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    The National Rifle Association is endorsing Republican presidential nominee John McCain despite differences with the Arizona senator on gun-show rules and campaign finance restrictions.

    NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and the chairman of the NRA's political action committee planned stops Thursday in Pennsylvania, Missouri, Colorado and Nevada to talk about the move.

    LaPierre said the two agree on many issues important to the group.

    "He's cast more than 60 votes in the Senate in support of the Second Amendment," LaPierre said.

    The NRA's Political Victory Fund has spent more than $2.3 million opposing Democratic nominee Barack Obama. The chairman of the political action committee, Chris W. Cox, says its spending in the presidential race will grow to "eight figures" by Election Day. Besides ads, encouraging battleground-state gun owners to vote will be a key focus, he said.

    The PAC was running an ad Thursday in USA Today accusing Obama of waffling on gun-rights issues and challenging his statements that he supports the right to bear arms. Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment but doesn't think it precludes "some commonsense gun laws so that we don't have kids being shot on the streets of cities like Chicago."

    The NRA PAC's future spending will target Obama on gun issues and start publicizing the records of McCain and his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, LaPierre said. McCain's selection of Palin was a plus, LaPierre said.

    "She's a hunter, she's a Second Amendment supporter and she's a tremendous asset to the ticket," he said.

    Palin, an NRA member, received an A-plus rating from the group when she ran for governor in 2006. That compares to an NRA grade in the average range for McCain in his last Senate race. McCain isn't an NRA member.

    Palin has been an NRA booster, particularly for its education and safety programs, during her career in government. As mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, she used $750 from her city campaign fund to upgrade her NRA membership.

    The NRA doesn't always endorse presidential candidates. It has backed President Bush but declined to endorse Bob Dole in the 1996 race or President George H.W. Bush in 1992.

    Obama has been endorsed by the American Hunters and Shooters Association, which calls itself a "mainstream group of hunters" that supports safe and responsible gun ownership.

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    Let me get this straight...

    Theyendorsed McCain, Republican Candidate with a C+ rating with the NRA, anenemy of gun rights activists whoblew off the NRA's importance in an interview last year over Bob Barr, Libertarian Candidate for President who has an A+ rating with the NRA and has been long time NRA board member.

    They may of well juststuck a knife in Bob Barr's back. What a discrace. I hope Barr resigns. I wish I had a membership to the NRA just so I can tell them whereto stick it.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    I'm soooooooo glad the NRA (negotiate rights away) has given McMadman their blessing. Now, finally, maybe, some of the sheeple will awaken.
    I actually have no idea whether you think the NRA supporting McCain is a good thing or not.

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    It has been said that the NRA has become nothing more than 'controlled opposition'.

    Why can't they get it right? Why couldn't they have had someguts and gotten behind Ron Paul when it mattered?

    Or Bob Barr?

    I think an organization with as much clout, membership, and money shouldn't be as weak and compromising on the 2d Amendment as the NRA is. They could be so much better...

    Voting for the 'lesser of two evils'? Not for me anymore, thank you. I did that last election. With all the election fraud going on, I might as well vote for someone I like and trust (like Ron Paul) since my vote's probably going to be stolen anyway. Texas uses electronic voting machines with no paper trail.


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    To the sheeple and the MSM and the politicians the NRA is the voice of gun owners in the United States. If we can't ban together and vote Obama down our vote and our rights will no longer be respected.

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    The NRA is nothing so is McCain / Mad Dog...

    Their campaign is going down in flames anyway not even the NRA can save them...

    Yep, the ruling on TrooperGate came out just a few minutes ago and the Govenor was found that she did indeed misuse her office...

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...obe_finds.html


    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...vote42844824=1

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    Should be interesting to see which trolls disappear from the forum after the election.

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    My brother from a different mother I was thinking the same thing.

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    Change the NRA to the NLOTEA

    NLOTEA=National Lesser of Two Evils Association

    To bash Obama for his bona-fide gun grabbing pedigree is appropriate.

    To support a part time gun grabber because he isn't the full time gun grabber, when a true RKBA candidate is on the ballot in all 50 states, is the work of a truly Machiavellian entity.

    I really try to keep the profanity to a minimum in this respectable forum butI gotta say...









    NRA YOU SUCK


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    I know there's strong feelings on this issue...every election. This country can weather a McCain presidency. I don't think we will be recognized after an Obama presidency. Fear? You bet. If nothing else, judicial appointments should be higher on our list of important items in deciding - not just the supremes, but look for one or twoSCOTUS Justicesin the next four years.

