturing facility in China to better serve our customers, which eliminated a lot of our jobs at our plant.

    I see Walmart as a company that caters to the lower class and the lower-middle class..people whoHAVE to shop at Walmart and pinch every penny. And it really works out well for Walmart when they cause people to lose their decent paying jobs and then they HAVE to shop at Walmart. Its a win-win situation for them.

    I know this was off-the-subject but I had to vent !!

    Before you buy something look at where its made. Try your best to buy American. I know its not always possible... but try !!

    SAVE THE U.S. ECONOMY

    SAVE AMERICAN JOBS

    BUY AMERICAN

    SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .. NOT CHINA



    well ....you can all start bashing me now
    Although I agree in part I also disagree. I do not blame Walmart for selling the lesser expensive product. I do not think that they sell goods made from China as much as they sell goods that they can sell for a lower price. The problem is not, in my opinion, Walmart as much as it is our government for overtaxing domestic business and undertaxing imports from other nations. Similarly I do not blame the illegal immigrant for moving here illegally....I blame the government for not preventing it from happening. Our government is broken and not in the Dubya sense but in the domestic security and economic sense. In the end, yes Walmart sells a percentage of goods from China....as does just about everywhere else you shop (Walmart just gets the most heat for doing so) BUT Walmart provides a very good solution to government welfare and government run healthcare. They allow us and poorer people to buy things without needing or needing minimal government handouts in the process. Its a double edged sword but not Walmarts fault in my opinion. Sure, they could purchase more expensive product made in the USA. And yes that would be GREAT!! BUT.....then the need for government assistance would increase as the poorer people of our country would have no where to really turn for affordable goods and groceries. The problem is in getting government to decrease taxes on our private industry and increasing taxes on imports as those countries do to our exports.

    Lastly dont forget that Walmart employs a LARGE amount of people and typically people who find it difficult to find work elsewhere. The GOOD that they do for their communities is often overshadowed by whatever biases can be directed at them from the media and competition.

    As for the topic on hand I am really glad to see the behavior of both parties as well as the reactions from the employees who were overseeing everything. Its another great story and positive step in the right direction.

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    trx680 wrote:
    Now if we can only get Walmart to start selling moreAMERICAN made products instead of importing so much from CHINA !!

    I remember 15 years ago, when Sam Walton was alive, their moto was " We buy American so you can too"....not anymore They have helped China's economy skyrocket while eliminating too many manufacturing jobs here in the U.S.A which has really hurt the economy here. Demand for gas and building materials are very high in China which drives up the prices worldwide...supply/demand.

    And Walmarts profit was over $40 billion last year:shock:.

    I'm sure most eveyone on here is a big fan of Walmart and it is a great place to shop with decent prices and a big selection, but I work in manufaturing and myemployer has been affected by the pressure that Walmart has put on our customers for lower prices. Our customers have had to relocate in China to satisfy Walmart and we had to build a manufaturing facility in China to better serve our customers, which eliminated a lot of our jobs at our plant.

    I see Walmart as a company that caters to the lower class and the lower-middle class..people whoHAVE to shop at Walmart and pinch every penny. And it really works out well for Walmart when they cause people to lose their decent paying jobs and then they HAVE to shop at Walmart. Its a win-win situation for them.

    I know this was off-the-subject but I had to vent !!

    Before you buy something look at where its made. Try your best to buy American. I know its not always possible... but try !!

    SAVE THE U.S. ECONOMY

    SAVE AMERICAN JOBS

    BUY AMERICAN

    SUPPORT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .. NOT CHINA



    well ....you can all start bashing me now
    No bashing here TRX: I commend you on your little rant. I rarely shop at Wally World, just wish my wife was the same. Love your avatar gif, Where did you get it? Is it a bumper sticker?

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    No bashing here TRX: I commend you on your little rant. I rarely shop at Wally World, just wish my wife was the same. Love your avatar gif, Where did you get it? Is it a bumper sticker?
    Its not a bumper sticker but I wish it were, I'd buy a few.

    I did buy the T-shirt though - http://www.lfod.com/american/americanmade.htm

    I just think that Americans should buy American whenever possible.Before you look at the price tag look at where its made. Support jobs here in America, not Communist China. It's like working forFord and buying aKia because theKia was a few dollars cheaper...and then wondering why Ford is losing money and getting ready to lay you off.

