Obama and Concealed carry.

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Pointman wrote:

da7f2q8 wrote:

Dutch:

You have composed what appears to be an excellent pledge that all our elected officials should take.

I propose we (each and every one of us) e-mail this to our elected officials and demand that they sign on to uphold it.

What say you all?

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I say they already pledge that when they take their oath of office and pledge to support the Constitution. They should be required to act in accordance.

As far as Webb goes, he's not running for President. He's a great picture of him and Kerry, though: http://www.crimefilenews.com/2007/03/aide-to-sen-james-webb-d-va-busted-for.html

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So the problem with them publicly signing on to this pledge would be what?

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da7f2q8 wrote:

Dutch Uncle wrote

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I fully support the 2nd amendment, including the right to own and buy guns, commercially or privately, as well as to carry them openly or concealed. I support the ownership of all guns commonly in circulation including semi-auto pistols, centerfire rifles and shotguns. I will also refuse to vote for any back door assaults on the 2nd amendment such as confiscatory taxes on firearms and ammo, abusive, politically motivated lawsuits against gun manufacturers, or outrageous fees for firearm related activities. I recognize that the 2nd amendment speaks to the right of individual citizens to arm for their self defense, defense of the state, or overthrow of a tyrannical government".

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Dutch:

You have composed what appears to be an excellent pledge that all our elected officials should take.

I propose we (each and every one of us) e-mail this to our elected officials and demand that they sign on to uphold it.

What say you all?

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I've got an even simpler one for them to sign:

" I fully support the second amendment, and believe that it means exactly what it says. I will not vote for any legislation that in ANY way infringes upon any American's right to keep and bear arms."

How many congressmen, democrat OR republican, do you suppose would sign it?

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GaGunOwner wrote:

I hope I'm wrong but I believe that Obama, aided by the Democratically controlled Congress, will be able to pass AWB II which will include bans on mag. capacity. It most likely will not have a sunset provision. :X

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Nope. The AWB folks don't have the votes in the Senate, and won't -- unless the turnover there is something nobody expects.

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The Donkey wrote:

GaGunOwner wrote:

I hope I'm wrong but I believe that Obama, aided by the Democratically controlled Congress, will be able to pass AWB II which will include bans on mag. capacity. It most likely will not have a sunset provision. :X

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Nope. The AWB folks don't have the votes in the Senate, and won't -- unless the turnover there is something nobody expects.

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IF nObama wins the election and IF as they think might happen the *Dems* get 60 seats in the Senate then they have the *Super Majority* they'll want/need and with no president to veto,,anything can happen boys and girls, just me sayin it

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KansasMustang wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

GaGunOwner wrote:

I hope I'm wrong but I believe that Obama, aided by the Democratically controlled Congress, will be able to pass AWB II which will include bans on mag. capacity. It most likely will not have a sunset provision. :X

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Nope. The AWB folks don't have the votes in the Senate, and won't -- unless the turnover there is something nobody expects.

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IF nObama wins the election and IF as they think might happen the *Dems* get 60 seats in the Senate then they have the *Super Majority* they'll want/need and with no president to veto,,anything can happen boys and girls, just me sayin it

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There will also be at least 8 reliable pro gun democratic votes in the Senate who would have to vote with that majority for anything to get anywhere.

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I sincerely hope you are right, Donkey. Who are the 8 solid pro-2A dems you think would hold the line and not cave to a party line vote?

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deepdiver wrote:

I sincerely hope you are right, Donkey. Who are the 8 solid pro-2A dems you think would hold the line and not cave to a party line vote?

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Mark Warner, Webb, Ben Nelson, Baucus, Tester, Casey

I also count Reid, but that is controversial.

I am leaving one out . . . tip of my tongue . . .

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The Donkey wrote:

KansasMustang wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

GaGunOwner wrote:

I hope I'm wrong but I believe that Obama, aided by the Democratically controlled Congress, will be able to pass AWB II which will include bans on mag. capacity. It most likely will not have a sunset provision. :X

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Nope. The AWB folks don't have the votes in the Senate, and won't -- unless the turnover there is something nobody expects.

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IF nObama wins the election and IF as they think might happen the *Dems* get 60 seats in the Senate then they have the *Super Majority* they'll want/need and with no president to veto,,anything can happen boys and girls, just me sayin it

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There will also be at least 8 reliable pro gun democratic votes in the Senate who would have to vote with that majority for anything to get anywhere.

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Give me a break! Obama/Biden are the most anti-second amendment ticket we have ever had. They will over see many set backs to our rights. They will appoint bad judges, they will push for bans in the legistator and they will user executive power to strip away our rights. You sir I suspect are nothing more than an apologist for Obama and the socialist left. I do not belieave you are here to support our rights or the second amendment. I think you are only here to try and undermind those that see the truth of Obama threat to our rights. I do not think you are a friend to what this forum is about or our second amendment rights. ....if you indeed belieave in the second amendment......then I have even more contempt for your support of Obama.

One can not by any streach of the imagionation see Obama as being anything but against our second amendment rights. His pick of Biden alone shows his contempt for our rights.

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Scholar John Lott recalls Obama saying, "I don't believe that people should be able to own guns."

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The Donkey wrote:

deepdiver wrote:

I sincerely hope you are right, Donkey. Who are the 8 solid pro-2A dems you think would hold the line and not cave to a party line vote?

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Mark Warner, Webb, Ben Nelson, Baucus, Tester, Casey

I also count Reid, but that is controversial.

I am leaving one out . . . tip of my tongue . . .

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Reid? Harry Reid???? A reliable pro gun democratic vote in the Senate? The only thing reliable about Harry Reid is that he will vote against anything the GOP wants, he will defame the troops and work hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in any foreign conflict and will use his protection from slander to lie about anyone with whom he disagrees. He goes so far beyond spin as to make James Carville seem even tempered, civil and factual in comparison. He would vote against giving his mother CPR during a heart attack if a GOP senator suggested it would be a good idea.

To be fair though, as I am only moderately knowledgeable about a few of those and not at all about most of them, I will take some time to review their records and see what I can see. With the exception of Reid (who IIRC voted for the AWB) I agree on one and cannot dispute the others as I don't have enough info. If you are correct, and I hope so, I will feel much better about the matter.

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Given Obama's anti-gun record and George Soros' anti-gun creed, does anyone think that Obama is Soros' man?

Or a better executed version of the Chaney/Haliburton pulling W's strings orchestra?

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da7f2q8 wrote:

Given Obama's anti-gun record and George Soros' anti-gun creed, does anyone think that Obama is Soros' man?

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Somebody is filling the empty suit ...

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deepdiver wrote:

da7f2q8 wrote:

Given Obama's anti-gun record and George Soros' anti-gun creed, does anyone think that Obama is Soros' man?

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Somebody is filling the empty suit ...

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Can I get an AMEN,,Obama is just a talking head,,empty suit for Soros and his UN agenda