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These demented people make me sick.

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lukeshort wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
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blatant disregard for common sense as a weapon against us all.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.


Call me ignorant, but please explain. It sounds profound, but I want to make sure I get the intent.



He doesn't actually understand it, nor does it actually make sense. He just likes catch phrases. The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as "common knowledge" (widely held beliefs that are often wrong). Common sense is something completely different that few around here appear to possess.



lukeshort wrote:
I'm pretty sure socialists and idiots like those in this video will be the death of all our rights, 2nd amend., first. Moronic behavior does not discriminate among rednecks only. I'm sorry you seem to feel that way. Some of the white trash I've seen lately seem to be up on capitol hill, and various other prominent locations.

Darn't if'n i dawn't gets to gettin up thar much, but i do watch this har cable television picture box, an gets some of that thar news ebejecation learnin.

The existence and prominence of idiot rednecks in the gun owner community gives anti's fuel for their backward, ignorant, hillbilly gun owner stereotype. That's all I was referring to.
 

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If you don't eat it, don't kill it. If it messes with your lively hood i.e. dairy cows, crops, or screws with your family, by all means bump it off. But senseless killing for the hell of it is retarded and does show a lack of respect for what the man upstairs gave to us to take care of. Just the way I see it. ...
Just because that's the way "you see it", doesn't mean it's "common sense". There are some species that are considered pests.

Around here, there is a list of animals that may be taken year round. Food source is not the only valid reason for hunting. That's an idea that anti's cooked up (much like the one about using a gun in SD only if the other person is using like force, or people opposing Texans' right to protect personal property), and one that many self righteous people have taken on to make themselves feel like they are more ethical.

Example.

Ground Squirrels and Red Squirrels can be taken year round, yet I wouldn't eat them just because they are more work (to clean) than they are worth. The idea that we should hunt/kill animals only if we are going to eat the meat is pure poppycock that was put out by anti-hunters. There's a much bigger picture. It's more than just "food source, and pest control", it's also about game management (read population control).

I personally think the guys in the vid came off as a couple of hooligans. I can understand getting excited over a difficult shot, but the apparant glee over the killing of an animal for just the sake of killing does come off as a bit bloodthirsty. Combine that with the foul language (always looks and sounds bad), and it's just an all around bad image. I'm against thrill killing as much as anybody, and believe hunters should be respectful. However, saying "if you don't eat it, don't kill it" goes way beyond that. Nowadays, hunting is much more about management, than it is about food source.
 

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ghostrider wrote:
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[suB][suP]If you don't eat it, don't kill it.[/suP][/suB] [suP][suB]If it messes with your lively hood i.e. dairy cows,[/suB][/suP] crops, or screws with your family, by all means bump it off. But senseless killing for the hell of it is retarded and does show a lack of respect for what the man upstairs gave to us to take care of. Just the way I see it. ...
Just because that's the way "you see it", doesn't mean it's "common sense". There are some species that are considered pests.

Around here, there is a list of animals that may be taken year round. Food source is not the only valid reason for hunting. That's an idea that anti's cooked up (much like the one about using a gun in SD only if the other person is using like force, or people opposing Texans' right to protect personal property), and one that many self righteous people have taken on to make themselves feel like they are more ethical.

Example.

Ground Squirrels and Red Squirrels can be taken year round, yet I wouldn't eat them just because they are more work (to clean) than they are worth. The idea that we should hunt/kill animals only if we are going to eat the meat is pure poppycock that was put out by anti-hunters. There's a much bigger picture. It's more than just "food source, and pest control", it's also about game management (read population control).

I personally think the guys in the vid came off as a couple of hooligans. I can understand getting excited over a difficult shot, but the apparant glee over the killing of an animal for just the sake of killing does come off as a bit bloodthirsty. Combine that with the foul language (always looks and sounds bad), and it's just an all around bad image. I'm against thrill killing as much as anybody, and believe hunters should be respectful. However, saying "if you don't eat it, don't kill it" goes way beyond that. Nowadays, hunting is much more about management, than it is about food source.


