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    http://www.ldnews.com/ci_10545914

    Pistol-packin’ soccer mama brings on heat
    By JOHN LATIMER
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    Lebanon Daily News


    Meleanie Hain wears her loaded Glock 26 on her hip when she attends her 5-year-old daughter s soccer practices and games at Optimist Park. It s not that she s expecting trouble, Hain explains; she carries the weapon everywhere. (Jim Zengerle / Lebanon Daily News)

    What’s the difference between a bulldog and a soccer mom?
    In the case of Meleanie Hain, it’s a loaded sidearm.
    On Sept. 11, Hain created a stir among other parents when she wore her weapon — a loaded Glock 26, about the size of an adult hand — in a holster to her 5-year-old daughter’s soccer game at Optimist Park in Lebanon, also known as Southwest Park.
    Although shedid not break a law by carrying the weapon openly, she is now facing the loss of her concealed-weapons permit. But she is not giving up without a fight.
    “I’m just a soccer mom who has always openly carried (a firearm), and I’ve never had a problem before,” she said. “I don’t understand why this is



    Five-year-old Isabella Hain gives her mother a hug before heading onto the field yesterday. Former District Judge Nigel Foundling, who serves as director of the Lebanon Recreation Youth Soccer Program, told Isabella s mom in an e-mail that carrying a weapon violates the program s policy. A responsible adult would realize that such behavior has no place at a soccer game, Foundling wrote. (Jim Zengerle / Lebanon Daily News)happening to me.”

    Parents were upset by the presence of the weapon at the game being played by 4- and 5-year-olds, said Charlie Jones, who coaches one of three under-age-6 teams, known as U6, in the Lebanon Recreation Youth Soccer program.

    “More than one parent was upset,” he said. “I did not see it, but it was brought to my attention.”
    Jones, who is also the county’s public defender, said he wasn’t certain if Hain was breaking the law by wearing the gun, so he did not ask her to remove it. However, he explained to her that its presence was making parents upset and asked her to view the game from the other side of the field, away from the sideline were the kids were standing. She
    complied but continued to wear her holstered weapon, he said.
    There was no confrontation, and police were not called to the park, Jones said.
    Hain’s version of events is roughly the same as Jones’. However, she claims he raised his voice and talked over her when they spoke after the game. He denies that.
    “His basic message to me was that if I was not carrying it because I was concerned about the other parents, then I should leave it off the field and keep it in the car,” she said.
    Hain, who lives in Lebanon and operates a small business she declined to specify, said she carries her gun everywhere as a security measure and had worn it to her daughter’s other games and practices, but it was never noticed.
    Hain was not breaking the law by wearing a holstered weapon, claimed her attorney, Robert Magee of Allentown.
    “The state has a law requiring a license to carry a concealed firearm, but it does not require a license to openly carry one. ... Carrying a firearm openly is legal everywhere but in Philadelphia,” he said.
    The end of the game was not the end of the incident for Hain. In the days following, she received two notices about her decision to wear a firearm at the game.
    The first came from the Lebanon soccer-program director, Nigel Foundling, who had been contacted by Jones.
    A former district judge from Jonestown, Foundling sent an e-mail to Hain the day after the incident advising her that carrying firearms was against the program’s policy. Foundling told Hain any future attempts to do so would cause her to be banned from attending her daughter’s games. He also said he would inform police about the matter.
    “A responsible adult would realize that such behavior has no place at a soccer game,” Foundling wrote.
    The e-mail and other information about the incident were provided to the Lebanon Daily News with Hain’s permission by Mike Stollenwerk, co-founder of the OpenCarry.org — an organization promoting the right to wear firearms openly.
    Hain said Foundling had no right to prevent her from openly carrying her gun, and she has not abided by his orders.
    “After I received the e-mail, I continued to carry,” she said. “Because they play on public property, they are not allowed to prevent me from carrying even though they are a private organization. ... Nigel seems to think he could throw his weight around and pick on me even though he is not a judge anymore.”
    Foundling was unavailable for comment.
    A few days after receiving Foundling’s e-mail, Hain received a letter from county Sheriff Mike DeLeo, the local authority in charge of issuing gun licenses. A parent of another child contacted him about Hain.
    In response, DeLeo revoked her concealed-weapons permit under a statute of the Pennsylvania Uniform Firearms Act that denies permits to any “individual whose character and reputation is such that the individual would be likely to act in a dangerous manner to public safety.”
    Although DeLeo has never met Hain and does not know her, he based his decision on what he considered a lack of judgment in bringing an openly worn weapon to a youth soccer match.
    “That is my personal opinion,” he said. “I believe that, and that is why I revoked her permit. She has the right to pursue an appeal, and if the court rules that I was not justified I will be required to give her permit back.”
    Magee said he is preparing to file an appeal.
    “There is a provision of the Pennsylvania Constitution that specifically prohibits any government agency from interfering with the right of an individual to openly carry a firearm,” he said. “He’s basically punishing her for doing something she is permitted by law to do.”
    DeLeo said he was well aware of the irony that his revocation of Hain’s permit to conceal a weapon will actually force her to wear it openly if she chooses to carry her firearm. He said he wanted to bring the matter to the public’s attention, but he did not have the right to take away her gun, so revoking the permit was his only option.
    “I felt some action was needed, and I do believe that something like this should be brought to the public’s attention so the public is aware of what took place,” he said. “The public has the right to complain about the issue, and if the Legislature wants to do something, then so be it.”
    JohnLatimer@ldnews.com

