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Two of us Open Carried at the Sarah Palin Rally in Richmond

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Neplusultra wrote:
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I got an automated reply with a FAQ list stating the SS was in charge of security
I thought the SS was doing Obama's security being the socialist he is :^).

Just joking for pete's sake!
Did anyone check for a swastika on the SS troops guarding Obama?
 

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RU98A wrote:
Did anyone check for a swastika on the SS troops guarding Obama?
Let's be fair to the Secret Service. They were NOT part of the problem in PA! It was the local and state police that were the problem.
 

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richarcm wrote:
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Hey, I hear they're making color digital cameras now for less than $100! :^).

That is so bizzare, I can't believe they let you get that close. Perhaps the candidates set that up as a policy? I can't imagine that happening with Biden.
That was my $800 SLR camera that I accidently put on black and white. But it turned out pretty cool so oh well. At least I didn't take all of my pictures like that.
I did that once with my Nikon. It was new to me and I didn't reallize what the "BW" on the screen meant. I'm not sure why they even have that feature since you can always convert the photo later, perhaps to save storage space? Although the photos came out nice it kinda upset me because I think they would have been much better in color.
 

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SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
snip.....

4. Turns out, Chris (richarcm) actually has three pictures of me open carrying at the event (earlier I said he took two)
Do the other pictures show the stands or maybe Sarah?

Would like very much to see them if they are different.

Maybe the are in living color too! :D

Yata hey
 

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SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
I'll answer all three questions I've noticed so far:

1. The shirt is sold on Ebay in all sizes for $15.00 as a Buy It Now items or the bidding starts at $9.99. Just search for Sic Semper Tyrannis. You can make a best offer (I bought three of them) and the seller acceptedmy $12.oooffer each time.

For those of you who are not e-bay fans, do not have an account with e-bay, nor want one [you would have to establish the account to buy the T-shirt] - the public website is: AmericanMethod.com.

You'll pay a little more, but it's direct and you don't have to screw around with e-bay.
 

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I was wondering what the deal was on weapons at these events. Since I've always been a part of the press I've not even been able to have a leatherman with me once they have searched and secured the area.

Glad you were able to carry without incident!
 

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You didn't have to go through the metal detectors? The one I attended in Fairfax was herded through 10 of them on the only entrance. I didn't think I'd get through OC or CC when the bus-in point was instructed no food/drinks/purses/signs, etc. Seems like it's relaxed since then.

Good for you. I'm jealous, but then again I wouldn't have really wanted to stand in the same 2 ft sq for three hours like I did and be concerned about a grab in the crowd.

Cheers to you! :celebrate
 

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Nelson_Muntz wrote:
You didn't have to go through the metal detectors? The one I attended in Fairfax was herded through 10 of them on the only entrance. I didn't think I'd get through OC or CC when the bus-in point was instructed no food/drinks/purses/signs, etc. Seems like it's relaxed since then.

Good for you. I'm jealous, but then again I wouldn't have really wanted to stand in the same 2 ft sq for three hours like I did and be concerned about a grab in the crowd.

Cheers to you! :celebrate

Only maybe 1% of the crowd - the 200 or sopeople sitting directly aroundPalin in bleachers - went through metal detectors and were not permitted to have bags and drinks. The other 20-25,000 of us had no restrictions whatsoever. I don't think we even had 2 square feet to stand in.

As far as some other posters comments: 1. I had to look up Cowboy Ken. Turns out he was a Hollywood Cowboy film star of the 1930's. Who Knew? I saw some old black and white pics of him, and I guess I see some slight resemblence. 2. The other two pics Chris took of me are much of the same (minor differences - in one I am wearing sunglasses, for example). If you just want general pics of Sarah Palin, Todd Palin or Hank Williams, Jr -I am sure you could private message me and / or richarcmand we'd be glad to share.
 

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Lysander wrote:
jpierce wrote:
RU98A wrote:
Did anyone check for a swastika on the SS troops guarding Obama?
Let's be fair to the Secret Service. They were NOT part of the problem in PA! It was the local and state police that were the problem.
That's right. Here's a link to who is responsible: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/31196-mtn-jack-arrested-oc-near-obama-rally-site.html#post408562


The USSS cleared him; that is, they are not involved in any charges.
My bad. I didn't read close enough. Bad boy, Bad boy. My apologies to the SS.:D
 

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Only because this is making me a little nervous.....to be fair we open carried our holsters to the event. We did not arm up until we go to to my truck in the parking lot. There were not any security measures taken place upon arrival of the event however I am not 100% confident that had we spent the event actually OCing that a cop wouldn't have come to us and asked us to leave or disarm.

I'm am not confident enough in the allowance of OCing at rallys such as this as to persuade others to do it. I would recommend approaching this issue no differently than you ever have until there is more obvious evidence that OCing would not be a problem.
 

