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    So work brought me into a hospital today, and I noticed a sign out front that stated something to the effect of "By State Law, it is UNLAWFUL to possess any firearm in a hospital. G.S. 14-415.23" Of course, I saw this and thought WTF?! So I went home and googled that general statute:


    § 14‑415.23. Statewide uniformity.


    It is the intent of the General Assembly to prescribe a uniform system for the regulation of legally carrying a concealed handgun. To insure uniformity, no political subdivisions, boards, or agencies of the State nor any county, city, municipality, municipal corporation, town, township, village, nor any department or agency thereof, may enact ordinances, rules, or regulations concerning legally carrying a concealed handgun. A unit of local government may adopt an ordinance to permit the posting of a prohibition against carrying a concealed handgun, in accordance with G.S. 14‑415.11(c), on local government buildings, their appurtenant premises, and parks. (1995, c. 398, s. 1.)
    Where the crap do people get their information? :?

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    DreQo wrote:
    So work brought me into a hospital today, and I noticed a sign out front that stated something to the effect of "By State Law, it is UNLAWFUL to possess any firearm in a hospital. G.S. 14-415.23" Of course, I saw this and thought WTF?! So I went home and googled that general statute:


    § 14‑415.23. Statewide uniformity.


    It is the intent of the General Assembly to prescribe a uniform system for the regulation of legally carrying a concealed handgun. To insure uniformity, no political subdivisions, boards, or agencies of the State nor any county, city, municipality, municipal corporation, town, township, village, nor any department or agency thereof, may enact ordinances, rules, or regulations concerning legally carrying a concealed handgun. A unit of local government may adopt an ordinance to permit the posting of a prohibition against carrying a concealed handgun, in accordance with G.S. 14‑415.11(c), on local government buildings, their appurtenant premises, and parks. (1995, c. 398, s. 1.)
    Where the crap do people get their information? :?
    Always fun to see stff like that. I wonder if that would constitute the "posting" requirement to ban CCW?

    Unless the hospital is government owned?



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    DreQo wrote:
    Where the crap do people get their information? :?
    G00gle.

    Information is but the source of premises to a syllogism lost in primary school and without good premises and a good syllogism one is left with democratic conclusions.

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    They may be citing that law because some hospitals have their own "campus police"similar to universities and that would make them a "governmental entity". I know that Pitt Memorial in Greenville is associated with ECU and prohibits weapons in the buildings.

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    The language in the law to watch out for, if I remember correctly, is that carry in a hospital is prohibited if it is a teaching hospital. Most are.

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    p85 wrote:
    The language in the law to watch out for, if I remember correctly, is that carry in a hospital is prohibited if it is a teaching hospital. Most are.
    This is my understanding also. They consider it an educational facility. And we all know we can't carry on educational property.

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    If it's a county owned or managed hospital, it could be considered a "local government building."

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    yeah that has always been my understanding that hospitals were government owned buildings and there fore prohibited.

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    southernbnb wrote:
    yeah that has always been my understanding that hospitals were government owned buildings and there fore prohibited.
    Remind me which law bans firearms from ANY government building...

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    § 14‑269.4. Weapons on State property and in courthouses.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to possess, or carry, whether openly or concealed, any deadly weapon, not used solely for instructional or officially sanctioned ceremonial purposes in the State Capitol Building, the Executive Mansion, the Western Residence of the Governor, or on the grounds of any of these buildings, and in any building housing any court of the General Court of Justice. If a court is housed in a building containing nonpublic uses in addition to the court, then this prohibition shall apply only to that portion of the building used for court purposes while the building is being used for court purposes.

    From NC General Statures

    Doesn't seem to specify much else for state gov. property.

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    Well that law only makes it illegal to carry in very specific places:


    State Capitol Building, the Executive Mansion, the Western Residence of the Governor, or on the grounds of any of these buildings, and in any building housing any court of the General Court of Justice.


    It even goes on to narrow down the ban, by saying that if the building is multi-purpose, then only the area that has a court in it is off limits, and only while being used for court purposes.

    Since there is no blanket statement in this law, it seems that it doesn't apply to any other State or city government building, besides the ones listed. This is contrary to what most people think.


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    I agree with you, I thought that there were more gov. off limits. Feds may have a few to add such as post office etc.

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    p85 wrote:
    I agree with you, I thought that there were more gov. off limits. Feds may have a few to add such as post office etc.
    But that's federal property you're getting into. The fact is, most State property is not off limits according to that law.

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    The reason most people think carrying in a state-owned bulding,. or state ofices is from the Concealed Carry Permit section:
    § 14‑415.11. Permit to carry concealed handgun; scope of permit.

