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    I'd like to get a semi auto version of an AK 47 or an AR 15. What's legal in CT and what can I buy here?

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    AR-15 is no problem. You can buy one that was made before a certain date in 1993 or you can buy a current one as long as it's a "post ban" model. Stag Arms is a good choice and they are located locally in New Britain. Go to Hoffmans or any other dealerand you have lot's of choices. You will not be able to buy one witha folding/collapsible stock, bayonet lug, suppressor, or grenade launcher though.

    As far as AK-47 as long as it was also made before a certain date in 1993 and it's only capable of firing in semi automatic mode you should be all set otherwise forget it.

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    You can get a Saiga as long as it isn't 7.62x39 and it isn't an "ak type" according to the attorney general and the awb.

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    If you want'a keep it a long time and not be afraid of 'messin' it up'... get the AK. 'Had mine over 20 years. I think I might'a cleaned it twice. Fires flawlessly. Norinco bottom folder... $240. new in the box w/bayonet 'n oil bottle/cleaning kit.

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    According to the oft-posted list, a Nagant.

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    Yep... bayonet yer foe across the river 'n never leave yer own hole too.

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    These rules are very stupid, but violate them and you're popped.

    Here are what CT considers firearms non grata

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    Algimec Agmi Armalite AR-180 Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol Auto-Ordnance Thompson type Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1 Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 Colt AR-15 and Sporter Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2 Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45 Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC FAMAS MAS 223 Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT Federal XC-900 and XC-450 Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12 Galil AR and ARM Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89 Holmes MP-83 MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000 Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only Scarab Skorpion SIG 57 AMT and 500 series Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3 Sterling MK-6 and MK-7 Steyr AUG Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol Weaver Arms Nighthawk Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol
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    A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon may be rapidly assembed if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

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    Move to New Hampster.... Tomorrow:P

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    you can buy an AK-74...chambered in 5.45x39mm...

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    Or, another option for you if you really had your heart set on the 7.62 x 39 would be to pick up and SKS and convert it to the AK style.

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    If you do that, (add a detachable magazine) then you have to make it conform to the assault weapons ban. You'd have to remove the flash hider, bayonet and mounts, grenade launcher, AND conform to 922r.
    I have an SKS that is stock, and it works fine as is, and I agree that an SKS is a good way to shoot 7.62x39.

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    You can buy a russian izhmash saiga in 223rem or in 308win. Its as close to an ak/akm as we'll ever get in this state. Its in a black sporter wrapper. I got mine for plinking, target shooting and hunting. Its the hottest buy on the planet.

    For a semi-auto in 7,62x39 i would look for an sks You can still find some excellent looking chinese norinco's around here.

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    There has been a russian SKS in the New Haven area bargain news for I think 400 for close to a month now. Also, a Chinese one for 375 if I recall correctly. The chinese one is probably overpriced, but the Russian for 400 I think is a pretty good price. I'd snag it, but I have a Yugo already.

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    LKB3rd wrote:
    There has been a russian SKS in the New Haven area bargain news for I think 400 for close to a month now. Also, a Chinese one for 375 if I recall correctly. The chinese one is probably overpriced, but the Russian for 400 I think is a pretty good price. I'd snag it, but I have a Yugo already.


    Newington Gun Exchange had a Norinco SKS in good condition for $250 last week.

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    They also had some norinco's for $500 too in mint condition. If you think thats over priced just wait a little longer till the yugo sks's are completely gone, we just may see the sks's hitting $750 or $1,000 by next year. The russian sks's were hitting close to $500 when the flood of yugo sks's hit our shores now that the yugo's are drying up the sks prices will start an up swing for sure. I think that $500 is just the starting point.

    I also doubt it if we'll see any new sks's comming here with the EU stopping all the exports to the US weapons wise, there mainly smashing them now into scrap steel.

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    AK's & AR's. Can they be bought face to face like other long gun in CT or do they go thru a FFL like hand guns ?.

