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Thread: The Obama/Biden Anti-Gun Thread

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    This forum is being inundated by threads/articles/blogs/quotes about Obama's anti-gun positions. While this is somewhat relevant to open carry, and more relevant to gun owners' rights in general, it is ridiculous to have 12 out of the top 40 threads here discussing essentially the same topic, and to have as such, 12 simultaneous discussions of the same topic.

    So I propose that Mike or John sticky this thread, and that we all try to post news stories and such about the anti-gun sentiments of Obama/Biden on this thread instead of creating a new thread, and leave the rest of the threads to deal with topics more directly relevant to OCDO. And I request from members an exercise of restraint in using abusive and/or harassing language.

    And if this is a bad idea, I would be more than happy if Mike or John deleted this thread... it just seems to me like it would streamline things to funnel this species of political discussion into one thread.

    Anyone want to start it off with a fun new article?

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    With this herd of cats cooperation to limit posting to this thread is not likely to happen.

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    Well, I'm trying...

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    It IS a good idea. But if you watch the political threads maybe you can see them as I do; an OG/intellectual/poseur (like me) finds an acute observation well stated and rips it to here. There is a delay and then the generally good responses come, followed by the retorts and then the trollery. I prefer to cut the thread, only glance at recognized goodguy posts or ignore it altogether and start again.

    I follow you guys around the forum and comment when my interest is piqued. do you think that I waste my time in a forum that has attracted Stylez or Tit-tiger?

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    This will do most of it for you:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEg1aq6Emo

    Juxtaposed statements: DC law Constitutional, now Unconstitutional (Complete, blatant lying)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFSWG...eature=related

    SB1195 2003 vote about guns (Armor piercing, against common hunting ammunition, etc, hard to pin down specifics from this CF of a bill)
    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...Sess=&Session=

    You can always use the NRA's, but I don't like their format/style (they scare the S*** out of you and sometimes don't cite their sources or blatantly exaggerate, makes us look dubious)


    FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

    FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

    FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

    FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
    FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
    FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
    FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
    FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
    FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
    FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
    FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
    FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
    FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

    FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
    FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9
    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

    1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00219)
    2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
    3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00217)

    4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...common-se.html)
    5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.
    6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck...n_obamas_c.php)
    7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_560181.html)
    8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)
    9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
    10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
    11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
    12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioio...n_edwards.html)
    13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/b..._on_shoot.html)
    14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ur...aw-enforcement.)

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    I forgot:
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...un_Control.htm
    Simple and non-biased source.

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    This isthe nicest thingI have to say about nObama acolytes:
    If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training. You will become a minister of death, PRAYING FOR WAR...

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