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    Gene Beasley wrote:
    I know there's strong feelings on this issue...every election. This country can weather a McCain presidency. I don't think we will be recognized after an Obama presidency. Fear? You bet. If nothing else, judicial appointments should be higher on our list of important items in deciding - not just the supremes, but look for one or twoSCOTUS Justicesin the next four years.
    Fear? From who, Obama? Sh$t, you got Sarah (I lie 4Jeasus) Palin and McCain who is a coward and you want those two idiots in the White House. After Bush and the right wing failed policies of the republican party has brought the world economy to a grinding halt. Eight years and nothing to show for it but failure. What you going to do now? Continue the rhetoric?

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    Should be interesting to see which trolls disappear from the forum after the election.
    Will you be the one?

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    I the Person wrote:
    It has been said that the NRA has become nothing more than 'controlled opposition'.

    Why can't they get it right? Why couldn't they have had someguts and gotten behind Ron Paul when it mattered?

    Or Bob Barr?

    I think an organization with as much clout, membership, and money shouldn't be as weak and compromising on the 2d Amendment as the NRA is. They could be so much better...

    Voting for the 'lesser of two evils'? Not for me anymore, thank you. I did that last election. With all the election fraud going on, I might as well vote for someone I like and trust (like Ron Paul) since my vote's probably going to be stolen anyway. Texas uses electronic voting machines with no paper trail.
    I'm also glad I didn't spend money on an NRA membership to see this happen. McAmnesty is not the right person to be endorsing because of his RINO ways, and to see money pissed away on this is disheartening.

    NRA is nothing more than The Brady Campaign in Reverse, just taking what they can get and all too happy to spend your membership fees to pay the exhorbitant salaries of the execs.

    Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

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    longwatch wrote:
    My brother from a different mother I was thinking the same thing.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_So...ferent_Mothers

    I thought that I was the only one that remembered that one.

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    I am going to ask for my money back from the NRA. I have a life membership but I wish to cancel it. The NRA is a waste.

    http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm



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    Principles for sale- cheap!

    http://armedandsafe.blogspot.com/200...ale-cheap.html
    We're being told that we need to forget about all that, and realize that an Obama presidency would be such a catastrophe for gun rights as to trump all the above objections to endorsing McCain.

    My answer to that is that Obama is not getting my guns while I live--and McCain isn't getting my principles--at any price.

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    Dukester wrote:
    Fear? From who, Obama? Sh$t, you got Sarah (I lie 4Jeasus) Palin and McCain who is a coward and you want those two idiots in the White House. After Bush and the right wing failed policies of the republican party has brought the world economy to a grinding halt. Eight years and nothing to show for it but failure. What you going to do now? Continue the rhetoric?
    Dukester,

    You are such a blue neck.

    I really don't have a dog in the fight as I will vote Libertarian.

    The complete lack of heuristic logic in your post is amazing. George Bush may be a Republican, but his economic policy certainly has not been "right wing." It really has been the classic spend, spend, spend left wing economic policy.

    To blame world economic failure on the Republican Party is silly. The Democrat party certainlyis as much to blame in our tenuous situation as the Republican Party.

    Yourhate filled attacks really are quite inappropriate and offensive. John McCain is a part time gun grabber but I really think your ignorance shows when you call him a coward. His well documented performance in a place called the Hanoi Hilton proves your lie.

    Intelligence is difficult to measure, but Obama is the one that has shown again and again that he cannot think on his feet.

    Your vile anti-Christian comment shows a backward, ignorant and intolerant side which I think you will find is not welcome in this forum.

    In short your intolerant, illogical and ignorant rant will probably not change any undecided minds here and, I imagine, make supporters of Obama who discuss issues with logic and reason cringe.

    BARR 08
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    I agree. Your "heuristic logic" mention led to an entertaining search of the 'net. I had never heard of Espresso or Minilog though I have done minimization by hand.

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    Dukester wrote:
    Fear? From who, Obama? Sh$t, you got Sarah (I lie 4Jeasus) Palin and McCain who is a coward and you want those two idiots in the White House. After Bush and the right wing failed policies of the republican party has brought the world economy to a grinding halt. Eight years and nothing to show for it but failure. What you going to do now? Continue the rhetoric?
    Dukester,

    You are such a blue neck.

    I really don't have a dog in the fight as I will vote Libertarian.

    The complete lack of heuristic logic in your post is amazing. George Bush may be a Republican, but his economic policy certainly has not been "right wing." It really has been the classic spend, spend, spend left wing economic policy.

    To blame world economic failure on the Republican Party is silly. The Democrat party certainlyis as much to blame in our tenuous situation as the Republican Party.

    Yourhate filled attacks really are quite inappropriate and offensive. John McCain is a part time gun grabber but I really think your ignorance shows when you call him a coward. His well documented performance in a place called the Hanoi Hilton proves your lie.

    Intelligence is difficult to measure, but Obama is the one that has shown again and again that he cannot think on his feet.