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    So is the sheriff backpedaling? Reads like he is inviting further legislation to clarify the law.
    socialnewswatchDOTcom instead of Drudge

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    The last lines sum it all up:

    "“I felt some action was needed, and I do believe that something like this should be brought to the public’s attention so the public is aware of what took place,” he said. “The public has the right to complain about the issue, and if the Legislature wants to do something, then so be it.”" -Sheriff DeLeo

    This is a clear case of "Oh my god!!! Somebody do SOMETHING!!". In this case as in 99% of them, it's over nothing. Hopefully she will win her appeal. Too bad the other parents didn't realize that they were at the safest soccer game in the county.

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    So, let me see if I understand this....

    I have an unreasonable fear of fire. It is so bad that even seeing a fire-extinguisher causes me to panic...
    and the Soccor mom brings a Fire Extinguisher to her daugther's soccor game....

    Arrest Soccor mom because she caused me to be frightened and I feel much better if fire extinguishers are hidden.

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    Looks like Nigel could use a case of these:



    Maybe someday he'll grow up and realize that precious children are worth protecting from harm.

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    'Sounds like the Sheriff is a dufus acting arbitrarily on hearsay opinion w/o foundation in law or further investigation. Prob'ly buddies with this Foundling fool. 'Prob'ly sees him self as a championn of non-existant civil rights while trouncing upon actual 'civil rights. He seems to want his day in court. I hope he gets it. I also so he 'gets it' in his personal wallet.

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    Sounds like he revoked the permit out of spite. He has no problem with her open carrying, he just wants to expose her to the public and try and label her as a trouble maker.

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    Which would be Libel under color of the badge.

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    txgho1911 wrote:
    So is the sheriff backpedaling? Reads like he is inviting further legislation to clarify the law.
    The law is perfectly clear to everyone except the Sheriff.

    The Pennsylvania Constitution says that the right of the citizens to bear defensive arms SHALL NOT BE QUESTIONED.

    He's using his position of authority to help someone else harass and bully a law-abiding citizen into compliance with that person's whims and irrational psychological complexes.

    The Sheriff should acquaint himself with Pennsylvania Statutes chapter 53 (Abuse of Office), Section 5301, which criminalizes Official oppression:

    § 5301. Official oppression. A person acting or purporting to act in an official capacity or taking advantage of such actual or purported capacity commits a misdemeanor of the second degree if, knowing that his conduct is illegal, he:
    1. subjects another to arrest, detention, search, seizure, mistreatment, dispossession, assessment, lien or other infringement of personal or property rights; or
    2. denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity.
    A concealed carry license is a privilege, power, or immunity.