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    I don't think the real ak's are transferable here. I think the only AK/AKM we can own is the new russian izhmash saiga in 223 or in 308. We can own the saiga or any other rifle besides the sks in that bad caliber of 7,62x39. I'm not sure if some of the ar's are banned or not.

    Yup i can own a saiga in 7,62x39 but i can have one in 308:celebrate go figure.

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    LKB3rd wrote:
    There has been a russian SKS in the New Haven area bargain news for I think 400 for close to a month now. Also, a Chinese one for 375 if I recall correctly. The chinese one is probably overpriced, but the Russian for 400 I think is a pretty good price. I'd snag it, but I have a Yugo already.
    If you see a decent looking chinese norinco sks i'd grab it at any price. I'm sure if the next ban hits we will see a big increase in all the prices across the board on anything that shoots. I think even the mention of whats maybe on the ban will start it off too. Just the thought of it right is causing what were seeing now.

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    I read some were awhile backthat AK-74's with 5.45 x 39or 223 are legal. But not AK-47's with 7.62 x 39.

    What is the difference between the 47 & 74 ?.

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    ak 74 is not a listed weapon. You can own one and you can have any "evil" feature you want on it, if it waslegally manufactured prior to 9/13/94

    Sec. 53-202m. Circumstances when assault weapons exempt from limitations on transfers and registration requirements. Notwithstanding any provision of the general statutes, sections 53-202a to 53-202l, inclusive, shall not be construed to limit the transfer or require the registration of an assault weapon as defined in subdivision (3) or (4) of subsection (a) of section 53-202a, provided such firearm was legally manufactured prior to September 13, 1994.



    Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

    (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

    (2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

    (3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

    (A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

    (i) A folding or telescoping stock;

    (ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

    (iii) A bayonet mount;

    (iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

    (v) A grenade launcher; or

    (B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

    (i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

    (ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

    (iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

    (iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

    (v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

    (C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

    (i) A folding or telescoping stock;

    (ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

    (iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

    (iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

    (4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

    (b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.

    (P.A. 93-306, S. 1; P.A. 01-130, S. 1.)

    History: P.A. 01-130 amended Subsec. (a) to delete reference to Sec. 53a-46a(h), make technical changes in Subdiv. (2) and add Subdivs. (3) and (4) re physical characteristics criteria applicable to definition of "assault weapon" and amended Subsec. (b) to delete reference to Sec. 53a-46a(h).





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    PRO2ND wrote:
    I read some were awhile backthat AK-74's with 5.45 x 39or 223 are legal. But not AK-47's with 7.62 x 39.

    What is the difference between the 47 & 74 ?.
    27 years and :
    The AKM’s receiver, compared to the AK-47, has a stamped sheet metal housing to which a rear stock trunnion and forward barrel trunnion are fastened using rivets. The receiver housing also features a rigid tubular cross-section support that adds structural strength. Guide rails that assist the bolt carrier’s movement which also includes the ejector are installed inside the receiver through spot welding.

    The forward barrel trunnion has a non-threaded socket where the barrel is embedded and a hole for a pin that secures the barrel in place. On some models the rear trunnion has two extended mounting arms on both sides that support the buttstock, other fixed models use a stepped shaped trunnion that covers the full width of the inside of the receiver.

    The stamped dust cover contains both longitudinal and latitudinal reinforcing ribs for increased durability and decrease weight because of the use of thinner sheet metal

    The AKM’s barrel is installed in the forward trunnion and pinned (as opposed to the AK-47, which has a one piece receiver with trunnions that are not removable and a barrel that is screwed-in). Additionally the barrel has horizontal guide slots that help align and secure the handguards in place. To increase the weapon’s accuracy during rapid fire, the AKM was fitted with a slant cut muzzle brake that helps redirect expanding propellant gases upward and to the right during firing. The muzzle brake is threaded on to the end of the barrel. The AKM's slant brake can also be used on the AK-47.

