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    So I went to Cabela's in Hammond to purchase another handgun and encountered a rude lady at the front door handing out that free hat card that I get every time I enterthe store. Here is how it went down.

    "Sir, you need to check in your gun" (Said it very rudely)

    "No thank you, I'm not going to upholster my weapon" (I said this thinking she knew that I was allowed to OC in the store).

    I keep walking and she chased me down.

    "You need to come with me" (wave me over to the front door)

    I walked over to her.

    "Do you have a permit to carry?"

    "No, but I have a license to carry a handgun."

    "You have to CC your weapon."

    "No I don't. I come here all the time and it's not against the store's policy. The state of Indiana authorized me to be able to carry a gun no matter how I carry."

    She points to the sign posted on the front door.

    "Yeah, I can read. Where does it say I have to check in my gun? I'm not getting it serviced or anything. I am keeping it on myself for my own protection."

    "Well I need to see your permit and check in your weapon."

    "You're not touching my gun."

    "I need to see your permit."

    "You mean my license? Let me see your badge."

    At this point I just showed her my license so I can look at the gun I want to get and she was getting loud and making a fuss.

    "Well I just need to check."

    "No you don't"

    I walked away pretty annoyed. I looked at the gun I plan on getting and just left the store because I will still annoyed for being harassed

    I ended up calling the store and I talked to one of the managers named Trevor. I told him the whole story. He apologized profusely saying that I was absolutely correct and that he will have a talk with this particular individual about policy. I told him that's all I wanted him to do. He asked if I was ever going to come back. I told him after talking to you I'd love to come back (and OC of course). He said thank you and we hung up.

    I have never had a problem there before and never treated by anyone like that . She was loud and causing a scene. I was very embarrassed.

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    Whay day & time did you go ?

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    Thats too bad that you ran into a rogue employee. I'm sure the manager will help her understand the policies.

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    Day, time, and first name would be great. We can plan our next meet-up on her shift.

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    I find it impossible to believe that there are any employees left that are unaware of either Cabela's policy or Indiana's stance on open carrying (especially in the firearms department). Honestly, this crap with Cabela's has been going on for at least 18 months now.

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    It happened Sunday 10/12around 2pm. I did not get her name as she had covered it up with her orange vest. I was not going to ask either. She was a short middle aged lady with long brownish hair.

    Like I said, I there ALL the time. Like 4 days a week and have never had a problem. I know what she looks like so I think I'll go there again and get her name and we can plan an outing when she is working. =D

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    alphadeity wrote:
    So I went to Cabela's in Hammond to purchase another handgun and encountered a rude lady at the front door handing out that free hat card that I get every time I enterthe store. Here is how it went down.

    "Sir, you need to check in your gun" (Said it very rudely)

    "No thank you, I'm not going to upholster my weapon" (I said this thinking she knew that I was allowed to OC in the store).

    I keep walking and she chased me down.

    "You need to come with me" (wave me over to the front door)

    I walked over to her.

    "Do you have a permit to carry?"

    "No, but I have a license to carry a handgun."

    "You have to CC your weapon."

    "No I don't. I come here all the time and it's not against the store's policy. The state of Indiana authorized me to be able to carry a gun no matter how I carry."

    She points to the sign posted on the front door.

    "Yeah, I can read. Where does it say I have to check in my gun? I'm not getting it serviced or anything. I am keeping it on myself for my own protection."

    "Well I need to see your permit and check in your weapon."

    "You're not touching my gun."

    "I need to see your permit."

    "You mean my license? Let me see your badge."

    At this point I just showed her my license so I can look at the gun I want to get and she was getting loud and making a fuss.

    "Well I just need to check."

    "No you don't"

    I walked away pretty annoyed. I looked at the gun I plan on getting and just left the store because I will still annoyed for being harassed

    I ended up calling the store and I talked to one of the managers named Trevor. I told him the whole story. He apologized profusely saying that I was absolutely correct and that he will have a talk with this particular individual about policy. I told him that's all I wanted him to do. He asked if I was ever going to come back. I told him after talking to you I'd love to come back (and OC of course). He said thank you and we hung up.

    I have never had a problem there before and never treated by anyone like that . She was loud and causing a scene. I was very embarrassed.
    Yeah, it's stubburn people like you who gives gun carry a bad name. Yeah it's legal, but it does freak out a few people.