If you read a little further you can see I allowed room for killingpests in my reply. Andyes, you are right. Just because I see it that way, does not make it common sense. There are allot of people that don't see things my way, but they are usually to far gone for any corrective action that can be taken. There are just certain things I don't agree with.

I'm not sure as to the comment about not shooting it, if your not going to eat it, being put out by anti-hunters. It only seems to make since not to waste possible food. I was raised to believe you try andnever waste a shot, never waste food and never hunt to close to home. I will take my sense of common, over a total disregard for a commodity any day. And this videois the sort of stuff liberal idiots will use to put every gun owner into the same category. It is a misconception, but they don't care as long is ithelps get their agenda pushed forward. I'm against putting any hee haw s@!# on the web for viewing, but thats how Isee it.

And really, I can only think of one species I would consider a pest, but I'd never eat one.
 

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PT111 wrote:
....someone would even suggest jokingly that it is OK to kill Californians....
Well, i see this 'California' comment got way outta control. i, personally, have spent A LOT of time in Ca. Honestly, I couldn't go to certain stores by myself,back in the day, due to the crime rate in some of the inner cities i grew up around. I remember this from my youth, and thats why it gave me a chuckle. not that i support mass-extermination of humans in CA or any other state, obviously.

i see now: I should have given this explanation immediately after my initial 'lol'. Wow.
 

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lukeshort wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote:
lukeshort wrote:
blatant disregard for common sense as a weapon against us all.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
Call me ignorant, but please explain. It sounds profound, but I want to make sure I get the intent.
Common sense is in short supply in today's world, perhaps even non-existent. In its place the conspirators would have you believe that because they agree their sense is common.

Believe nothing that you read or hear without verifying it yourself unless it fits your pre-existing worldview.
 

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AWDstylez wrote:
The existence and prominence of idiot rednecks in the gun owner community gives anti's fuel for their backward, ignorant, hillbilly gun owner stereotype. That's all I was referring to.
you know buster, you are probably one of the most blatantly discriminatory and prejudiced people I have ever met. I don't believe that I have read a single mind numbingly ignorant post from you where you haven't made some type of crude comment about "white trash" "rednecks", "cowboys", "hicks" etc.

If it were someone else making crude remarks about "yankees", or about Connecticut, or about liberal statist pieces of filth like yourself, you would most likely be the first one PMing the administration here asking for that persons banning.

get bent, bigot.
 

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unreconstructed1 wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
The existence and prominence of idiot rednecks in the gun owner community gives anti's fuel for their backward, ignorant, hillbilly gun owner stereotype. That's all I was referring to.
you know buster, you are probably one of the most blatantly discriminatory and prejudiced people I have ever met. I don't believe that I have read a single mind numbingly ignorant post from you where you haven't made some type of crude comment about "white trash" "rednecks", "cowboys", "hicks" etc.

If it were someone else making crude remarks about "yankees", or about Connecticut, or about liberal statist pieces of filth like yourself, you would most likely be the first one PMing the administration here asking for that persons banning.

get bent, bigot.
Remember, this is the same guy who says all military servicemen are "brainwashed" and stupid. He's quite impressed with himself.
 

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Tomahawk wrote:
Remember, this is the same guy who says all military servicemen are "brainwashed" and stupid. He's quite impressed with himself.
yes, he is quite impressed with himself, and I'm quite impressed with the arrogance and ignorance that the "man" displays throughout virtually each and every one of his posts. the man is a troll, and I have no use for him. I wish to God that this forum had an ignore feature. I'd put it to good use.
 

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lukeshort wrote:
If you read a little further you can see I allowed room for killing pests in my reply.
Ah yes. Implication that someone has failed in some area or another (in this case reading and comprehension). Backhanded personal attacks like this are often tools used by those who attempt to take a moral high ground by merely trying to put others down.