    Your vile anti-Christian comment shows a backward, ignorant and intolerant side which I think you will find is not welcome in this forum.

    In short your intolerant, illogical and ignorant rant will probably not change any undecided minds here and, I imagine, make supporters of Obama who discuss issues with logic and reason cringe.

    BARR 08
    So this is what it takes to make you hillbillies come to yourr senses....the brink of dis*aster or another Great Depression.

    We do have to thank GWB for one thing. He has driven the re p u gn ant party into political oblivion for a generation. Heckuva job Georgie.


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    Dukester wrote:
    Thundar wrote:
    Dukester wrote:
    Fear? From who, Obama? Sh$t, you got Sarah (I lie 4Jeasus) Palin and McCain who is a coward and you want those two idiots in the White House. After Bush and the right wing failed policies of the republican party has brought the world economy to a grinding halt. Eight years and nothing to show for it but failure. What you going to do now? Continue the rhetoric?
    Dukester,

    You are such a blue neck.

    I really don't have a dog in the fight as I will vote Libertarian.

    The complete lack of heuristic logic in your post is amazing. George Bush may be a Republican, but his economic policy certainly has not been "right wing." It really has been the classic spend, spend, spend left wing economic policy.

    To blame world economic failure on the Republican Party is silly. The Democrat party certainlyis as much to blame in our tenuous situation as the Republican Party.

    Yourhate filled attacks really are quite inappropriate and offensive. John McCain is a part time gun grabber but I really think your ignorance shows when you call him a coward. His well documented performance in a place called the Hanoi Hilton proves your lie.

    Intelligence is difficult to measure, but Obama is the one that has shown again and again that he cannot think on his feet.

    Your vile anti-Christian comment shows a backward, ignorant and intolerant side which I think you will find is not welcome in this forum.

    In short your intolerant, illogical and ignorant rant will probably not change any undecided minds here and, I imagine, make supporters of Obama who discuss issues with logic and reason cringe.

    BARR 08
    So this is what it takes to make you hillbillies come to yourr senses....the brink of dis*aster or another Great Depression.

    We do have to thank GWB for one thing. He has driven the re p u gn ant party into political oblivion for a generation. Heckuva job Georgie.
    Dukester, you're just a political hack and to listen to you is along the lines of reading the daily kos. You are the type who would blame everything on republicans regardless of who is really at fault because you are just a leftist idealogue who doesn't let little silly things like the truth get in the way of your opinion.

    Economic disaster? For the past 2 years...plenty of time to divert such a disaster the democrats have maintained a majority in Congress. Years before that it was a democratic push (along with some republican support) that made it paramount to give unqualified people houses they couldn't afford. And if you were against that measure than the democrats called you a rascist.

    Barney Frank, a Democrat representative from Massachusetts was the architect of this entire disaster and now we come to find out that he was bangin one of the higher ups at Fannie Mae.

    So while I say there is blame to go around, your asinine assertion that its all republicans fault and Obama is some messiah like figure with his democrats as his disciples are going to walk on water and save everything (when in fact they will most likely make the situation worse) only goes to show your bigotry, ignorance, and one sided delusions. Some call you a troll...I call you a political hack with nothin better to do than reguritate what you read on the daily kos, msnbc and whatever you heard at your Obama indoctrination meeting.

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    Stop feeding the troll. Another month or so 'till the election, thenhe'll get bored and go away.

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    Don't damage yourself too much in patting your own back for discovering that the American demos (the Greek word, not democrap) reacts politically only to crises. The hillbilly Libertarian Neal Boortz and his DC correspondent discussed the fact at length just last week.




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    Getting back on topic...

    I think it sad that the world only knows of two candidates (The Authoritarian and the Senile One), and never even gives mention to the others (Bob Barr).

    Look at these presidential debates: There's only two candidates at them. Where's the Libertarian party? Or the Green, Socialist, Communist, or even the Nazi party. But I suppose that is for another topic.

    The idea that the NRA is endorsing a candidate that doesn't even support gun rights in the first place (Oh, he does now that he's running in '08 but has never up until that point) is kind of like a Sheep voting for a Wolf.

    Why didn't they support Bob Barr? We all know Bob Barr will never win, but even so, should all the McCain supporters vote for Obama because McCain isn't going to win? That makes no sense.

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    Prophet wrote:
    Dukester wrote:
    Thundar wrote:
    Dukester wrote:
    Fear? From who, Obama? Sh$t, you got Sarah (I lie 4Jeasus) Palin and McCain who is a coward and you want those two idiots in the White House. After Bush and the right wing failed policies of the republican party has brought the world economy to a grinding halt. Eight years and nothing to show for it but failure. What you going to do now? Continue the rhetoric?
    Dukester,

    You are such a blue neck.