    Have you ever heard the phrase "win the battle but lose the war"? That is somewhat your approach. You argued with the lady, and you got your way, but in the end it is stubburn people like you that will cost us the war. What war? Keeping our gun rights. If you go about ******* off people, they will soon associate guns as a negative.

    And that is not what we need. Maybe you have heard this saying. "Just because we can do a thing - does not mean we should do a thing.


    I would guess that you are no older than 25. Possibly youger. If not, you seem to have the attitude of a young punk.

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    Nah. I'm not a young punk. I support the right to open carry handguns. That's why I'm here on this forum. You needed to be there to see how the situation went down. The lady's whole unprofessional attitude about the whole thing is what made me act how I did. I believe people need to be informed of the laws and rules of a store before they act on something. I was very respectful until she started yelling at me. If you disagree with what I did, how would you go about the situation? Instead of attacking me; why don't you be a little more constructive and make a respectful criticism? Do you not support open carry? If not, you're on the wrong site. Scare people? If people are afraid of a holstered gun in Cabela's they are in the wrong store. I don't want to turn this topic into a flame, so I'm only going to post once.

    ps. I'm 28 years old and I am a LEO. I've been serving for 6 years. I'm all about gun rights and sticking up for them. I feel like it is my duty in life to protect others from the evil in this world. If I save one person’s live, then my life was worth living. I know criminals will get their guns no matter what and I strongly believe that when people open carry, it deters criminal activity. If I’m the first target for a gunman… then so be it. I’d rather die trying to stop a criminal rather than not being able to defend myself and having the gunman know that I can. I would want to be the first target in a situation like that. Anyway… Good day/night to you.

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    alphadeity wrote:
    Nah. I'm not a young punk. I support the right to open carry handguns. That's why I'm here on this forum. You needed to be there to see how the situation went down. The lady's whole unprofessional attitude about the whole thing is what made me act how I did. I believe people need to be informed of the laws and rules of a store before they act on something. I was very respectful until she started yelling at me. If you disagree with what I did, how would you go about the situation? Instead of attacking me; why don't you be a little more constructive and make a respectful criticism? Do you not support open carry? If not, you're on the wrong site. Scare people? If people are afraid of a holstered gun in Cabela's they are in the wrong store. I don't want to turn this topic into a flame, so I'm only going to post once.

    ps. I'm 28 years old and I am a LEO. I've been serving for 6 years. I'm all about gun rights and sticking up for them. I feel like it is my duty in life to protect others from the evil in this world. If I save one person’s live, then my life was worth living. I know criminals will get their guns no matter what and I strongly believe that when people open carry, it deters criminal activity. If I’m the first target for a gunman… then so be it. I’d rather die trying to stop a criminal rather than not being able to defend myself and having the gunman know that I can. I would want to be the first target in a situation like that. Anyway… Good day/night to you.
    I agree with most all of what you just wrote. I am glad we can carry open in public. But when you don't really need to is what I have a problem with and I'll explain why. A big part of it is the fact that the anti-gunners are trying to take them away. It is just like pouring gas on a fire when we walk around with open carry. I would have a considerably different view if everyone in the world was cool with guns. But OC just adds to the reason that motivate the anti-gunners to push for banning guns.

    I am sure you have heard the phrase "stay below the radar". That is what carrying concealed does. It does not attract attention simply because there is nothing to see.

    Go ahead and carry open. It is your right... But as I can't stress enough that motivates the anti-gunners to push all the more to rid us of our rights. It simply makes those type people nervous. Me personally it does not bother me in that sense.

    And alot of people laugh at seeing people do it. I have heard people talk about it and I hear things like "who does he think he is, a modern day cowboy?"

    Unlike the old west, the chances of a shootout have dropped a thousand fold.

    I am getting very repetitive. But just consideer this and push whatever reasons you have for OC aside for a moment. Now ask yourself, how do I look to a anti-gunner when I oc?

    And remember this, the anti's have more power in many cases that we do.