You qualified it with "if it messes with your livelihood". That's different than allowing room for killing pests. That's only allowing the killing of pests if you eat them, or if they mess with your livelihood. Hunting is about more than just food source, and pest control. It's also about management.


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And yes, you are right. Just because I see it that way, does not make it common sense. There are allot of people that don't see things my way, but they are usually to far gone for any corrective action that can be taken.
So, anyone who disagrees with you is "to far gone for any corrective action that can be taken"? I believe that is what Mr. Huffman alludes to in his comments. Maybe I should just C&P.

Ah yes. Implication that someone has failed in some area or another (explained above). Backhanded personal attacks like this are often tools used by those who attempt to take a moral high ground by merely trying to put others down.





lukeshort wrote:
I'm not sure as to the comment about not shooting it, if your not going to eat it, being put out by anti-hunters.
I don't doubt your lack of agreement. Such would erode your belief that it only makes sense to eat what you kill, and in turn erode your moral view of oneself, since that is part of what it is based upon.

Of course the "don't eat... don't kill" mentality was put out by anti's. It was designed to disparage trophy hunters. some hunters (just like some gun owners), are all too willing to throw their brethren under that particular bus, in an effort to make themselves appear more ethical. I guess it's easier to do that then to stop using foul language and expletives, or calling anyone who disagrees with us "idiots" (which also work to create a poor image).



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It only seems to make since not to waste possible food. I was raised to believe you try and never waste a shot, never waste food and never hunt to close to home.
I'd say it probably does make sense to not waste food, but that doesn't mean that hunting is only done for food. Maybe that's the way you were raised, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong for not following suite.



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I will take my sense of common, over a total disregard for a commodity any day.
More C&P.

Ah yes. Implication that someone has failed in some area or another (in this case not eating kills is a "total disregard for a commodity", and therefore said killing is wrong). Backhanded personal attacks like this are often tools used by those who attempt to take a moral high ground by merely trying to put others down.





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And this video is the sort of stuff liberal idiots will use to put every gun owner into the same category.
And not just the liberals who are idiots, but also the ones who know better, but will use it as to promote that lie anyway.

Painting every hunter who doesn't eat his kills, in with the same brush as the people in this video, is no different that what said liberal would do.




lukeshort wrote:
And really, I can only think of one species I would consider a pest, but I'd never eat one.
Deer, squirrels, ground squirrels, red squirrels, skunks, raccoons, rabbits, certain snakes and spider, porcupine, and possum are all pests, and those are just some examples, not all inclusive. People kill rats and mice all the time, without eating them. Just because you only see one type of animal as a pest, doesn't make it a reality.

Like I said, I guess it's easier to build oneself up by tearing others down, than to actually just build oneself up. Anti-OC'ers do it all the time.
 

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gimme a break

folks have been shooting little animals for fun since bows/rifles were invented.

how did Davy Crockett get that hat? remember that alamo you assholes
 

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Ihappened to catchone of the Ted Nugent TV shows a while back and they had on there a lady that made crossbows hunting Lions in africa. She had a guide and afew natives to carry stuff along with a cameraman or two. They finally found a Lioness up ina tree that she was able to get close enough to shoot with her crossbow. Now her excitement about shooting a lioness in a tree wasn't near that of the fellows in the video but her excitement overthe kill would turn a lot of people off. I have no idea if she was going to eat it or give it to the locals to eat but her excitment over killing such an animal was definitely a turnoff.

BTW - Ted killed a bear with a crossbow in the same show and his excitement about killing a bear would sure be fuel for the antis. Not being anti-hunting at all just saying that it sure gives a less than favorable view of hunters for those not into it.
 