    The AKM also has a modified trigger assembly, equipped with a hammer-release delaying device (installed on the same axis pin together with the trigger and disconnector). This device reduces "trigger slap" or "trigger bounce" and the weapon’s rate of fire, which also reduces the dispersion of bullets when firing in fully-automatic mode. The hammer was also changed and equipped with a protrusion that engages the rate reducer and the trigger has only one notched hammer release arm (compared to two parallel arms in the AK-47).




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    The gas block in the AKM does not have a cleaning rod capture or sling loop but is instead fitted with an integrated bayonet support collar that has a cleaning rod guide hole. The forward sling loop was relocated to the front handguard retainer cap, the handguard retainer also has notches that determine the position of the handguards on the barrel. The AKM’s laminated wood handguards have lateral grooves that help securely grip the rifle.

    Gas relief ports that alleviate gas pressure in the piston cylinder (placed horizontally in a row on the gas cylinder in the AK-47) were moved forward to the gas block and placed in a radial arrangement.

    The AKM’s bolt carrier is slightly lighter in weight and despite some minor differences in its shape – it can be used interchangeably with the AK-47’s bolt carrier and bolt.

    The wooden stock used in the AKM is further hollowed in order to reduce weight and is different in shape to a small degree.

    The AKM uses a modified return spring mechanism, which replaces the single recoil spring guide rod with a dual “U”-shaped wire guide.

    The AKM’s rear sight consists of a ramp with a range scale marked from 100 to 1,000 m (graduated every 100m), as compared to that of the original AK-47, which was graduated to 800meters. The rear sight leaf’s position teeth that secure the sliding adjustable notch were transferred over from the right to the left edge of the ramp. The front sight post also has a slightly different shape and its bottom portion is more narrow.

    The AKM comes supplied with a different accessory kit that contains a M1959 6H4 or 6H3-type bayonet (that forms a wire-cutting device when coupled with its scabbard) and comes with synthetic or alloy magazines. The kit also comes with a punch used to drive out various pins and a device that aids in assembling the rate retarding mechanism.

    The AKM uses the same ammunition as the AK-47: the 7.62x39mm M43 intermediate rifle cartridge. The arrangement of mechanisms and parts in the AKM and their interaction during loading and firing is practically identical to AK-47, the only difference being the trigger assembly (during the return stage of the bolt carrier on fully automatic mode) as a result of incorporating the rate reducer device.

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    LKB3rd wrote:
    You can get a Saiga as long as it isn't 7.62x39 and it isn't an "ak type" according to the attorney general and the awb.
    what is the use of buying a Saiga if it isn't a 7.62x39? That is part of what makes an AK an AK--just like the 5.56 NATO makes an AR an AR....who wants a .22lr that looks like an AK?

    if you can buy it there--buy an SKS they are 7.62x39 and they don't look like those "evil mean military style rifles" that this government is trying to scare us sh&&less of...



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    buketdude wrote:
    you can buy an AK-74...chambered in 5.45x39mm...
    it is still a good round too.

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    Thanks for the replys.

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    suntzu wrote:
    LKB3rd wrote:
    You can get a Saiga as long as it isn't 7.62x39 and it isn't an "ak type" according to the attorney general and the awb.
    what is the use of buying a Saiga if it isn't a 7.62x39? That is part of what makes an AK an AK--just like the 5.56 NATO makes an AR an AR....who wants a .22lr that looks like an AK?

    if you can buy it there--buy an SKS they are 7.62x39 and they don't look like those "evil mean military style rifles" that this government is trying to scare us sh&&less of...

    The Saiga is legal in CT in .223 and .308 so I'm not sure where you got the .22lr from. I bought the .308 as I wanted a minimum 7.62x39 but didn't want to go SKS as I keep hearing they are a hit or miss on quality, etc.

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