Who do we vote for?

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demnogis wrote:

I'll be voting for Chuck Baldwin. I don't agree with all the directives of the constitution party, but by large majority I do.

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LOL, from Bignflnut's kind of logic you are committing a horrible act. your supporting someone that you dont agree with on everything. Your voting for someone that heck must be evil! You cant make a vote for someone you dont agree with on every last issue!

Ofcourse he might forgive you because your voting for the 'party' he likes.

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Skeptic wrote:

bignflnut wrote:

This is not said as an endorsement of Obama, but a way to show that McCain and Obama are equally horrific.

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How is closing 95% of gun shops , shutting down all firearms dealers that don't work from a gun store, and shutting down private sales equally horrific to ending private sales?

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They have to be equally horrible....otherwise his whole argument about voting third party is proven silly!

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Flintlock wrote:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and thinking the results will be different." Albert Einstein.

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How many times has the constitution party proven itself to be unable to make a competitive run for the presidency? But, hey...next time will be different right?

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

Flintlock wrote:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and thinking the results will be different." Albert Einstein.

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How many times has the constitution party proven itself to be unable to make a competitive run for the presidency? But, hey...next time will be different right?

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Again I say, a vote not for John McCain is a vote cast away. You folks that stand on your principles, more power to ya, God Bless you. But casting a vote for a candidate just to show the other two parties that, "Hey I'm not happy about either of your candidates" is like shooting at the deer that's already gone over the hill. Well it felt good at the time,,but scared the deer away for miles. No offense boys and girls, but trying to get a third party candidate elected in THIS election is like pissin in the wind. You'll not get the mission accomplished without gettin something on ya,,and you're still gonna be pissed off,,and BTW pissed on.

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

demnogis wrote:

I'll be voting for Chuck Baldwin. I don't agree with all the directives of the constitution party, but by large majority I do.

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LOL, from Bignflnut's kind of logic you are committing a horrible act. your supporting someone that you dont agree with on everything.

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Of course that's not true. I don't expect that any voter will agree 100% with the candiate that they vote FOR. I would expect that percentage to be north of 50%, though.

Well meaning people can differ on minor issues. I would expect that voters not be voting for someone who eliminates Rights (Call me naive).

Which of McCain / Obama's policies do you agree with:

We should nationalize more of our financial and healthcare sectors,

We should rely on international bodies to resolve disputes abroad (UN, NATO, "League of Democracies" that McCain offered),

We should continue with entitlement programs that redistribute wealth (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid). Enhancing them with Prescription Drug Coverage for seniors,

We should borrow and print money at increasing paces, increasing inflation pressures,

We should continue to have millions of abortions each year (for stem cell research and as "last-chance" contraception),

Firearm sales need more regulation,

Schools need more money while achieving less. We should continue to teach our children less about America's Founding and strive for a "world class" education (which is to say, put our work force on par with the rest of the world's),

Global warming is man made and we need to work with the international community to correct this issue thru a series of Enron style cap and trade deals,

The Constitution is not a restraint on government, since we live in a democracy and the majority rules (which is why some fear a Democrat supermajority and wish for a Republican supermajority).

Tell me how your vote for McCain will be seen as anything but support for the above policies.

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

Flintlock wrote:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and thinking the results will be different." Albert Einstein.

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How many times has the constitution party proven itself to be unable to make a competitive run for the presidency? But, hey...next time will be different right?

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Did you bother to even watch the third party debates? In case you missed it and you have some spare time, they go into some detail of the absurd challenges they have to go through to achieve ballot status and how the Presidential debates areorganized by a private corporation that is run by the former heads of the Democratic and Republican parties.

They are not being properly polled and they are not allowed access to any debates. They are shunned by the biased media, despite their growing population in voter registration and money-raising capability. Until they are allowed accessto a major public platformto refute any promises the two majorparty slugs offer, it will take a very long time and it is unfortunate for all of us to not get tohear another point of view.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-10-27/third-party-presidential-debate/

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Flintlock wrote:

DonTreadOnMe wrote:

Flintlock wrote:

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and thinking the results will be different." Albert Einstein.

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How many times has the constitution party proven itself to be unable to make a competitive run for the presidency? But, hey...next time will be different right?

