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Who do we vote for?

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The question I would like to see answered at tommorrow night's town hall meeting:
As public officials, you have both sworn to protect and defend the constitution of the United States. Yet acts of Congress are at times declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, whose members have also taken the same oath. Could you tell us, from all the votes which you cast as a member of the Senate, which piece of legislation caused you to do the most soul searching with regards to this official oath and your duties to the nation- and how did you finally reach conflict resolution?
 

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A different person's perspective:



Dennis Fusaro, a Republican and pro-gun activist in Virginia who served for a time as Ron Paul's national field director, said he would not be voting for either Obama or McCain. A lifetime member of the NRA, Fusaro was director of state legislation for the Gun Owners of America, a hardcore gun-rights group that describes itself as "no compromise."

"On paper, Obama appears worse than McCain," he said. But McCain is more dangerous, he argued, because he is more likely to successfully enact legislation that would result in fewer rights for gun owners. Obama, Fusaro believes, simply won't make the issue a priority.




http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/23/politics/main4472798.shtml?source=mostpop_story
 

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PrayingForWar wrote:
C. 3rd Party,  Obama vote by default.

That's funny, my Democrat friends tell me that a third party vote is the same as a vote for McCain. Yet my Republican friends tell me a 3rd party vote is the same as a vote for Obama. So a third party vote is a vote for both of them? How can that be?

A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. And as long as you vote for evil, you are the cause of the problem. 3rd parties could easily win if it weren't for the sheeple who follow the crowds. And while we regularly rip on the sheep here on this forum, many here simply are just another sheep when it comes time to vote.
 

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"Obama however, is arguably the most anti-gun presidential candidate ever to run."

Not just anti-second ammendment but totallyanti-Constitution and anti-American. His recientassaults on the first ammendment coupled with his anti-second ammendment record show that he has no respect for rights guarenteed by the Constitution at all.

I fully expect that withnObama as POTUSwe will see a all out assault on every right we have.
 

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Huck wrote:
I fully expect that withnObama as POTUSwe will see a all out assault on every right we have.
Are you old enough to remember the flaming Buddhist Monks of the Vietnam Era and others? Do we have that much courage, not to self-immolate but to die for a cause? How old are you? Was "from my cold dead dead hands" mere rhetoric? Are you watching your neighbors and their overt indications of political preference and making lists? Will your town cop follow directions or the law?
 

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Doug Huffman wrote:
Huck wrote:
I fully expect that withnObama as POTUSwe will see a all out assault on every right we have.
Are you old enough to remember the flaming Buddhist Monks of the Vietnam Era and others? Do we have that much courage, not to self-immolate but to die for a cause? How old are you? Was "from my cold dead dead hands" mere rhetoric? Are you watching your neighbors and their overt indications of political preference and making lists? Will your town cop follow directions or the law?

Piffle and doodlysquat.

Folks, Obama does not make himself an enemy of the Constitution just by insisting that stations broadcasting NRA's campaigns against him tell the truth.

Doug, Huck: come on, tone it down and get off Condition Red.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
Huck wrote:
I fully expect that withnObama as POTUSwe will see a all out assault on every right we have.
Are you old enough to remember the flaming Buddhist Monks of the Vietnam Era and others? Do we have that much courage, not to self-immolate but to die for a cause? How old are you? Was "from my cold dead dead hands" mere rhetoric? Are you watching your neighbors and their overt indications of political preference and making lists? Will your town cop follow directions or the law?

Piffle and doodlysquat.

Folks, Obama does not make himself an enemy of the Constitution just by insisting that stations broadcasting NRA's campaigns against him tell the truth.

Doug, Huck: come on, tone it down and get off Condition Red.
No, doing that and demanding that he as his brownshirts determine what truth IS does.

All the lies in the world won't change the fact that Obama is the most fanatically anti-gun candidate of any major party in history.

Nobody's afraid of Obama and his "truth squads". I say, BRING IT.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
Huck wrote:
I fully expect that withnObama as POTUSwe will see a all out assault on every right we have.
Are you old enough to remember the flaming Buddhist Monks of the Vietnam Era and others? Do we have that much courage, not to self-immolate but to die for a cause? How old are you? Was "from my cold dead dead hands" mere rhetoric? Are you watching your neighbors and their overt indications of political preference and making lists? Will your town cop follow directions or the law?

Piffle and doodlysquat.