    Look at this. The bible was taken out of schools in the early 60's just because of one woman. She managed to do it on her own through the courts. You can't get a license plate reflecting anything for God anymore. Society ahs dreamed up all they crazy names for nasty stuff. If you don't like ****** they say you are homophobic. I am not homophobic, I just can't stand ******. It is an abomination. In many businesses you are basically rewarded benefit wise if you have a same sex partner. For example Purdue University. If you shack up with a person of the opposite sex you can't get them on your insurance. If you are a *** or lesbo you can get them on your insurance.

    See what I mean? These days wrong is right in the eyes of many. And it is those twisted whiners that take away our rights. And by carrying open when you don't really have to is like teasing a dog. Soon he will be meaner than ever and he will snap at you.

    I would not be quite so against open carry if it was not fueling the fire that is driving our gun rights away. So, win the battle and lose the war. Can't you see where this is going? People keep it up and there will be more and more signs on buisness' prohibiting carrying inside the store at all. It could eventually provoke so many stores to post signs, that during the course of a day you may have to put on and take off your gun several times a day if you obey the signs.

    It will only take one person getting nervous and approach a store manager. And I guarantee you it will take only one customer getting scared off from a store that the managers knows about and he/she will post the entrance before you can say reload.


    Think about it.

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    Alphadeity did the right thing. Period. It was his call. Period. Alphadeity, Thanks for posting your experience and affording the rest of us an opportunity to learn from your experiences.

    Acquiescing our rights by not having meaningful discussions and/or not carrying where perfectly legal is one of the reasons we are having to fight to keep what we have. If we don't exercise our RKBA, it will be lost. That's what this forum is all about.

    Picking the time and location (where legal)to OC is up to each individual. Each of us has a different level of 'comfort' that we operate in.

    Criticizingeach other by second guessing simply isn't beneficial. Only Alphadeity was there. Thoroughly and respectfullydiscussing the details as Alphadiety presents themwith possible positive improvement and educationisbeneficial to any of us who may encounter a similar situation.

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    Glockster714 wrote:
    I agree with most all of what you just wrote. I am glad we can carry open in public. But when you don't really need to is what I have a problem with and I'll explain why. A big part of it is the fact that the anti-gunners are trying to take them away. It is just like pouring gas on a fire when we walk around with open carry. I would have a considerably different view if everyone in the world was cool with guns. But OC just adds to the reason that motivate the anti-gunners to push for banning guns.

    I am sure you have heard the phrase "stay below the radar". That is what carrying concealed does. It does not attract attention simply because there is nothing to see.

    So I can't exercise a right because it might offend someone?

    Go ahead and carry open. It is your right... But as I can't stress enough that motivates the anti-gunners to push all the more to rid us of our rights. It simply makes those type people nervous. Me personally it does not bother me in that sense.

    Apparently, it does bother you. Do you understand you are on an OPEN CARRY forum? What you state is contrary to the principle of open carry. Your assertion OC motivates antigunners to push to rid us of our rights...hint: They want to do it anyway, OC or CC. What people need to see is responsible gun owners, versus the ones they see on TV.

    And alot of people laugh at seeing people do it. I have heard people talk about it and I hear things like "who does he think he is, a modern day cowboy?"

    So what have you done to educate the ignorant on your state's gun laws? Or do you nod your head and agree with them?

    Unlike the old west, the chances of a shootout have dropped a thousand fold.

    FLAG! Hyperbole...loss of 10 yards...

    I am getting very repetitive. But just consideer this and push whatever reasons you have for OC aside for a moment. Now ask yourself, how do I look to a anti-gunner when I oc?

    I give two poops...true-believers of the anti-gun culture will never be turned around until crime hits them at home...and they realize that police cannot protect them when someone wishes to do them (or someone they love) harm. What about those who are on the fence? A responsible person wearing a gun? Holy cow...is it possible? :what:

    And remember this, the anti's have more power in many cases that we do.

    FLAG! Baseless assertion! Loss of another 10 yards, repeat 2nd down

    Look at this. The bible was taken out of schools in the early 60's just because of one woman. She managed to do it on her own through the courts. You can't get a license plate reflecting anything for God anymore. Society ahs dreamed up all they crazy names for nasty stuff. If you don't like ****** they say you are homophobic. I am not homophobic, I just can't stand ******. It is an abomination. In many businesses you are basically rewarded benefit wise if you have a same sex partner. For example Purdue University. If you shack up with a person of the opposite sex you can't get them on your insurance. If you are a *** or lesbo you can get them on your insurance.