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Did you bother to even watch the third party debates? In case you missed it and you have some spare time, they go into some detail of the absurd challenges they have to go through to achieve ballot status and how the Presidential debates areorganized by a private corporation that is run by the former heads of the Democratic and Republican parties.

They are not being properly polled and they are not allowed access to any debates. They are shunned by the biased media, despite their growing population in voter registration and money-raising capability. Until they are allowed accessto a major public platformto refute any promises the two majorparty slugs offer, it will take a very long time and it is unfortunate for all of us to not get tohear another point of view.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-10-27/third-party-presidential-debate/

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Please...Ron Paul got a lot of face time and was in some of the debates. Anyone that wanted to hear more could find it. He had very active core supporters that made his side available very effectivly. Still, he failed to catch on, he failed gain traction....its that simple.

I paid close attention...but I like many people had issues that where deal breakers with Ron Paul. It was not lack of exposure, but issues that spelled his doom as a candidate. He had a shot and lost.

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

Please...Ron Paul got a lot of face time and was in some of the debates. Anyone that wanted to hear more could find it. He had very active core supporters that made his side available very effectivly. Still, he failed to catch on, he failed gain traction....its that simple.

I paid close attention...but I like many people had issues that where deal breakers with Ron Paul. It was not lack of exposure, but issues that spelled his doom as a candidate. He had a shot and lost.

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Ummm... OK.

I never mentioned anything about Ron Paul other than when I said that I liked him. He ran as a Republican, not a third-party candidate. He has since endorsed Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party and is himself running for re-election to Congress.. Asa Republican!

Did you even click on the link that I posted or did you just partially read the link and come to the conclusion that I was talking about Ron Paul? That siteis just where I found and watched the debates. The debate was between Nader and Baldwin.

Not really sure what your point was on the last post...

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marshaul wrote:

Citizen wrote:

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400HP wrote:

ne1 wrote:

Both major candidates are middle-of-the road. That is how they got this far.

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You are kidding right? Obama is no way moderate, not even close.

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Please explain all the ways in which McCain differs from Obama with regards to socialism and moderatism.

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Gonna be a really short list, I think.

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Non-existent, as it turns out.

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I don't sit here and monitor the forums. That being said, it is pretty clear that McCain and Obama are worlds apart. I am not going to waste my keyboard energy arguing the obvious. Obama is a socialist, would take my guns if he could, has no issue leaving a surviving baby from a botched abortion to die.

That is enough more me. The guy is a fake.

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Uh, just me sayin it, but McCain is against abortion, and no offense I'm for social security, mostly because i've paid into it for about 40 years,,and, yeah, I'm for better health care for seniors, hell I'm just about there. Medicaid for US citizens that can't afford it,,kinda hard to take but ALL US citizens deserve treatment for medical issues. Do I think we need to Boot out all Illegal aliens,,you betcha. Do I want to fund abortions or babies that some folks pop out just to get bigger welfare checks,,hell no. Vote the way you're gonna,,nothing I or anyone else here is going to change anyone's mind,,but if we get nObama because of a 1% vote for third party candidates I'm gonna say "Told ya so"

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Chuck Baldwin and Ralph Nader had ainteresting debate on C-SPAN from Princeton:

neither will get my vote, but the debate should be available on theInternet.

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KansasMustang wrote:

Uh, just me sayin it, but McCain is against abortion, ...

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I disagree. Here's the Pro Abortion record for McCain:

http://artlaction.com/release/20081012/john-mccains-tragic-pro-abortion-record

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KansasMustang wrote:

Do I think we need to Boot out all Illegal aliens,,you betcha.

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McCain is for "comprehensive immigration reform" (amnesty) as well. He co-authored such a bill with Ted Kennedy.

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KansasMustang wrote:

and no offense I'm for social security, mostly because i've paid into it for about 40 years,,and, yeah, I'm for better health care for seniors, hell I'm just about there. Medicaid for US citizens that can't afford it,,kinda hard to take but ALL US citizens deserve treatment for medical issues.

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Correct. All Americans deserve medical treatments, but guess what? It is not a constitutional responsibility of the federal government nor your fellow tax payer to provide such treatments. It is your responsibility. I have stayed healthy my whole life and hardly visit a doctor. Why should I have to pay for the smokerfour states away that sits on the couch and treats himself like crap with a bad diet and zero exercise? It is simple welfare any way you cut it.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Perscription drug benefits, etc. are socialistprograms that have anabsolutely zero constitutional basis for existing. I also have payed into Social Security for a long timeand I realize thatit is not a program that can be eliminated overnight. But it's existence is no more constitutional than a full-scale national health care program or evena gun ban.