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richarcm wrote:
Only because this is making me a little nervous.....to be fair we open carried our holsters to the event. We did not arm up until we go to to my truck in the parking lot. There were not any security measures taken place upon arrival of the event however I am not 100% confident that had we spent the event actually OCing that a cop wouldn't have come to us and asked us to leave or disarm.

I'm am not confident enough in the allowance of OCing at rallys such as this as to persuade others to do it. I would recommend approaching this issue no differently than you ever have until there is more obvious evidence that OCing would not be a problem.

OK guys - 'fess up. Did you OC or even CC at the event itself or only in the parking lot? Or was it an "empty holster" thing.

The OP says you did carry but the above states otherwise. :(

If you truly participated with empty holsters, you accomplished something - but what am I to believe now?

I can understand all of the reasons for taking the "empty holster" route but find none acceptable to me for an apparent deception of the readership.

Please tell me I am wrong because faith and trust in the word of a brother have been lost.

Yata hey
 

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Grapeshot wrote:
richarcm wrote:
Only because this is making me a little nervous.....to be fair we open carried our holsters to the event. We did not arm up until we go to to my truck in the parking lot. There were not any security measures taken place upon arrival of the event however I am not 100% confident that had we spent the event actually OCing that a cop wouldn't have come to us and asked us to leave or disarm.

I'm am not confident enough in the allowance of OCing at rallys such as this as to persuade others to do it. I would recommend approaching this issue no differently than you ever have until there is more obvious evidence that OCing would not be a problem.

OK guys - 'fess up. Did you OC or even CC at the event itself or only in the parking lot? Or was it an "empty holster" thing.

The OP says you did carry but the above states otherwise. :(

If you truly participated with empty holsters, you accomplished something - but what am I to believe now?

I can understand all of the reasons for taking the "empty holster" route but find none acceptable to me for an apparent deception of the readership.

Please tell me I am wrong because faith and trust in the word of a brother have been lost.

Yata hey

In the name of not causing problems in the future for someone else....we empty holstered to the event. Nobody made any mention to our holsters.Sic Semper Tyrannisarmed when we got back to the truck. He stood around my truck for about 20 minutes, people saw him as EVERYBODY was leaving and then we got in my truck and turned the AC on.

To be fair to Sic Semper Tyrannis, because I'm not trying to call him out, there were not any security measures at all to get to where we were in the crowd. We could have very easily OC'd to the event because there were not any 'no gun' signs and nobody as much as eyeballed us down upon entering. We could have CC'd to where we were without any problems whatsoever. We probably COULD have OC'd however I am not willing say what the outcome would have been had we actually did it.
 

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richarcm wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
richarcm wrote:
Only because this is making me a little nervous.....to be fair we open carried our holsters to the event. We did not arm up until we go to to my truck in the parking lot. There were not any security measures taken place upon arrival of the event however I am not 100% confident that had we spent the event actually OCing that a cop wouldn't have come to us and asked us to leave or disarm.

I'm am not confident enough in the allowance of OCing at rallys such as this as to persuade others to do it. I would recommend approaching this issue no differently than you ever have until there is more obvious evidence that OCing would not be a problem.

OK guys - 'fess up. Did you OC or even CC at the event itself or only in the parking lot? Or was it an "empty holster" thing.

The OP says you did carry but the above states otherwise. :(

If you truly participated with empty holsters, you accomplished something - but what am I to believe now?

I can understand all of the reasons for taking the "empty holster" route but find none acceptable to me for an apparent deception of the readership.

Please tell me I am wrong because faith and trust in the word of a brother have been lost.

Yata hey

In the name of not causing problems in the future for someone else....we empty holstered to the event. Nobody made any mention to our holsters.Sic Semper Tyrannisarmed when we got back to the truck. He stood around my truck for about 20 minutes, people saw him as EVERYBODY was leaving and then we got in my truck and turned the AC on.

To be fair to Sic Semper Tyrannis, because I'm not trying to call him out, there were not any security measures at all to get to where we were in the crowd. We could have very easily OC'd to the event because there were not any 'no gun' signs and nobody as much as eyeballed us down upon entering. We could have CC'd to where we were without any problems whatsoever. We probably COULD have OC'd however I am not willing say what the outcome would have been had we actually did it.
OP snip....
"I later open carried at the rally. No big deal,at least several dozen cops and thousands of people.... including several whodirectly saw me...and we were right at the very front of the crowd at the metal barriers...."

I'm just sorry that someone felt the need to fabricate facts not in evidence. It tarnishes what otherwise could have been a sterling report and puts other things in question. 'Nuff said.

Yata hey
 

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Grapeshot wrote:
richarcm wrote:
Grapeshot wrote:
richarcm wrote:
Only because this is making me a little nervous.....to be fair we open carried our holsters to the event. We did not arm up until we go to to my truck in the parking lot. There were not any security measures taken place upon arrival of the event however I am not 100% confident that had we spent the event actually OCing that a cop wouldn't have come to us and asked us to leave or disarm.

I'm am not confident enough in the allowance of OCing at rallys such as this as to persuade others to do it. I would recommend approaching this issue no differently than you ever have until there is more obvious evidence that OCing would not be a problem.