    Be American ... Buy American.. Or move to China !!

    I'm sorry for the rant, but.....I'm just an American

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    I, on a level of principal, salute their success and wish that I had been the guy who thought of it. Them pushing your employer overseas proves your employer was weaker and can't compete, at least not here in the US of A. We live in a globalized economy and it ain't as simple as "buy American, save American jobs".
    Well, it's not that I think my employer is weaker, but we can't compete with the $2/day wages they are paying in China. And actually if Walmart hadnt pressured our customer into going over there then we wouldnt be over there (we make parts for our customers that they use in their products and they needed us closeby so that we could make the parts and have them delivered in a timley manner and not at the cost of shipping them to the other side of the globe). And if we didnt build a plant there in China then a Chinese company would supply the parts and we would loseout anyway.

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    Infidel wrote:
    No bashing here TRX: I commend you on your little rant. I rarely shop at Wally World, just wish my wife was the same. Love your avatar gif, Where did you get it? Is it a bumper sticker?
    Its not a bumper sticker but I wish it were, I'd buy a few.

    I did buy the T-shirt though - http://www.lfod.com/american/americanmade.htm

    I just think that Americans should buy American whenever possible.Before you look at the price tag look at where its made. Support jobs here in America, not Communist China. It's like working forFord and buying aKia because theKia was a few dollars cheaper...and then wondering why Ford is losing money and getting ready to lay you off.

    Be American ... Buy American.. Or move to China !!

    I'm sorry for the rant, but.....I'm just an American
    Why should we buy goods manufactored here that are produced cheaper overseas? We can put our workers to work doing more productive things. Hundreds of years ago it took 19 people working on a farm to feed 20. Technology in agriculture advanced, and it freed people to work in other fields. Did those farming jobs that we lost really hurt us? I wish economic ignorance wasn't so rampant, we would have a much better country if people understood these things. Trade with other countries is a great thing and in a free market, only helps us. http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnS...;comments=true

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    http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0205/stossel.php3
    "Show us the jobs!" chanted union workers at an AFL-CIO rally protesting outsourcing. They were angry that "their" jobs were going overseas. So let's go look for the jobs that have disappeared. ABC News asked the AFL-CIO for its best examples of workers who lost jobs because of outsourcing. The first people they told us to talk to were Shirley and Ronnie Bernard. The Bernards used to work at a Levi's factory in Knoxville, Tenn. But then, Levi's sent jobs to Mexico and closed that plant. It "tore a lot of people up because some people have been here since they were 16 years of age, and they've been here like 20-something-odd years," one woman told the local ABC affiliate. People "were in tears," said a man. "You've done something for 20 years, got up, went to work every day, and then all of a sudden you don't have anyplace to go, and nobody needs you anymore," Shirley Bernard recalled. Lou Dobbs feels their pain. The CNN anchor has made outsourcing complaints a trademark of his show. "Just because of cheap labor, we're, we're destroying our middle class," he told me. "That is just stupid. Being stupid is un-American." But it's restricting outsourcing that would be un-American and stupid. Outsourcing benefits the middle class by bringing lower prices. Take clothing. Lots of it is made abroad these days — and Lou Dobbs sees that as a terrible thing. "This country cannot even clothe itself," he says. "Ninety-six percent of our apparel is imported." I pointed out that this gives us more choices for less money. "When was the last time you bought a suit of clothes?" Dobbs responded. "Because if your prices went down, I would be shocked." Shocked? OK, be shocked, Lou. The Labor Department keeps track of clothing prices, and its price index has been going lower and lower. But what about all those jobs going overseas? Consider 50 people in India doing programming that people in California used to do. They work for a company called Collabnet, run by Bill Portelli. The salary for each Indian programmer costs him less than half as much as an American's salary for the same job. Yet the Americans who work for his company didn't lose their jobs, because outsourcing saved Collabnet so much money, Portelli could expand in America. "Basically, I've created jobs in America," says Portelli. "I've built better products, created jobs, been able to raise salaries." Had he not been able to hire Indians, he says, he might even have gone out of business. "Then he probably should be out of business," said Lou Dobbs, "because the fact of the matter is, either his business would be successful with American workers, or it's not going to be successful at all." What?! The fact of the matter is, the most successful companies are outsourcers. And a Dartmouth study found that outsourcers are the bigger job creators. Since 1992, America has lost 361 million jobs, but during that same time, it also gained 380 million jobs — millions more than it lost. "Oh, I love my job now!" That's Shirley Bernard talking — the outsourcing "victim" the AFL-CIO wanted me to interview. At her old job at Levi's, the work was hot, noisy and physically difficult. Now, she's a secretary. She's paid more, too. She worries about the long term, and she's still an opponent of outsourcing, but she admits that many of her co-workers have moved on to better jobs. "Some of them have got, really got excellent jobs that they would never have even left Levi's for if the plant hadn't closed," she says. "This kind of forced them to ... to make a decision what they wanted to do and ... and they're really happy at what they do." When a worker is laid off, it's easy to see her pain. Here it comes down the news wire: Thousands of jobs vanish in a single day as a plant closes. The benefits of free trade are harder to spot; when one individual finds new and better work because free trade helped a company expand, it doesn't make the headlines. Shirley's Levi's plant was featured in news reports as an example of the horrible damage done to an American community by outsourcing, but when we visited the site, construction workers were building a college there. Their jobs and all the other jobs created by the college won't make the evening news, but they're a product of outsourcing, too. Stupid and un-American? Give Me a Break

