ProShooter
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VCDL President wrote:Actually, you did have to show the officer both your CHP and ID on demand, since you admitted to carrying concealed to him.
True you have to show CHP and photo ID; it doesn't have to bea driver license, though.
Have you had a chance to try this approach, and if so, how'd it work out?Do not give your photo ID or CHP to an officer. You must only display them if demanded. I have a plastic badge cover and neck badge system. Placing these in the open is displaying them. If they want the information they can look at the documents you are displaying and write down the info. Do not let yourself be temporarily detained by LEO by letting LEO hold your documents. There is no legal authority for LEOs to do so for concealed carry.
Cite: Code of VA 18.2 308 H - The person issued the permit shall have such permit on his person at all times during which he is carrying a concealed handgun and shall display the permit and a photo-identification issued by a government agency of the Commonwealth or by the United States Department of Defense or United States State Department (passport) upon demand by a law-enforcement officer.
Some recorders fit nicely in cell phone cases or folding knife carriers - try the generic nylon type - it works for me.Good advice. Yesterday I tested out a new recorder I got a few weeks ago. I'm pleased with the quality, although carrying it in the same pocket as my cell phone makes it sound as if I have a peg leg. *clink* *clink* *clink* *clink* Once stopped, the sound quality is great.
Actually, you did have to show the officer both your CHP and ID on demand, since you admitted to carrying concealed to him.
This reminds me that the Town Attorney never got back to me about that damned illegal sign :cuss:
Yes - a good chance VCDL will be visiting Wytheville. Can you verify the sign is still up?
It would seem that a personal visit to him is in order ....mit recorder.They never responded to my letter either.
VCDL President wrote:Actually, you did have to show the officer both your CHP and ID on demand, since you admitted to carrying concealed to him.
This reminds me that the Town Attorney never got back to me about that damned illegal sign :cuss:
Yes - a good chance VCDL will be visiting Wytheville. Can you verify the sign is still up?
I did an FOI request about Bills incident. Let's see if they respond to that on time.They never responded to my letter either.
VCDL President wrote:Actually, you did have to show the officer both your CHP and ID on demand, since you admitted to carrying concealed to him.
This reminds me that the Town Attorney never got back to me about that damned illegal sign :cuss:
Yes - a good chance VCDL will be visiting Wytheville. Can you verify the sign is still up?
I got the FOI Bill. I'll talk to you about it next week. Deer season starts Saturday and Depending on how the hunting is, I'll be back sometime next week.Grapeshot wrote:It would seem that a personal visit to him is in order ....mit recorder.
Anybody in the area up for it?
Yata hey
Sure. I'm in.
I've got to say though, I'm surprised at all the attention this has drawn on the boards. I figured I'd post my little incident, one or two folks would make a short response and the thread would wander off into the sunset of page 3. I had no idea anyone would file an FOIA request or talk of travelling all the way down here, particularly since no one's been arrested or unlawfully detained (AFAIK.) I wasn't disarmed or even patted down. Other than feeling a bit insulted when told to carry a smaller gun*, and dealing with a cop who carried a large chip on his shoulder and misquoted a law to me it wasall buta non-issue, with the intial encounter lasting four, maybe five minutes, tops.
I've got to say in the Wytheville PD's defense, with this one time, what few other times I've dealt with their officers, they've been pretty professional and courteous. And the one and onlytime I was stopped wasfor an expiredtown sticker. It was right in front of the bank, he let me go with a warningwhen I showed him the chit for the new one and told him I was depositing my paycheck and then off to the town offices to pay my water bill and buy the sticker. (I was and I did.) I remember thinking how odd it was that he didn't even call in my tags or driver's license. OTOH, it may not be a bad idea to flood the town with OC'ers for a day.
Taking Grapeshot's advice, I have drafted a letter to the Chief of Police about Officer Clemmons' attitude and actions, but I figured I'd wait until Tuesday night after Lions Club to talk with a fellow Lion and friend of mine, SheriffDoug (the elected sheriff, not a deputy), about the incident and to find out a little bit about the personality of Chief Ayers, the town'sChief of Police.
Anyways, thanks for the support guys, and thanks too, Peter, for your help in the audio file.
*I was carrying aCZ82 (in IWB holster, with only the grip and hammervisible.) Granted, it's bigger than my Model 36 or my Walther PP, but I always considered the CZ 82 and 83 to be on the smallish size of the scale.
He approached me and asked if I was carrying a firearm and I replied "yes." He then asked for my CCW, which I produced and then asked for my driver's license. I replied that I wasn't required to produce my driver's license (as I was producing it anyways)but would ID myself for them. At that point Officer Clemmons grew belligerent (and the wife started to get panicky) and started talking about handcuffs and arrest (while he had possession of my driver's license.) I dropped the matter of the driver's license as he proceeded to call me in..."Can I get a 'wanted check' on a white male..."
First off, I absolutely agree with every word you have said. But I also think it's pretty important to mention that the question "am I being detained" is often looked upon as "contempt of cop" by some of these new rookies who grew up watching COPS on TV. Some rookies go ballistic when you start talking like an attorney. You have challenged his or herauthority in being up in your face asking questions. In most cases it's nothing but downhill from here. So be prepared for the steep slope.The FIRST thing out of your mouth in any police encounter (that you didn’t initiate by calling them) should be, “Am I being detained?”