    I really don't have a dog in the fight as I will vote Libertarian.

    The complete lack of heuristic logic in your post is amazing. George Bush may be a Republican, but his economic policy certainly has not been "right wing." It really has been the classic spend, spend, spend left wing economic policy.

    To blame world economic failure on the Republican Party is silly. The Democrat party certainlyis as much to blame in our tenuous situation as the Republican Party.

    Yourhate filled attacks really are quite inappropriate and offensive. John McCain is a part time gun grabber but I really think your ignorance shows when you call him a coward. His well documented performance in a place called the Hanoi Hilton proves your lie.

    Intelligence is difficult to measure, but Obama is the one that has shown again and again that he cannot think on his feet.

    Your vile anti-Christian comment shows a backward, ignorant and intolerant side which I think you will find is not welcome in this forum.

    In short your intolerant, illogical and ignorant rant will probably not change any undecided minds here and, I imagine, make supporters of Obama who discuss issues with logic and reason cringe.

    BARR 08
    So this is what it takes to make you hillbillies come to yourr senses....the brink of dis*aster or another Great Depression.

    We do have to thank GWB for one thing. He has driven the re p u gn ant party into political oblivion for a generation. Heckuva job Georgie.
    Dukester, you're just a political hack and to listen to you is along the lines of reading the daily kos. You are the type who would blame everything on republicans regardless of who is really at fault because you are just a leftist idealogue who doesn't let little silly things like the truth get in the way of your opinion.

    Economic disaster? For the past 2 years...plenty of time to divert such a disaster the democrats have maintained a majority in Congress. Years before that it was a democratic push (along with some republican support) that made it paramount to give unqualified people houses they couldn't afford. And if you were against that measure than the democrats called you a rascist.

    Barney Frank, a Democrat representative from Massachusetts was the architect of this entire disaster and now we come to find out that he was bangin one of the higher ups at Fannie Mae.

    So while I say there is blame to go around, your asinine assertion that its all republicans fault and Obama is some messiah like figure with his democrats as his disciples are going to walk on water and save everything (when in fact they will most likely make the situation worse) only goes to show your bigotry, ignorance, and one sided delusions. Some call you a troll...I call you a political hack with nothin better to do than reguritate what you read on the daily kos, msnbc and whatever you heard at your Obama indoctrination meeting.
    Why? This Financial Mess happened under the Bush Regime period. The republicans have had control of congress for 6 of the last 8 years and the democrats never ever had a true veto proof majority during that time. Hank Paulson Treasurer Secretary and Phil Graham, remember Graham saying that Americans are a bunch of whiners. Cannot forget Grahams connection with the Enron Debacle, you remember that don't ya? You betcha you do. Paulson, the Treasurer Secretary didn't even see this coming, Graham is one of the big contributors to Deregulation a long with Reagan, McCain and Bush. I call you an idiot with your head in the sand. Republicans do not and I repeat do not know how to Govern. The 1929 Crash that created the great depression was you guess it under a Republican Regime under the leadership of Herbert Hoover. It took FDR to clean up the mess. Sound kind of familiar don't it. Bush puts the economy in the tank and it will take a Democratic President to clean up the mess!

    There you go, watching too much of FAUX News.


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    First let me preface this by saying Howdy to all Y'all. As one of the newer members I'm proud to see there's plenty of like minded people out there as dedicated to the protection of individual self determination as I am. I am a Retired Sergeant Major US Army. Served almost 25 years. My Fire wall would not let me post here til I figured out how to lower my setting for cookies LOL. But I've been reading the commentary for a month or better.
    Now,,my turn to add to the discourse. If I offend anyone,,so be it, but in truth, I will attempt not to,,somewhat HA!
    Dukester,,what are you even doing here, besides spreading hate and discontent? Your spouting of the DEM litany truly is distasteful. Aside from the fact that without your dribble things might get boring, you're mindless Oooo Baaa Maaa sounds like the zombies from Night of the Living Dead.
    Obama has voted for every gun control policy that has come down the pike.
    And I'm not really that fond of McCains policies,,but he's one of the last real American Heroes. Any man that can spend 5.5 years in a Prison camp has my respect
    Besides he'll have "Sarah" to keep him straight on Gun Rights.
    I've been a member of the NRA since 75. Sorry folks,,but if not for them, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion because no-one would have any guns, just my read on it. Have seen too many times that they were the only voice in the wilderness.
    AS for me,,to Quote Mr. Obama,,I'll cling to my guns and religion,,as for those of you who intend to vote third party,,sorry but you're wasting your vote,,you wanna lose your guns,,vote third party and let Obama win this election,,then start digging and burying,,cuz he's coming for your guns,,just me sayin it:shock:
    ‘‘Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.’’ Thomas Jefferson

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