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ProtectedBy9mm wrote:
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....someone would even suggest jokingly that it is OK to kill Californians....
Well, i see this 'California' comment got way outta control. i, personally, have spent A LOT of time in Ca. Honestly, I couldn't go to certain stores by myself,back in the day, due to the crime rate in some of the inner cities i grew up around. I remember this from my youth, and thats why it gave me a chuckle. not that i support mass-extermination of humans in CA or any other state, obviously.

i see now: I should have given this explanation immediately after my initial 'lol'. Wow.
Itook the Californian comment the same way it was intended but decided to add a little fuel to the fire. :lol: I got thoroughly ripped few days ago for suggesting that I could use pictures of Nancy Pelosi for target practice to help me focus better. Seems that Californians on this board get a little sensitive over some things. :shock::celebrate
 

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Some of you here seem to be a little touchy about what some people say, or your just argumentative. Kind of thin skinned, aren't we for an open forum? I think some of you just like to argue over nothing. But that is just my opinion, and not to be mistaken for the views of anyone other than myself.

There are no backhanded personal attacks, not in my comments anyway. Sorry if you take it that way. Nothing I can do about how people read to far into what I post. It is unintentional however.

As far as the high moral ground I seem to have been taking in my posts? You said it, not me. There are some issues people will not agree with me on, and sometimes it is not worth the argument to persuade them otherwise.No one can say, they have not been there before. That is what I mean by one comment Ghostrider, took issue with. I only try and discuss issues not convert or belittle others. That is no ones station in life. I don't always agree with opinions of others, but sometimes the ideology behind it does fit certain circumstances.

Of course some pests need to be dealt with and killing them is necessary. But who in their right mind would take pleasure in it. A little sadist perhaps? Kill all the coons, muskrats, bobcats, foxes and coyotes you want. I personally take no pleasure in just killing these animals for no apparent reason other than target practice. It goes against my conscience. I'm not saying I have not done it, but I was younger and more immature (not a personal attack)at the time. Now day's there just better to watch and study. Thats hard to do when I kill them.
 

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unreconstructed1 wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:
The existence and prominence of idiot rednecks in the gun owner community gives anti's fuel for their backward, ignorant, hillbilly gun owner stereotype. That's all I was referring to.
you know buster, you are probably one of the most blatantly discriminatory and prejudiced people I have ever met. I don't believe that I have read a single mind numbingly ignorant post from you where you haven't made some type of crude comment about "white trash" "rednecks", "cowboys", "hicks" etc.

If it were someone else making crude remarks about "yankees", or about Connecticut, or about liberal statist pieces of filth like yourself, you would most likely be the first one PMing the administration here asking for that persons banning.

get bent, bigot.
Go easy on him, friend. He's a snot-nosed young know-it-all who really shouldn't be playing with the big kids. When h has to eat outta his own refrigerator instead of Mommy and Daddy's and has to make his own bed he'll be changing his tune.
 

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ghostrider wrote:
lukeshort wrote:
If you read a little further you can see I allowed room for killing pests in my reply.
Ah yes. Implication that someone has failed in some area or another (in this case reading and comprehension). Backhanded personal attacks like this are often tools used by those who attempt to take a moral high ground by merely trying to put others down.

You qualified it with "if it messes with your livelihood". That's different than allowing room for killing pests. That's only allowing the killing of pests if you eat them, or if they mess with your livelihood. Hunting is about more than just food source, and pest control. It's also about management.


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And yes, you are right. Just because I see it that way, does not make it common sense. There are allot of people that don't see things my way, but they are usually to far gone for any corrective action that can be taken.
So, anyone who disagrees with you is "to far gone for any corrective action that can be taken"? I believe that is what Mr. Huffman alludes to in his comments. Maybe I should just C&P.

Ah yes. Implication that someone has failed in some area or another (explained above). Backhanded personal attacks like this are often tools used by those who attempt to take a moral high ground by merely trying to put others down.





lukeshort wrote:
I'm not sure as to the comment about not shooting it, if your not going to eat it, being put out by anti-hunters.
I don't doubt your lack of agreement. Such would erode your belief that it only makes sense to eat what you kill, and in turn erode your moral view of oneself, since that is part of what it is based upon.