    (c) A permit does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun in. . .in a building housing only State or federal offices, in an office of the State or federal government that is not located in a building exclusively occupied by the State or federal government, a financial institution, or on any other premises, except state‑owned rest areas or state‑owned rest stops along the highways, where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises. It shall be unlawful for a person, with or without a permit, to carry a concealed handgun while consuming alcohol or at any time while the person has remaining in his body any alcohol or in his blood a controlled substance previously consumed, but a person does not violate this condition if a controlled substance in his blood was lawfully obtained and taken in therapeutically appropriate amounts.

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    I agree. My point is that most people probably confuse the issue of federal vs. state property. State doesn't limit much.

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    Ray, you're right. This is another situation where concealed carry isn't authorized by the permit, but open carry is perfectly legal since there's nothing that says you can't.

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    DreQo wrote:
    Ray, you're right. This is another situation where concealed carry isn't authorized by the permit, but open carry is perfectly legal since there's nothing that says you can't.
    But I bet you won't get far before you are told to leave and disarm, or someone calls the cops.

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    RayBurton72 wrote:
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    Ray, you're right. This is another situation where concealed carry isn't authorized by the permit, but open carry is perfectly legal since there's nothing that says you can't.
    But I bet you won't get far before you are told to leave and disarm, or someone calls the cops.
    You're probably right, but we can't let that stop us. People said that about banks, too, but I've successfully open carried into banks multiple times and have never had the cops called on me.

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    I ALWAYS open carry into banks. I've done it in front of police and deputies. Assert yourself and it will be alright, usually.
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    Why is this post even here? Hospitals are STATE GOVERNMENT OWNED.

    Very surpring that several of you do not know that already.

    Who did you fine gentlemen think owns our hospitals?

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    Why is this post even here? Hospitals are STATE GOVERNMENT OWNED.

    Very surpring that several of you do not know that already.

    Who did you fine gentlemen think owns our hospitals?

    I will disagree, they are not all gov owned:

    Novant Health is a not-for-profit, integrated healthcare system in western North Carolina that serves more than 3.5 million people in 34 counties reaching from southern Virginia to northern South Carolina. Novant was formed July 1, 1997 by the merger of Carolina Medicorp of Winston-Salem, North Carolina and Presbyterian Health Services of Charlotte, North Carolina.

    Novant Health owns Presbyterian Hospital,a private, non-profit regional medical center andone of the largest health care institutions in the Carolinas.

    The government does not own this, and I suspect, most other hospitals. The exceptions may be some State Institutions (VA, etc.) those are vastly different then hospitals.

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    BRobb19 wrote:
    Why is this post even here? Hospitals are STATE GOVERNMENT OWNED.

    Very surpring that several of you do not know that already.

    Who did you fine gentlemen think owns our hospitals?
    Umm, private, often not-for profit, Healthcare companies, such as

    Moses Cone Healthcare system which owns about a dozen hospitals in and around Greensboro, NC.

    Wake Forest University BAPTIST Medical Center

    BRobb19: Try to dial down the sarcasm, especially when you don't know what you are talking about - it makes you look like a troll



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    WTF? Where do you think they receive their funding? Millions and millions of dollars are required just to open a small hospital. Do you think they come from donations from John Smith and Mark Jones? Do you think they come from the $5 donations that you and your mom might donate?

    The money comes from GOVERNMENT funding.

    Do your own research, you sound like an idiot.

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    Duke University Hospital-----Private.

    Durham Regional Hospital----Private.

    Duke-Raleigh Hospital-----Private.
    Central Carolina Hospital----Private

    Alamance Regional Medical Center---Private.

    Cape Fear Valley MedicalCenter---Private.

    Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center--Private.


    Also, just because something is government funded does not mean it is government owned.



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    Not all hospitals are government/state/county owned. Our company sales software to hospitals, so we're well aware of who owns each hospital. If you would like to research it for yourself, go to http://www.AHD.com and click on the "Free Hospital Information" link, which will give you an array of information on every hospital in this country, including their "Type of Control" or ownership.

    Now, hospitals are regulated by the state agency called DFS or DHHS, but they're just a regualting agency who ensures the hospital is providing appropriate care to the patients.

    Just because they get funding from the government, such as medicare/medicaid, doesn't mean they are government/state owned. Only a portion of revenue generated by a hospital is paid via Medicare/Medicaid, but that does not constitue ownership by any governement. The majority of hospitals in NC are privately owned hospitals. That's like saying banks that borrow federal money from the government to make loans available are governement owned. Then again, before much longer they probably will be partially owned, at the taxpayers expense. I'll get off of my short soapbox now...

    You probably shouldn't be calling people idiots, before doing your research...


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