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    Tuesday, October 07, 2008

    Senate Candidate: Homeschoolers, Pro-Lifers, Gun Owners Threaten American Values [/b]

    I haven't been following closely the Virginia senate race between Democrat Mark Warner and Republican Jim Gilmore (to replace the retiring Senator John Warner).

    But I came across this clip this morning and found it startling. I found it startling not for what was said--because I hear Democrats saying things like this every day, just not ones running for office--but because someone was actually able to record it. Democrats--at least ones running for public office--are usually more circumspect about their true feelings like this.

    In this clip, you'll hear Democrat Senate candidate Mark Warner tell a group

    you're going to see a coalition that has just about completely taken over the Republican Party in this state and if they have their way, it's going to take over state government. It's made up of the Christian Coalition, it's made up of the right to lifers, it's made up of the NRA, it's made up of the homeschoolers, it's made up of a whole coalition of people that have all sorts of different views that I think most of us in this room would find threatening to what it means to be an American.


    So Christianity is threatening to what it means to be an American?

    So living out one's faith as if it really mattered is threatening to what it means to be an American?

    So protecting innocent human life is threatening to what it means to be an American?

    So defending the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is threatening to what it means to be an American?

    So parents teaching their children, to preserve their moral center and ensure a quality education, is threatening to what it means to be an American?

    Well, I guess I've been wrong all these years about what it means to be an American

    And apparently the people who founded America were also wrong about what it means to be an American.

    Because the kind of things Mark Warner finds repugnant and threatening to what it means to be an American...these are the kind of values the Founders held to be so deeply important.

    It's interesting to know that people like me and people like the Founders didn't understand that being an American is really about total sexual license, denial of the Creator who gave us our rights, and total subservience to the state.

    I'm glad Mark Warner set us straight on that.

    It is very, very rare indeed to see a Democrat with the courage to tell us what they really believe, and set us straight on "what it means to be an American."



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    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
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    bnkrazy wrote:
    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
    This is not about John warner, this is about MARK Warner.

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    mkl wrote:
    bnkrazy wrote:
    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
    This is not about John warner, this is about MARK Warner.
    The thread title says John. John is a fist class $#itbird. I am glad he is too old and feeble to run for reelection. Mark Warner was young and stupid when he said those things. He is now older, but still stupid.

    Either Mark Warner or GIlmore would be better than John Warner, but the best gun rights and liberty candidate for the senate from VA is....

    REDPATH 08
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Thundar wrote:
    mkl wrote:
    bnkrazy wrote:
    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
    This is not about John warner, this is about MARK Warner.
    The thread title says John. John is a fist class $#itbird. I am glad he is too old and feeble to run for reelection. Mark Warner was young and stupid when he said those things. He is now older, but still stupid.

    Either Mark Warner or GIlmore would be better than John Warner, but the best gun rights and liberty candidate for the senate from VA is....

    REDPATH 08
    Thundar, I just got the candidate ratings from GOA. They rated redpath a D. Any ideas? as usual, his website sucked...

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    savery wrote:
    Thundar wrote:
    mkl wrote:
    bnkrazy wrote:
    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
    This is not about John warner, this is about MARK Warner.
    The thread title says John. John is a fist class $#itbird. I am glad he is too old and feeble to run for reelection. Mark Warner was young and stupid when he said those things. He is now older, but still stupid.

    Either Mark Warner or GIlmore would be better than John Warner, but the best gun rights and liberty candidate for the senate from VA is....

    REDPATH 08
    Thundar, I just got the candidate ratings from GOA. They rated redpath a D. Any ideas? as usual, his website sucked...
    I have been waiting for GOAs rating. I have no idea how a libertarian, who fully supports the lNational Lbertarian 2A plank could get a D??? Let me investigate, maybe I'll eat crow, but damn it, if Redpath is a closet gun grabber and I trusted him, I might turn into a zombie and have to roam the earth in search of brains like LEO 229!!
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Thundar wrote:
    savery wrote:
    Thundar wrote:
    mkl wrote:
    bnkrazy wrote:
    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
    This is not about John warner, this is about MARK Warner.
    The thread title says John.Â* John is a fist class $#itbird.Â* I am glad he is too old and feeble to run for reelection.Â* Mark Warner was young and stupid when he said those things.Â* He is now older, but still stupid.

