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    Breaking news from VCDL - Thanks Philip for the Va-Alert clipped here:
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    Liberty University is a private university that is living up to its
    name! At its next Board meeting in March, Liberty is considering a
    change in university policy that would allow concealed handgun permit
    holders to be able to carry on campus!!

    Benjamin Neiman, a student at Liberty University, notified me of this
    proposed policy change.

    I have not seen the proposed change, but I believe that it would cover
    students, faculty, and staff!

    Benjamin said that a chapter of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus
    (SCCC) formed during the summer at Liberty, and now has over 200
    members!

    ACTION ITEM - time to put up or shut up!

    ***It is EXTREMELY important that gun owners, ESPECIALLY STUDENTS,
    show their support for this initiative by Jerry Falwell, Jr., the
    University Chancellor.***

    How can you help:

    a. Send in letters to the editor to the Liberty Champion, the
    University paper, in support:

    Liberty Champion - University Newspaper Letter to the Editor email
    address is:

    liberty.opinion@gmail.com

    Jennifer Schmidt is Editor in Chief and you can direct other
    correspondence to her:

    jschmidt@liberty.edu.

    Benjamin has spoken with Jennifer and she seemed very shocked to hear
    that the Chancellor was in support of this measure, so we may expect
    some skepticism from the paper.

    b. Send in letters to the editor to the Lynchburg News and Advance in
    support:

    http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/onlin...tion/contacts/

    c. For those of you on Facebook, the Liberty SCCC Facebook group has
    over 250 members and could use some more:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8756633415

    Yata hey

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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    This is the same school that teaches there are no such things as dinosaurs and despite the fact that science has proven the world to be billions of years old, there belief is the world is no older than 6-8 thousand years.
    I guess it all boils down to your interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps they will use the privilege to hold the non believers back. I wish them luck despite our theological differences.

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    If anybody want to read their school paper the address is:

    https://www.liberty.edu/academics/co...ions/champion/

    It is gonna be interesting to see what they will write about this topic and I hope that other schools are gonna follow suit and think about changing their policy to allow concealed carry.

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    kenny wrote:
    This is the same school that teaches there are no such things as dinosaurs and despite the fact that science has proven the world to be billions of years old, there belief is the world is no older than 6-8 thousand years.
    I guess it all boils down to your interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps they will use the privilege to hold the non believers back. I wish them luck despite our theological differences.
    Even if they teach that they world is flat, we (everybody) have the right to defend ourselves. On this we can agree.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    kenny wrote:
    This is the same school that teaches there are no such things as dinosaurs and despite the fact that science has proven the world to be billions of years old, there belief is the world is no older than 6-8 thousand years.
    I guess it all boils down to your interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps they will use the privilege to hold the non believers back. I wish them luck despite our theological differences.
    Even if they teach that they world is flat, we (everybody) have the right to defend ourselves. On this we can agree.

    Yata hey
    +1 Looks like I am just going to spend the day following you around and agreeing with you, Grapeshot.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    kenny wrote:
    This is the same school that teaches there are no such things as dinosaurs and despite the fact that science has proven the world to be billions of years old, there belief is the world is no older than 6-8 thousand years.
    I guess it all boils down to your interpretation of the Bible. Perhaps they will use the privilege to hold the non believers back. I wish them luck despite our theological differences.
    Many schools teach that the earth was always a constant temperature up until automobiles came along.

    Pick your poison. Support the 2A fight.

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    Poll: "Do you think concealed weapon permit holders should be allowed to carry guns on Liberty University's campus?"

    http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/...n_campus/9251/

    Vote!

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    mpg9999 wrote:
    Poll: "Do you think concealed weapon permit holders should be allowed to carry guns on Liberty University's campus?"

    http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/...n_campus/9251/

    Vote!
    Good find

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    kenny wrote:
    This is the same school that teaches there are no such things as dinosaurs and despite the fact that science has proven the world to be billions of years old, there belief is the world is no older than 6-8 thousand years.
    Sorry to be off-topic, but I can't let these assertions slide, because they're simply false. Liberty University does not deny the existence of dinosaurs, nor do they hold to Ussher's chronology. Please don't spread misinformation born of ignorance.

    Anyway, I'm glad to see they're reconsidering their rule prohibiting firearms; it never made much sense to me when I was a student there.

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    It's always nice to find an area where we might be in agreement instead of the many areas we disagree. If Liberty University is willing to consider it, and that's more than they do on a lot of issues, I'd like to do what I can to help.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

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    deepdiver wrote:
    +1 Looks like I am just going to spend the day following you around and agreeing with you, Grapeshot.
    I have a time zone (or warp) advantage.

    You take point for a while - gonna go open a can of 'rats.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Tosta Dojen wrote:
    kenny wrote:
    This is the same school that teaches there are no such things as dinosaurs and despite the fact that science has proven the world to be billions of years old, there belief is the world is no older than 6-8 thousand years.
    Sorry to be off-topic, but I can't let these assertions slide, because they're simply false. Liberty University does not deny the existence of dinosaurs, nor do they hold to Ussher's chronology. Please don't spread misinformation born of ignorance.