OK guys - 'fess up. Did you OC or even CC at the event itself or only in the parking lot? Or was it an "empty holster" thing.

The OP says you did carry but the above states otherwise. :(

If you truly participated with empty holsters, you accomplished something - but what am I to believe now?

I can understand all of the reasons for taking the "empty holster" route but find none acceptable to me for an apparent deception of the readership.

Please tell me I am wrong because faith and trust in the word of a brother have been lost.

Yata hey

In the name of not causing problems in the future for someone else....we empty holstered to the event. Nobody made any mention to our holsters.Sic Semper Tyrannisarmed when we got back to the truck. He stood around my truck for about 20 minutes, people saw him as EVERYBODY was leaving and then we got in my truck and turned the AC on.

To be fair to Sic Semper Tyrannis, because I'm not trying to call him out, there were not any security measures at all to get to where we were in the crowd. We could have very easily OC'd to the event because there were not any 'no gun' signs and nobody as much as eyeballed us down upon entering. We could have CC'd to where we were without any problems whatsoever. We probably COULD have OC'd however I am not willing say what the outcome would have been had we actually did it.
OP snip....
"I later open carried at the rally. No big deal,at least several dozen cops and thousands of people.... including several whodirectly saw me...and we were right at the very front of the crowd at the metal barriers...."

I'm just sorry that someone felt the need to fabricate facts not in evidence. It tarnishes what otherwise could have been a sterling report and puts other things in question. 'Nuff said.

Yata hey

I've known Sic Semper Tyrannis for over 10 years now. He's one of the most straight forward guys I know. He's not one to make up stories. If you are referring to the Henrico PD story...I was there when it happened so I can vouch for him. Now in regards to the Palin rally I think he just got a little excited about the fact that there weren't any security measures, nobody said anything about our holsters and nobody said anything once he armed up. I think he was just a little unclear as to when we open holstered and when we armed up.

The point of the story, which I think was his main intention, was that there were ZERO measures there to keep you from CCing....unless going stageside. That being said there were also ZERO measures to keep you from OCing. I'm just a little more skeptical than he is as to whether or not a cop would have confronted us had we OC'd and had he/she seen us. He assumes that we could have OC'd the entire event without much problem. Very possible. I just don't know for sure.

I do know that when the 2A was mentioned at the rally EVERYONE cheered. I don't think anyone there would have much cared had we carried.
 

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This usually would be handled via Private Message, but the harm that has been done to the OCDO board as a place to go for information and the exchange of ideas is too great. It has to be said publically.

Now in regards to the Palin rally I think he just got a little excited about the fact that there weren't any security measures, nobody said anything about our holsters and nobody said anything once he armed up. I think he was just a little unclear as to when we open holstered and when we armed up.

The point of the story, which I think was his main intention, was that there were ZERO measures there to keep you from CCing....unless going stageside. That being said there were also ZERO measures to keep you from OCing. I'm just a little more skeptical than he is as to whether or not a cop would have confronted us had we OC'd and had he/she seen us. He assumes that we could have OC'd the entire event without much problem. Very possible. I just don't know for sure.


Sorry, but this does not wash with what was actually posted. There did not appear in the OP to be any "unclear"-ness about whether or not you two were OC-ing or merely open holstering. This was the original post you made, before you edited it:

SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
You only had to go through the metal detector to sit right around her. If you were going to stand only30 yards away, you could open carry a loaded firearm. Chris (richarcm) and I both did. No bid deal, hundreds of cops and thousands of people.... and we were right at the very front of the crowd at the metal barriers....

Then you posted this, which you apparently did not try to edit:
I would sign an affidavit. We did not see a single secret service officer anywhere... obviously they were there, but likely much closer to where she was speaking, whereas we were outside the zone that required you to go through a metal detector.

I have two photos (taken by Chris) of meat the rallyopen carrying a Sig .40 229. The pics were taken near the parking area,at least100 yards from where she was. I wanted him to take a picture at the fairgrounds just to prove that I really open carried there.


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There is nothing there that refutes your original claim you were OC-ing within 30 yards of Ms. Palin.

Further, you took your sweet time about clarifying that you two were open holstering and not OC-ing. Your "concern" about the consequences of saying you were OC-ing were quite evident in your post.
Only because this is making me a little nervous.....to be fair we open carried our holsters to the event. We did not arm up until we go to to my truck in the parking lot. There were not any security measures taken place upon arrival of the event however I am not 100% confident that had we spent the event actually OCing that a cop wouldn't have come to us and asked us to leave or disarm.
Up until now it was nice knowing you.

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I am extemely disappointed in this. I agree that the OP was clearly misleading and that misleading was carried forward for quite some time.
Come on people, THINK! This is very harmful to your, any by proxy OUR reputation.

I hope there was a lesson learned in this.

Now if you excuse me I need to go edit my comments and update my crosspostings of this to other boards. :X
 
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