Of course the "don't eat... don't kill" mentality was put out by anti's. It was designed to disparage trophy hunters. some hunters (just like some gun owners), are all too willing to throw their brethren under that particular bus, in an effort to make themselves appear more ethical. I guess it's easier to do that then to stop using foul language and expletives, or calling anyone who disagrees with us "idiots" (which also work to create a poor image).



lukeshort wrote:
It only seems to make since not to waste possible food. I was raised to believe you try and never waste a shot, never waste food and never hunt to close to home.
I'd say it probably does make sense to not waste food, but that doesn't mean that hunting is only done for food. Maybe that's the way you were raised, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong for not following suite.



lukeshort wrote:
I will take my sense of common, over a total disregard for a commodity any day.
More C&P.

Ah yes. Implication that someone has failed in some area or another (in this case not eating kills is a "total disregard for a commodity", and therefore said killing is wrong). Backhanded personal attacks like this are often tools used by those who attempt to take a moral high ground by merely trying to put others down.





lukeshort wrote:
And this video is the sort of stuff liberal idiots will use to put every gun owner into the same category.
And not just the liberals who are idiots, but also the ones who know better, but will use it as to promote that lie anyway.

Painting every hunter who doesn't eat his kills, in with the same brush as the people in this video, is no different that what said liberal would do.




lukeshort wrote:
And really, I can only think of one species I would consider a pest, but I'd never eat one.
Deer, squirrels, ground squirrels, red squirrels, skunks, raccoons, rabbits, certain snakes and spider, porcupine, and possum are all pests, and those are just some examples, not all inclusive. People kill rats and mice all the time, without eating them. Just because you only see one type of animal as a pest, doesn't make it a reality.

Like I said, I guess it's easier to build oneself up by tearing others down, than to actually just build oneself up. Anti-OC'ers do it all the time.

Wow! Your really intelligent to ascertain all that from my post. You implied things I wasn't even thinking of. This reply totally rocks. If I was trying to say all that without even trying I must be as intelligent as you. Thanks for pointing that out.

The above is an example of a personal attack,butnot intendedto be taken as one.
 

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PT111 wrote:
I took the Californian comment the same way it was intended but decided to add a little fuel to the fire. :lol:  I got thoroughly ripped  few days ago for suggesting that I could use pictures of Nancy Pelosi for target practice to help me focus better.  Seems that Californians on this board get a little sensitive over some things. :shock::celebrate

Mostly just when people suggest that Californians are somehow communists and/or should be killed. Californians are working very hard to restore their civil rights, which is more than you can say for many states.

As far as Nancy Pelosi goes, she'd make a better model for paper shooting targets than just about any other career, so I say have at it.
 

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b1ack5mith wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p2smWH8Erw

yeah. idiot rednecks killing animals for fun is a perfect example of immaturity and consiousless being.

THEY will be a reason to ban guns. "Oh, well look at these gun owners, killing animals for fun, we should ban guns!" is that they might say.

I wouldn't worry about it, too much.

The psuedo-sophisticates who get up in arms about it are themselves as unthinking.

There aren't enough of them to bedifficult to defeat politically. They might add a little to any anti-gun noise; but that is about it.

Maybe leavea comment that as a responsible gun owner you're sickened/disturbed/disappointed, etc.
 

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unreconstructed1 wrote:
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The existence and prominence of idiot rednecks in the gun owner community gives anti's fuel for their backward, ignorant, hillbilly gun owner stereotype. That's all I was referring to.
you know buster, you are probably one of the most blatantly discriminatory and prejudiced people I have ever met. I don't believe that I have read a single mind numbingly ignorant post from you where you haven't made some type of crude comment about "white trash" "rednecks", "cowboys", "hicks" etc.

If it were someone else making crude remarks about "yankees", or about Connecticut, or about liberal statist pieces of filth like yourself, you would most likely be the first one PMing the administration here asking for that persons banning.

get bent, bigot.




People do it all the time. Do I have to quote it for you? Times I've complained: 0

You're a grown man. Stop whining.
 
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