    Either Mark Warner or GIlmore would be better than John Warner, but the best gun rights and liberty candidate for the senate from VA is....

    REDPATH 08
    Thundar,Â* I just got the candidate ratings from GOA.Â* They rated redpath a D.Â* Any ideas?Â* as usual, his website sucked...
    I have been waiting for GOAs rating.Â* I have no idea how a libertarian, who fully supports the lNational Lbertarian 2A plank could get a D???Â* Let me investigate, maybe I'll eat crow, but damn it, if Redpath is a closet gun grabber and I trusted him, I might turn into a zombie and have to roam the earth in search of brains like LEO 229!!
    From a survey from the "Pink Pistols" All of his answers seem pretty pro-gun, the only thing that could be seen as remotely "anti" is the following answer, but I am not sure what laws he is talking about adding.



    Question:
    If elected would you support legislation for the removal of firearm laws and regulations? If your answer is yes, and if you are elected, what specific legislation would you propose/support to ensure that this individual right is protected? Which current laws which infringe upon this individual right would you seek to repeal?

    Redpath:
    "I favor repealing most gun control laws, although I would propose retention and even creation of a few that, according to research by Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck, who has written at least two pro-gun books, have likely reduced crime."



    http://www.pinkpistols.org/answers2001/redpath.html

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    Thundar wrote:
    savery wrote:
    Thundar wrote:
    mkl wrote:
    bnkrazy wrote:
    John Warner is on the way out, but you are correct, he is anti-gun.
    This is not about John warner, this is about MARK Warner.
    The thread title says John. John is a fist class $#itbird. I am glad he is too old and feeble to run for reelection. Mark Warner was young and stupid when he said those things. He is now older, but still stupid.

    Either Mark Warner or GIlmore would be better than John Warner, but the best gun rights and liberty candidate for the senate from VA is....

    REDPATH 08
    Thundar, I just got the candidate ratings from GOA. They rated redpath a D. Any ideas? as usual, his website sucked...
    I have been waiting for GOAs rating. I have no idea how a libertarian, who fully supports the lNational Lbertarian 2A plank could get a D??? Let me investigate, maybe I'll eat crow, but damn it, if Redpath is a closet gun grabber and I trusted him, I might turn into a zombie and have to roam the earth in search of brains like LEO 229!!
    Here is the e-mail I just sent to Redpath:

    Mr. Redpath,



    Could you please provide an unambiguous statement about your position on gun rights? Do you fully support article 1.6 of the National Libertarian Platform?

    National Libertarian Platform

    1.6 Self-Defense

    The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the right to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. We oppose all laws at any level of government requiring registration of, or restricting, the ownership, manufacture, or transfer or sale of firearms or ammunition.

    I am very concerned because the Gun Owners of America Guide gives you a grade of “D”. I do not understand and would welcome an explanation.

    Thank You for your time,

    XXX XXXXXXXXX



    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    I apologize to one and all. I meant to say Mark Warner in the title.

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    Mark Warner just admitted in the video he thinks the NRA has a bad influrence on the State. Say what you want about the NRA, but Warner let his true feelings show in the video. Sure, when he is in South Side he is all about gun rights,but when speaking to his liberal friends the truth comes out. Mark Warner also lied about raising taxes. He is a horrible choice for Senator.

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    Doug Huffman wrote: Doug,

    I was looking for a reason for the D--, not what a D-- means. No answer to my e-mail yet.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    rebfan wrote:
    Mark Warner just admitted in the video he thinks the NRA has a bad influrence on the State.
    Well, then, he and I agree on something.

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    So, you would rather have an anti-gun Senator because you and he feel the NRA has a bad influence on the State?

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    Better to know where someone stands than to have a politician speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    Besides, after the way I was treated by the staff at the NRA range in Chantilly, VA a few weeks back, I'm not all that impressed with the NRA either. I hope the staff at that range aren't representative of the NRA in general.



    Besides, I'd be scared of some of those things in the OP as well... many of the backers of those ideas want to force their ideas down everyone's throats regardless of personal desires of the recipients.



    Freedom of Religion also means I get to choose my religion. it doesn't mean someone else gets to choose it for me or use my private property as their pulpit.