    He's the chief law enforcement officer, so any claim that he didn't know his conduct was illegal it's going to ring pretty hollow in front of the jury.

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    Ya ought'a send that to that local journalist... and the Sheriff.

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    Why can't Melanie go to the sheriff's office, or higher if need be, to swear an official complaint of the second degree misdemeanor cited?

    That law enforcement officer needs to be restrained.

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    Yep....


    Definitely should file charges against the Sheriff, and then slap him with a civil lawsuit as well.

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    Although, perhaps the legislature should act - by eliminating the licensing requirement completely, so that anti-gun sheriffs can no longer abuse law-abiding citizens with their power.

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    Phoenixphire wrote:
    Yep....


    Definitely should file charges against the Sheriff
    Uh, and who has the powerto do that? What would be the charge?

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    They are reading this in London today:

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    http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/...er-Mom-Gun.php

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    Pistol-packing US soccer mom loses gun permit

    The Associated PressPublished: September 24, 2008


    LEBANON, Pennsylvania: Officials revoked a woman's concealed-weapons permit because other parents complained that she was carrying her loaded handgun at her daughter's soccer games.
    Meleanie Hain says she's fighting the revocation by the Lebanon County sheriff.

    Hain lost the permit and got a warning from local soccer officials after a game on Sept. 11.

    Sheriff Michael DeLeo says openly carrying a weapon to a youth soccer match shows a lack of judgment.

    Hain tells the Lebanon Daily News she's always openly carried a firearm without any problems in the past.

    And her lawyer — Robert Magee — says that while Pennsylvania requires a permit for a concealed firearm, it doesn't require a license to carry one openly except in Philadelphia.


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    Mike wrote:
    They are reading this in London today:

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    LEBANON, Pennsylvania: Officials revoked a woman's concealed-weapons permit because other parents complained that she was carrying her loaded handgun at her daughter's soccer games.
    So I'm sure the panty-wetting, hand-wringers will be pleased that she is now openly carrying that sidearm everywhere she goes....

    These people just don't think past the first step, do they?


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    Has anyone started writing the Sheriffs office or DA's office. We have had things like this get overturned by letting people know were whatching this and how many people there are.

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    Big Del wrote:
    Has anyone started writing the Sheriffs office or DA's office. We have had things like this get overturned by letting people know were whatching this and how many people there are.
    There have been numerous letters and calls made to the sheriff from members at PAFOA.org



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    Do you have any links, as you can see I'm from Oregon but I'm still an American and this should not be allowed in any state.

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    Big Del wrote:
    Do you have any links, as you can see I'm from Oregon but I'm still an American and this should not be allowed in any state.
    It was actually posted here on OCDO, I guess I was mistaken.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/16426.html

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    One of the better media stories here:

    http://www.fox43.com/pages/landing_n...amp;feedID=589

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    Big Del wrote:
    Has anyone started writing the Sheriffs office or DA's office. We have had things like this get overturned by letting people know were whatching this and how many people there are.
    Start A petition and send it to the sheriff then he can see for sure how many are watching!!!

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    mdgary wrote:
    Big Del wrote:
    Has anyone started writing the Sheriffs office or DA's office. We have had things like this get overturned by letting people know were whatching this and how many people there are.
    Start A petition and send it to the sheriff then he can see for sure how many are watching!!!
    I beieve the number of letters he rec'd this week will get the point across.:what:

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    He seems to want his day in court. I hope he gets it. I also so he 'gets it' in his personal wallet.
    And her lawyer — Robert Magee —
    It sounds to me he is about to feel his wallet getting liter, This sheriff is a moron and dosen't belong in office, dose any one know is he elected or appointed ??

    Ether way he needs to be run outa town or at least his office.:celebrate

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    Heckyeah, someone needs to start a petition.



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