Folks, Obama does not make himself an enemy of the Constitution just by insisting that stations broadcasting NRA's campaigns against him tell the truth.

Doug, Huck: come on, tone it down and get off Condition Red.

Obama has not made himself an enemy of the constitution because of his underhanded slimy efforts to suppress free speech. NoBama has made himself an enemy of the constitution through his tireless efforts to deny people their civil rights. NoBama is NoBetter than others that have fought to suppress our rights. J. Edgar Hoover and the KKK come to mind.:cuss::cuss::banghead::banghead::uhoh::uhoh:
 

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The Donkey wrote:
A different person's perspective:



Dennis Fusaro, a Republican and pro-gun activist in Virginia who served for a time as Ron Paul's national field director, said he would not be voting for either Obama or McCain. A lifetime member of the NRA, Fusaro was director of state legislation for the Gun Owners of America, a hardcore gun-rights group that describes itself as "no compromise."

"On paper, Obama appears worse than McCain," he said. But McCain is more dangerous, he argued, because he is more likely to successfully enact legislation that would result in fewer rights for gun owners. Obama, Fusaro believes, simply won't make the issue a priority.




http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/23/politics/main4472798.shtml?source=mostpop_story
I'm sorry Mr. Fusaro is so deluded. With an anti-gun congress, I guarantee you it will become a priority within his first two years in office. (And I'll betcha $10 if it comes to pass, Webb will be on the Obama side of the vote.)
 

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KatieVT wrote:
Here's my take on Obama/McCain...

Obama will be very, very bad for the country. However, I believe that McCain will be WORSE - hear me out, please. McCain is NOT a conservative. His name is regularly pinned with some of the most liberal Democrats in the Senate on some very liberal bills.
Here's how one writer put it over on NHunderground forum:

Done walking on eggshells - a little freaked out.

This is my latest blog. i'll be honest, i hope my neo-con family still speaks to me after reading it -

"a letter to everyone voting for john mccain"

The idea that thousands of conservatives will flush their principles down the toilet for such an advocate of huge government this November is sickening. And why are you doing this? The most common answer I hear goes something like "Well, he's better then Obama!"

People, I am telling you right now that he is NOT better then Obama - he is worse. He is worse, because he has that magic "R" next to his name that makes conservatives (especially Christian conservatives, for some reason) put down their guard and blindly follow their leader. At least if Obama were elected, you would be on your guard against his harmful policies.

Let's face it - if Al Gore had been the one to make the imperialistic decision to invade Iraq, resulting in the deaths of countless civilians and expanding the government at a rate never before seen in this country, you would have realized then that it was a horrible idea. Yet somehow, since President Bush had that magic "R" next to his name, you all looked the other way. Many of you, right now, still feel that the disgusting acts of his regime are justified. When will you all wake up?

There are no more conservatives in Washington, with the exception of one - and you all laughed him off the stage. You have been duped! All of these so-called republicans are spineless, big government cowards. They had total control if the 90's, and did NOTHING. Actually, that is not true. They did one thing - they made the government bigger!

This year, you all had the chance to elect the most pro-life, small government, pro-gun, anti-tax presidential candidate of the last 100 years - and you booed him off the stage, because big government jerks like Sean Hannity told you to. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for calling yourselves conservatives.

I just want to end this with an even more personal note. Lately, I have been afraid. I have been afraid that when the government that you are voting into office shows up at my door to take my guns or silence my peaceful protest, and I refuse, and they either shoot me or lock me up, you will all be watching it on the evening news and thinking to yourselves, "Thank God we are being protected from these dangerous terrorists."
 

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Tess wrote:
(And I'll betcha $10 if it comes to pass, Webb will be on the Obama side of the vote.)
$10 for me if Webb and Obama both support a major gun control initiative not endorsed by the NRA, and you've got a bet Tess!
 

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drkarrow wrote:
PrayingForWar wrote:
C. 3rd Party, Obama vote by default.

That's funny, my Democrat friends tell me that a third party vote is the same as a vote for McCain. Yet my Republican friends tell me a 3rd party vote is the same as a vote for Obama. So a third party vote is a vote for both of them? How can that be?

A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. And as long as you vote for evil, you are the cause of the problem. 3rd parties could easily win if it weren't for the sheeple who follow the crowds. And while we regularly rip on the sheep here on this forum, many here simply are just another sheep when it comes time to vote.