Vote the way you're gonna,,nothing I or anyone else here is going to change anyone's mind,,but if we get nObama because of a 1% vote for third party candidates I'm gonna say "Told ya so"

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LOL, I live in Alaska. Whom do you think will win my state regardless of what I do? If you want to point fingers at someone when the Obamanancy happens next week, point it at the Republican Party for failing to adhere to their oath of office and for discracing the American people for six years when they were in control (bloating the government by 40%).

Blame the good people of America that voted for McCain in the primary when the only worse candidate to choose was Guiliani...

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The Donkey wrote:

Chuck Baldwin and Ralph Nader had ainteresting debate on C-SPAN from Princeton:

neither will get my vote, but the debate should be available on theInternet.

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Thanks Donkey, I had already posted the link to the debatea few posts ago..

http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-10-27/third-party-presidential-debate/

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I will be voting for Chuck Baldwin as well. This mentality of the lesser of two evils is rediculous! People do have more than two choices!!! And if 33% of the people voted third party it would make it very interesting!!

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I have already cast my ballot to the winds of history and voted for The Constitution Party and its Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates. GoOD bless us all.

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Ok, I'm willing to hear anyone tell us all why a vote for McCain is a vote for our Unalienable Rights. Will anyone take me up on that?

Where's the Pro-Rights position that McCain took prior to being a POTUS candidate that he hasn't waffled on?

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I love it.

17 pages, and nothing new to be said after the first.

let me let ya'll in on a little secret. for those of you who blindly insist that my voting third party is going to "be to blame" for an Obama presidency, what an idiotic statement. you want to blame someone, blame you awe inspiring "grand old party" they are the ones who are to blame, by nominating (SURPRISE!) yet another half-assed neocon warmongering idiot for their candidate.

"McCain is the choice for the 2A crowd" give me a break. McCain is for ending private sales, and for banning "saturday night specials" that is infringement, same as the AWB. let's say your candidate gets elected what next? a DEM controlled congress passes legislation outlawing "saturday night specials", as defined by the ATF criteria for imortation, and then what? for those of you who don't realize, at least one Glock has been banned from importation due to the fact that it doesn't meet the requirements. anyone who wants can wade through this thread and find an earlier post where I linked to the checklist, and check their own BUGS against the list.

just a hint. if it's barrel is under 3", and it's .380 or less, its probably a SNS.

for those of you who don't realize, we currently have a democratic majority in both houses, and we probably wil retain many incumbents for the next session of congress. Life is hard for a Republican president with a democratic congress. with all of McCains "maverick" BS, and all of his talk about "reaching across party aisles", do you really believe he won't sacrifice a few "lesser" principles like RTKBA? do you seriously believe that he wouldn't sign a bill into law that he wanted passed to "save the economy" if the Dem majority stuck a gun control ammendment onto it?

If you don't believe that McCain will sell every last one of you down the river, then you are blind.

someone posted the Einstein quote earlier about doing the same thing over and over again. the ironic part is that it was attached to some pro McCain rhetoric.

ya'll vote Republicrat over and over again, and every time, the party takes a crap in your breakfast the day after the election. same thing with the few democrats on this board. you want real progress? real hope? real change? stop acting like cowards bowing down before the Repulican party no matter what crap they do to you. McCains nomination should be enough to prove to you that the GOP doesn't care about you. vote 3rd party, and actually take a stand

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The republicrats and their pollsters have become very good at dividing us on any number of scores. We have red states/ blue states, male/ female, youth/ seniors, blue collar/ white collar,etc., etc. All of these distinctions are touted to explain why we should vote one way or the other but, the truth be told, we all fit into many distinct groups.

The single group that we all identify with is AMERICAN. If we are going to win this country back we must vote on the basis of which candidate best upholds the constitution which definesour values. I have decided that, at this time, neither republican nor democrat meets that critical requirement. If the rest of the country throws their votes away and elects Obama or McCain, don't blame me.
I'll just say "I told you so".