    I'm at a loss here...

    See what I mean? These days wrong is right in the eyes of many. And it is those twisted whiners that take away our rights. And by carrying open when you don't really have to is like teasing a dog. Soon he will be meaner than ever and he will snap at you.

    And that is why I carry JHPs...

    I would not be quite so against open carry if it was not fueling the fire that is driving our gun rights away. So, win the battle and lose the war. Can't you see where this is going? People keep it up and there will be more and more signs on buisness' prohibiting carrying inside the store at all. It could eventually provoke so many stores to post signs, that during the course of a day you may have to put on and take off your gun several times a day if you obey the signs.

    It will only take one person getting nervous and approach a store manager. And I guarantee you it will take only one customer getting scared off from a store that the managers knows about and he/she will post the entrance before you can say reload.

    FLAG! Strawman! Penalty--you need to post less and read more.


    Think about it.

    Take your own advice. Otherwise, you might find comfort at another forum...because I don't see you contributing much from this perspective. Unless OC is specifically prohibited (or allowed by statute in certain states), then it is legal. If people have a problem with that, then they can work to get the law changed....we will counter it.
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    Glockster714,

    If you're so against open carry why spend time here? Are you looking to convert us away from carrying openly? I wonder, do you also hang out in gay forums since you can't stand them as well?

    And perhaps take your own advice. When you say:

    If you don't like ****** they say you are homophobic. I am not homophobic, I just can't stand ******. It is an abomination. In many businesses you are basically rewarded benefit wise if you have a same sex partner. For example Purdue University. If you shack up with a person of the opposite sex you can't get them on your insurance. If you are a *** or lesbo you can get them on your insurance.
    You make it difficult for other Christians to try to PERSUADE others to change a lifestyle or resist a temptation they might have. Keep in mind we all have our own temptations and we all fail at one time or another. Your rhetoric doesn't show love in a matter that definitely requires it and tossing it into this discussion brings up the question of how serious a button this is for you.

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    "You can't get a license plate reflecting anything for God anymore."

    Out of all of this I find this most humorous. Although I live in Virginia I see current Indiana license plates with a dark blue background and white lettering that clearly says "In God We Trust". Cool beans.

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    Double post. Sorry Indiana-ers.

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    jmelvin wrote:
    "You can't get a license plate reflecting anything for God anymore."

    Out of all of this I find this most humorous. Although I live in Virginia I see current Indiana license plates with a dark blue background and white lettering that clearly says "In God We Trust". Cool beans.
    Even Better, An Indiana woman just got "God Can" on her plate because somone else had "God Cant". Saw it in the newspapper just a few days ago.

    And I agree with the original poster.

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    Nah. I'm not a young punk. I support the right to open carry handguns. That's why I'm here on this forum. You needed to be there to see how the situation went down. The lady's whole unprofessional attitude about the whole thing is what made me act how I did. I believe people need to be informed of the laws and rules of a store before they act on something. I was very respectful until she started yelling at me. If you disagree with what I did, how would you go about the situation? Instead of attacking me; why don't you be a little more constructive and make a respectful criticism? Do you not support open carry? If not, you're on the wrong site. Scare people? If people are afraid of a holstered gun in Cabela's they are in the wrong store. I don't want to turn this topic into a flame, so I'm only going to post once.

    ps. I'm 28 years old and I am a LEO. I've been serving for 6 years. I'm all about gun rights and sticking up for them. I feel like it is my duty in life to protect others from the evil in this world. If I save one person’s live, then my life was worth living. I know criminals will get their guns no matter what and I strongly believe that when people open carry, it deters criminal activity. If I’m the first target for a gunman… then so be it. I’d rather die trying to stop a criminal rather than not being able to defend myself and having the gunman know that I can. I would want to be the first target in a situation like that. Anyway… Good day/night to you.
    I agree with most all of what you just wrote. I am glad we can carry open in public. But when you don't really need to is what I have a problem with and I'll explain why. A big part of it is the fact that the anti-gunners are trying to take them away. It is just like pouring gas on a fire when we walk around with open carry. I would have a considerably different view if everyone in the world was cool with guns. But OC just adds to the reason that motivate the anti-gunners to push for banning guns.