I agree in principle, but if nObama gets in, there's no question our problems will get worse. I remember Ross Perot all too well. It would have been great if he won. However, there is a %40 hardcore liberal voting block. If we allow our votes to be watered down again, I expect disaster. Further, none of the 3rd party choices interest me. Barr is OK, but I don't like the idea of withdrawing from Iraq before its over. It's close to there now, in a few years it will be if we hold the line. I'm a vet as well, and I expect to go back in 2009. Who's the other guy? Nobody know's who he is, he has no chance. Ron Paul? Give me a break, the guy is surrounded by the 9/11 truth tin foil hat brigade, of course we laughed him off the stage. I used to like him, and I would have supported him if not for his obnoxious followers.



For you people who keep asking about my name, I'll explain it once:

My friend had a name on a blog called "prayingforwarriors" that was shortend to "prayingforwar..." by space constraints on the page. It drove moonbats insane, so I used it.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Tess wrote:
(And I'll betcha $10 if it comes to pass, Webb will be on the Obama side of the vote.)
$10 for me if Webb and Obama both support a major gun control initiative not endorsed by the NRA, and you've got a bet Tess!
Okay, now you're quibbling. What's MAJOR? And you know as well as I that Obama doesn't have to support it -- his legislature will bring him bill after bill after bill that all he has to do is sign or allow to become law.
 

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Tess wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Tess wrote:
(And I'll betcha $10 if it comes to pass, Webb will be on the Obama side of the vote.)
$10 for me if Webb and Obama both support a major gun control initiative not endorsed by the NRA, and you've got a bet Tess!
Okay, now you're quibbling. What's MAJOR? And you know as well as I that Obama doesn't have to support it -- his legislature will bring him bill after bill after bill that all he has to do is sign or allow to become law.

Let me be clearer then:

1. Any gun control measure not endorsed by NRA

2. That Webb votes for; and

3. Obama signs;

Gets you $10. Otherwise $$$ for me!:)
 

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PrayingForWar wrote:
drkarrow wrote:
There will be more than two choices on the ballot.

Yes there will be 3 "choices"

A. John McCain, probably no increased gun control.

B. Barrak Obama, CERTAIN increased gun control.

C. 3rd Party, Obama vote by default.



Don't be stupid people, McCain is a lousy choice, but Palin is one of us, a true champion of our side. With her next in line, we can tolerate McCain. If obama gets in, he'll bring every sort of leftist fruitcake with him, socialism, and surrender to jihad.
+100000000

...and Obama will pick anti-second amendment judges. Anyone that says they support Obama and the second amendment is stupid or lair.

Defeat Obama!
 

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Tess wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
Tess wrote:
(And I'll betcha $10 if it comes to pass, Webb will be on the Obama side of the vote.)
$10 for me if Webb and Obama both support a major gun control initiative not endorsed by the NRA, and you've got a bet Tess!
Okay, now you're quibbling. What's MAJOR? And you know as well as I that Obama doesn't have to support it -- his legislature will bring him bill after bill after bill that all he has to do is sign or allow to become law.
...and lets not forget all the judges that will try and make law from the bench that he will pick.

Obama apologists make me sick.

A vote for Obama is a vote against the second amendment.

Defeat Obama/Biden 08!
 

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If we start talking about right-wing, anti-enforcement/anti-incorporation judges, I could win a good dinner on the wagers.:)
 

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The Donkey wrote:
If we start talking about right-wing, anti-enforcement/anti-incorporation judges, I could win a good dinner on the wagers.:)


Donkey,

You amaze me. You support the party that murdered gun owners, women and children in Waco Tx. It was BATFE that assaulted Americans there to make a public opinion film to lobby for more taxpayers money.

It was the Democrat Party that justified the murder and holocaust there in the name of political expeediency.

It was not John McLaim that stood up to tyranny and genocide in in the aftermath of Waco. No the congressman that led the congressional investigation was named Bob Barr. He stood for gun owners, not the BATFE. He stood for the rule of law, not the murderous rage of Democrats Bill Clinton and Janet Reno.

I will support the only pro gun presidential candidate, the one who fought the Democrats and led the congressional investigation of the Democrat holocaust in Waco, Bob Barr.

Until you admit the intentional evil done against gun owners by the last Democrat Regime to hold the reigns, you cannot expect us to vote for the Democrat party.

Barr 08
 
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