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can spout off indiscriminately. It also doesn't mean I have to listen to your speech either.



    You see, there's this thing called Rights & Responsibilities. If you fail toresponsibly use your rights, you tend to lose them.

    Example #1: Use your Right to Freedom of Speech to incite a riot. Your butt *WILL* be arrested.

    Example #2: Use your Right to Keep and Bear Arms to intimidate others (often known as brandishing) and you *WILL* get into trouble.



    I won't begrudge anyone the free exercise of their rights. The key component though is your rights stop where mine start. One must always properly and responsibly exercise their rights. Sometimes, the responsible use is to not use them. Sometimes it is. Choose wisely for the situation and context.


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    rebfan wrote:
    So, you would rather have an anti-gun Senator because you and he feel the NRA has a bad influence on the State?
    Is that what you think I said?

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    So home schoolers along with NRA members are a threat to everything it means to be an American. I am sure the founding fathers would have been fascinated to hear that since I would suspect many of them were schooled at home.


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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    So, you would rather have an anti-gun Senator because you and he feel the NRA has a bad influence on the State?
    Is that what you think I said?
    I'm not sure what you are tying to say, that is why I asked the question. As I stated in my orginal post, say what you want about the NRA, hardly a blind endorsment of them. However, what you see is a liberal who tries to play both sides of the issue regarding guns. IfWarner is elected, he will be in lock step with his party on the gun issue, and suddenly the guy who appeared to be pro gun as Governor will be gone. BTW,did he passbills that were pro gun because he supported them or because he realized the GA would overturn his vetos?



    If he thinks the NRA is bad for the State, how do you think he feels about VCDL and OC.org?

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    I think I'm not interested in voting for one guy because I'm scared of the other guy. I was scared of Al Gore, and for my troubles I got endless war, a police state, and a ruined economy. Oops!

    I won't argue with you about Warner's shortcomings. You have a point. But I'm not as worried about it as I used to be.

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    Fair enough. Though, if Obama gets elected, I think we will see a real police state.

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    rebfan wrote:
    Fair enough. Though, if Obama gets elected, I think we will see a real police state.

    See, now that's the kind of stuff that blows my mind. In the last 8 years we have seen the rise of Homeland Security, an assault on posse comitatus and the right of habeus corpus, and domestic spying.

    Yet you are afraid of what Obama might do.

    All I can say is, whatever Obama does, he can thank the Republicans for giving him all the tools he needs to do it. And he can thank all of us who voted for them, too.

    The people in a democracy get the government they deserve, good and hard.


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    I don't necessarily agree with all that you wrote, but I will point out that it was a bi-partisan effort.

    Just as a candidate for President, Obama has asked the Justice Department(http://beltwayblips.com/story/obama_..._terrorist_ad/) to go after a 527 based on an ad they did that Obama disagreed with.

    Obama has twice gone after Chicago radio station WGN( http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...r.html)because he did not agree with the fact they were running programs that were critical of him. He asked his supporters to call the radio station and demand they not run the programs. Recall, the Dems are pushing and will, if they increase their margin in the Senate, for the "fairness" doctorine that will force radio stations to carry points of views from both sides. Notice, that it does not cover newspapers or tv station, since the Dems already have control of most of those. However, talk radio is dominated by the right, and the Dems can't stand that.

    What do you think Obama might do to shut us up if he is elected President?

    We already know the threat the Dems are to our gun rights.

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    rebfan wrote:
    What do you think Obama might do to shut us up if he is elected President?
    Again, and I can't stress this enough: whatever Obama does he will find easier to do thanks to all the new powers Bush, Republicans, and theirsupporters have given him.

    Bipartisan effort? Sure was. Making my point that the Republicrats are all one big party, with two wings.

    Which is why I will not respond to the fear mongering. Remember how McCain was the guy they invented the word "RINO" for, it was "4 legs good, 2 legs bad", now it's "4 legs good, 2 legs better".

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    You don't want me to fear what Obama may do, but if he does it, you would want us to believe it was due to the last eight years? Obama already has, as I have pointed out, notions on how heviews the 1st and second Amendments. I hardly think the last eight years have had any impact on those views.

    I agree McCain better wake up and realize he needs to stop kissing up to the left. But, I would rather have him in the WH than Obama.



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