    I am sure you have heard the phrase "stay below the radar". That is what carrying concealed does. It does not attract attention simply because there is nothing to see.

    Go ahead and carry open. It is your right... But as I can't stress enough that motivates the anti-gunners to push all the more to rid us of our rights. It simply makes those type people nervous. Me personally it does not bother me in that sense.

    And alot of people laugh at seeing people do it. I have heard people talk about it and I hear things like "who does he think he is, a modern day cowboy?"

    Unlike the old west, the chances of a shootout have dropped a thousand fold.

    I am getting very repetitive. But just consideer this and push whatever reasons you have for OC aside for a moment. Now ask yourself, how do I look to a anti-gunner when I oc?

    And remember this, the anti's have more power in many cases that we do.

    Look at this. The bible was taken out of schools in the early 60's just because of one woman. She managed to do it on her own through the courts. You can't get a license plate reflecting anything for God anymore. Society ahs dreamed up all they crazy names for nasty stuff. If you don't like ****** they say you are homophobic. I am not homophobic, I just can't stand ******. It is an abomination. In many businesses you are basically rewarded benefit wise if you have a same sex partner. For example Purdue University. If you shack up with a person of the opposite sex you can't get them on your insurance. If you are a *** or lesbo you can get them on your insurance.

    See what I mean? These days wrong is right in the eyes of many. And it is those twisted whiners that take away our rights. And by carrying open when you don't really have to is like teasing a dog. Soon he will be meaner than ever and he will snap at you.

    I would not be quite so against open carry if it was not fueling the fire that is driving our gun rights away. So, win the battle and lose the war. Can't you see where this is going? People keep it up and there will be more and more signs on buisness' prohibiting carrying inside the store at all. It could eventually provoke so many stores to post signs, that during the course of a day you may have to put on and take off your gun several times a day if you obey the signs.

    It will only take one person getting nervous and approach a store manager. And I guarantee you it will take only one customer getting scared off from a store that the managers knows about and he/she will post the entrance before you can say reload.


    Think about it.
    take a hike dude.

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    Glockster, I believe your concerns are unfounded and based on an assumption that their are more anit-gunners than there really are. Most of the population is not. What the non-antigunners that may not be guntoters need to see is responsible LAC's carrying in public. They need to see that we are not a threat. Sooner or later, they are going to figure out that the anti-gunners are full of bull hocky and tell them where they can get off. Those folks on the fence are going to realize that they are safer with LAC's carrying amongst them, than without, as they see that violent crime is reduced. Only OC can do this, because they cannot see the guns carried by the CC crowd. (Not meant as bashing CC, but the truth is that CC does not do anything to relieve the concerns of the public when they don't know that your guns exist in the public arena)

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    Glockster714 wrote:
    Yeah, it's stubburn people like you who gives gun carry a bad name. Yeah it's legal, but it does freak out a few people.

    Have you ever heard the phrase "win the battle but lose the war"? That is somewhat your approach. You argued with the lady, and you got your way, but in the end it is stubburn people like you that will cost us the war. What war? Keeping our gun rights. If you go about ******* off people, they will soon associate guns as a negative.

    And that is not what we need. Maybe you have heard this saying. "Just because we can do a thing - does not mean we should do a thing.


    I would guess that you are no older than 25. Possibly youger. If not, you seem to have the attitude of a young punk.
    You are so right. We should all hide our guns and slink around, avoiding looking in other peoples eyes. It should only be our right to carry defensive tools if it does not bother anybody else. After all being proactive never gained a thing and no one has ever had the need for self-defense without long term advance notice.

    You take your own advise and I will heed mine, thank you sir.

    BTW - I'll put my age, knowledge and experience heads up against yours without qualification. Do you like my attitude better?

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    Raised in southern Indiana.....sooooo....alphadeity....ya done good, son.

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    Glockster714 wrote:
    [If you don't like ****** they say you are homophobic. I am not homophobic, I just can't stand ******. It is an abomination.
    lol, not only are you an anti-OC troll, you're a homophobic one at that!

    Go figure. :shock:

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    alphadeity, just be glad you are not a weak, timid man who lives in trembling fear of what another might think. After witnessing such an attitude in this thread, I think I need to go vomit.