    Anyway, I'm glad to see they're reconsidering their rule prohibiting firearms; it never made much sense to me when I was a student there.
    As long as they are not more than 8,000 years old. They are not assertions they are the fact. In fact they are teaching it to children as youg as ten years old.

    Don't confuse some ramblings from an Irish Bishop with the late Jerry Sr mission. Remember what he said about 9-11, it was all the fault of the lib, gays and jews. His words not mine.

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    No matter, this isn't about who's theology is correct. This is about our 2A right.

    I attend Liberty and am actively pushing the issue here on campus. It would be great if you guys could write in to the contacts listed.
    Our Facebook group has doubled its members in a few days and we really could use the outside support. The board needs reason to believe concealed carry is a good idea on campus when they discuss it this March.

    Edit: Wording.

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    mpg9999 wrote:
    Poll: "Do you think concealed weapon permit holders should be allowed to carry guns on Liberty University's campus?"

    http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/news/...n_campus/9251/

    Vote!
    Result from the poll.

    Yes 78% (151 votes)

    No 22% (42 votes)

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    isaiah wrote:
    No matter, this isn't about who's theology is correct. This is about our 2A right.

    I attend Liberty and am actively pushing the issue here on campus. It would be great if you guys could write in to the contacts listed.
    Our Facebook group has doubled its members in a few days and we really could use the outside support. The board needs reason to believe concealed carry is a good idea on campus when they discuss it this March.

    Edit: Wording.
    +1 let's not be dysfunctional about the issue.

    Thanks Isaiah for your active participation.

    At this point, I would say that Liberty is considerably ahead of the curve - hope that it becomes reality. If the decision reached in March is not based on emotion but facts and truth, it will be a very sure, positive conclusion.

    Suggest that you read/down load Gun Facts version 5.0
    http://www.gunfacts.info/

    I feel sure that, if permitted, someone like Philip of VCDL will speak before the deciding body.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    VCDL mini Va-Alert

    Hit he poll !

    Here is an article on Liberty University considering concealed carry
    on campus.

    If you click on the link, you can VOTE ON THE SURVEY and you can also
    enter a comment:

    http://tinyurl.com/3p4p75

    Liberty University to consider concealed weapons on campus
    By Christa Desrets
    Published: October 9, 2008

    Liberty University will consider whether to allow concealed weapon
    permit holders to carry guns on campus at its next board of trustees
    meeting, Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. said Thursday.

    If it adopted the policy change, Liberty would become one nearly a
    dozen colleges nationally to allow concealed weapons on campus,
    according to Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.

    Falwell said he decided to bring the matter before the board for
    discussion after members of Liberty’s chapter of SCCC requested it.

    “We just have a group on campus that’s been promoting that idea, and I
    really don’t have a good feel for whether our community would support
    it or not,” Falwell said. “So I just decided to take it to the board.”

    Currently the university does not allow those with concealed weapons
    permits to carry a gun on campus, he said.

    The board of trustees has 38 members, including Falwell and his
    brother Jonathan. The next meeting is in early March.

    The body may not make a decision on the issue, Falwell said, but will
    at least consider it.

    “I want to make sure that we look at it long and hard before we make a
    decision,” he said.

    “Between now and the board meeting, we’ll have RAs (resident advisers)
    talking to students and see what they think about it.”

    Falwell also has not formed an opinion on the issue, he said.

    Liberty senior Ben Neiman, leader of Liberty’s chapter of SCCC, said
    the group has more than 300 members, mostly students, staff and faculty.

    Nationally, the organization has more than 30,000 members at hundreds
    of schools.

    “These are people who already have their concealed carry permits, and
    you mingle with them in movie theaters and shopping malls around town
    anyways,” Neiman said. “We’re just all about our own safety. We
    realize that campuses are generally safe, but in the off chance that
    we are threatened, we want to be able to defend ourselves.”

    Utah is the only state that does not allow any of its nine public
    universities to restrict people from carrying concealed weapons on
    campus.

    According to the SCCC, Colorado State University and Blue Ridge
    Community College in Weyers Cave, Va., are the only other schools that
    allow concealed carry on campus.

    In Virginia, where one must be at least 21 years old to apply for a
    concealed handgun permit, each college can decide whether to allow
    guns on campus.

    Leading up to the meeting in March, Falwell said board members have
    much to consider, such as how difficult the process is to get a permit
    to carry.

    He also hopes to ask students and faculty for their opinions, and
    learn more about the arguments from both sides of the issue.

    “I understand all the concern about security, and that’s why I’m even
    going to mention it to the board,” Falwell said.

    “If the board thinks that would enhance security, then it might be
    something they would be in favor of.”

    Yata hey

    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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