    And to get back to the topic of OC at Walmart, I OC there regularly and so far have not had any issues.

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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    trx680 wrote:
    SAVE THE U.S. ECONOMY

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    BUY AMERICAN

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    well ....you can all start bashing me now
    No bashing, my dad owns a small business and while he doesn't feel the direct affects of wally world since he's in a different market sector, on a level of principal he won't shop there because of what they do to small businesses.* You, on a level of principal, don't seem to like them because of what they do to your employer through competition.*

    I, on a level of principal, salute their success and wish that I had been the guy who thought of it.* Them pushing your employer overseas proves your employer was weaker and can't compete, at least not here in the US of A.* We live in a globalized economy and it ain't as simple as "buy American, save American jobs".*

    I worked for Ford Motor Co in the F-150 manufacturing plant...if I drove a Dodge to work (made in Mexico) I could park close to the plant because to them Dodge = MADE IN AMERICA (North America, yes...US of America, no).* If I were to have driven a Toyota (made in Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas, Indiana, etc) I would have had to park WAY back in the back away from the plant because Toyota = the Devil.

    Really funny part, they were closing the plant, and for a while, the top contender to buy the plant:* Nissan** Kinda throws a kink in the whole American company = American jobs... *

    I don't like wally world because of the clientele that is normally there, but that's a whole different argument.
    Exactly, the problem with WalMart is their unfair practices towards smaller competitors unable to cope with WalMart's "techniques" (although possibly able to compete at actual sales).

    All this bellyaching about China is basically propaganda spread by our Government, who use it to distract us from the real drain on our economy: government.

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    Well that was quick. The thread went from a positive and Walmart personnel education experience onopen carry to a bashand flame Walmart thread in only the third post.
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    trx680 wrote:
    Its not a bumper sticker but I wish it were, I'd buy a few.
    http://www.makestickers.com/
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    I OC'd to that WalMart yesterday at about 1800 and nobody said a word...AtackDuck, what time did this happen? I have to wonder if my non-event visit was due to your educational experience.

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    All this bellyaching about China is basically propaganda spread by our Government, who use it to distract us from the real drain on our economy: government.
    Really?

    Sothe majority of the products that Walmart sells,which is"Made in China",really arent made in China ?

    And theres other problems here in the U.S that have contributed to our economy being the way it is, but this is about open carry and I'll stop with the Walmart/China bellyaching...at least until our major handgun manufacturers start making guns in China...but that probably won't happen since Walmart doesnt sell handguns and won't pressure them for lower prices.



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    Bundabar,

    I must have just missed you. This happened about 17:00. I would have loved to have been there to watch you coming in and wandering around. Did it feel like you were being watched rather closely?:what: :P

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    My better half works for walley world she told me that walley world go 's by the state laws so I OC all the time at the one in warrenton no problems

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    mobeewan wrote:
    Well that was quick. The thread went from a positive and Walmart personnel education experience on*open carry to a bash*and flame Walmart thread in only the third post.
    Right you are! No TSA around to prevent this highjacking.:what:

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