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    alphadeity wrote:
    ps. I'm 28 years old and I am a LEO. I've been serving for 6 years. I'm all about gun rights and sticking up for them. I feel like it is my duty in life to protect others from the evil in this world. If I save one person’s live, then my life was worth living. I know criminals will get their guns no matter what and I strongly believe that when people open carry, it deters criminal activity. If I’m the first target for a gunman… then so be it. I’d rather die trying to stop a criminal rather than not being able to defend myself and having the gunman know that I can. I would want to be the first target in a situation like that. Anyway… Good day/night to you.
    I do have some issue with this, since I also go into that same Cabela's, and I'm a former LEO myself.

    First, I have ZERO problem with you or anyone else carrying openly. Then again, I've grown up with and around guns my whole life, so guns in and of themselves don't "scare" me. However, that's not true with all folks and for some people, yes, even probably some people who work at Cabela's, it might make them nervous. Yes, the store SHOULD (and I'm thinking probably does) train their staff to be aware of this, but possibly not always. But to be fair to everyone, that may not allay the trepidation of a given individual. Guns MAY make this lady nervous, and her reaction may be just exactly that, a bit of nervousness.

    Second , if you're a sworn officer you don't need a CCW, not that you can't have one. But you're right to carry, openly or otherwise, is extant in your position as a sworn officer of the State of Indiana, and further provided by the policies and procedures of your department, whether Hammond, Highland, Griffth, or whatever department you're with.

    Third, if this woman stopped you at the door and you're a LEO, you should have immediately identified yourself to her as a police officer, and showed her your badge / ID.Most departments require you to carry your at least your police identification (and / orbadge) at all times, unless specific circumstances (i.e. undercover) would preclude that.

    IMO, you could have rectified the situation simply by immediately identifying yourself to the greeter as a police officer, which is exactly what you SHOULD have done. For whatever reason, you failed or refused to do so, exacerbating a situation you could have, and should, have easily defused.

    Cabela's does NOT refuse to let any legitimate person carry a weapon while in their store. But they do have some common sense "rules" they request all those who carry weapons adhere to, and ample signage throughout the store. For example, if you're looking for a new holster for your weapon, they ask you do NOT draw your weapon to try it in the new holster to check the fit. Take the holster to the gun counter and have the Cabela's rep get the same exact model handgun as yours and check it that way, or call the rep over to the holster aisle. Makes perfect, common sense.

    I believe Cabela's typically prefers that you CC while in the store, unless you're in uniform (in your case, as an LEO) and are easily identified as a LEO. Again, this seems reasonable and afterall, you ARE a guest in their "house". Only reasonable and prudent to acquiesce to their request and NO, you are in no way "subjugating" yourself or your rights in doing so. You're simply making your friends more comfortable about your being armed while you're in their "home".

    While I agree with you that Cabela's should make certain their staff are thoroughly familiar with the Indiana laws and understand the various carry options available to CCW civilians, you also failed to handle the situation appropriate as a police officer and defuse the situation by immediately identifying yourself as a LEO when approached.

    Since law enforcement is, and should be, held to a higher standard of conduct, the failure to defuse and resolve the situation appropriately must, unfortunately, fall on solely your shoulders. In the future, if this happens again with another greeter, just tell 'em your a cop and avoid confrontational situations.

    And NO, this is NOT a flame. Just an opportunity to learn and help yourself, and ALL CCW CC / OC carrying citizens.

    ThanX A Million for allowing me to make my observations. Stay safe out there, brother. If ya ever need my assistance, just shout out for me, I'm always around and always willing to help out a badge.

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    JB-Indiana wrote:
    you also failed to handle the situation appropriate as a police officer and defuse the situation by immediately identifying yourself as a LEO when approached.
    There is no reason he should "have to" tell the world he is a LEO. There was no reason that he HAD to. So why should he? What situation needed "diffusing" that only a LEO could do? Come on man, as the kids say "Chillax!"

    Also you are dead wrong that "Cabela's" prefers CC to OC.

    Cabelas corporate policy is CRYSTAL CLEAR that OC is just as welcomed as CC. The individual feelings of a clerk or manager is IRRELEVANT.

    FYI Cabelas is Dick, Mary and Jim Cabelas "home".

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