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    Ok so this might be kind ofembarassing to admit but here goes.

    I was pumping gas a while back at costco in issaquah OCing. After im there for 1min the attendant walks up to me and gives the usual "areyou acop?" this case it was "are you a detective?" I turned around and said "no, I'm a PAC" which to memeansPrivate Armed Citizen. Alright so...as soon as I said that he said "oh, P.A.C." and walks away. I had thought about saying that before but never did until then and I havent done ever since.

    When I did it and the reaction I got I was like hey, thats a really good way to get people to leave you alone real fast. I know I'm suppose to be educating the public about OCing but there are those times that you just want to be in and out, you know? heres my question

    Was this a smart idea? or completely stupid and illegal?

    I told my cousin and hestarted laughing. Whenever I see him now, hescalls me

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    I don't know about the the legality, but I had to laugh out loud (i guess that's LOL).

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    tntarnold wrote:
    I don't know about the the legality, but I had to laugh out loud (i guess that's LOL).
    Yes, yes lets all laugh at PolskiG And imflattered that your first post was in response to me! Welcome

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    "Are you a cop?"

    "No, private security."

    "No, a personal security agent."

    "No, a homeland securty volunteer."

    "No, a crime suppression assistant."

    Etc.

    As long as you don't identify yourself as a cop, a federal agent, or some other government position your answers are not illegal.

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    I like it. I remember that one for, like you mentioned, when I want to be in and out.

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    Charles,

    "No, private security."
    I love it! I'm going to use that next time. Would be real fun if someone wants to dig for more details:

    "What company?" .. "My company."
    "Does it have a name?" .. "Yeah, '(my first name) security'."
    "What do you secure, exactly?" .. "Myself. My family. You, at least for another couple of minutes..."


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    Certainly not illegal.

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    tricityguy wrote:
    I love it! I'm going to use that next time. Would be real fun if someone wants to dig for more details:

    "What company?" .. "My company."
    "Does it have a name?" .. "Yeah, '(my first name) security'."
    "What do you secure, exactly?" .. "Myself. My family. You, at least for another couple of minutes..."
    That's awesome. The troublemaker in me is smiling from ear to ear. Of course, kinda throwing out the 2A education opportunities here, aren't we?? Eh, we all like to be left alone sometimes though. Good stuff!

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    Well, I've OC'd at the Costco pump all but one time that I was in a hurry. And one of the times I was OC'ing, a late teens/early twenties attendant asked me about it and I said it was legal and told him to hold on. I grabbed a pamphlet and handed it to him and said it was his. He thanked me and walked off reading it.

    After finishing pumping, I always pull off to an adjacent parking lot to calculate my MPG (never get less than 30 and average is around 35). When I pulled out of that lot and passed by the pumps to leave, the attendant was standing there reading the pamphlet... a good 5 minutes later.

    The point of this story is to point out that you may have missed an opportunity to educate someone... one of the many reasons some of us OC.
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    I like 'No, I'm just a guy'.

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    Private security

    (your initials) security

    Bodyguard

    Meteorology inspector

    Defense specialist

    Mobile defense specialist

    Ambulatory defense specialist

    Safety response unit

    I work for (your initials)















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    I have used the "No, I am my own bodyguard"

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    Someone on here about a year ago was telling people OCPD (which he claimed meant Open Carry Personal Decision). It was pointed out that misrepresenting your self as a police officer is in fact a crime and that anything ending in PD would mean police department to the average person. So be careful when you make up initials that they don't actually refer to a law enforcement agency that you were unaware of and that they don't give the impression of law enforcement.

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    PolskiG wrote:
    I turned around and said "no, I'm a PAC" which to memeansPrivate Armed Citizen. Alright so...as soon as I said that he said "oh, P.A.C." and walks away. I had thought about saying that before but never did until then and I havent done ever since.

    When I did it and the reaction I got I was like hey, thats a really good way to get people to leave you alone real fast. I know I'm suppose to be educating the public about OCing but there are those times that you just want to be in and out, you know? heres my question

    Was this a smart idea? or completely stupid and illegal?
    This is a very cool idea. Good work.

    I don't see how it could possibly be illegal.

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    I usually just tell people "No, actually I am an attorney" or "No, I am a firefighter" (both of which are true) and that confuses them enough. Sometimes they ask more which gives the education possibilities. But if they don't ask for more they probably weren't going to benefit from the education.

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    I'll have to go with "No, I'm a high school teacher". That oughta confuse them.

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    "Are you a cop?"

    "No, I'm retired"


    Didn't say what I was retired from.





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    My response is usually one word---No. I don't bother to answer any further questions on other possible "titles" either.

    It's so much simpler.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    Why bother invinting a title? It does you no good except to avoid a conversation, and it leaves people with the idea that only people with a "title" or something else "special" get to carry guns openly. If you can bear to have a conversation about OC with someone, don't OC.

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Why bother invinting a title? It does you no good except to avoid a conversation, and it leaves people with the idea that only people with a "title" or something else "special" get to carry guns openly. If you can bear to have a conversation about OC with someone, don't OC.
    With all due respect I will disagree. I assume you meant "if you CAN'T". My primary reason for OC or concealed for that matter, is not to educate anyone. In fact I think the primary reason is and should be my and my families personal protection. Education is great and given the opportunity I'm all for it. But I don't primarily carry a weapon for that reason.

    I tend to agree with the first part of your post about inventing and titles but avoiding conversations is sometimes just exactly the ticket. Sorry, I know that doesn't advance the aims of this group but again those aims are not the PRIMARY reasons for my actions.

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    sharp wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    Why bother invinting a title? It does you no good except to avoid a conversation, and it leaves people with the idea that only people with a "title" or something else "special" get to carry guns openly. If you can bear to have a conversation about OC with someone, don't OC.
    With all due respect I will disagree. I assume you meant "if you CAN'T". My primary reason for OC or concealed for that matter, is not to educate anyone. In fact I think the primary reason is and should be my and my families personal protection. Education is great and given the opportunity I'm all for it. But I don't primarily carry a weapon for that reason.

    I tend to agree with the first part of your post about inventing and titles but avoiding conversations is sometimes just exactly the ticket. Sorry, I know that doesn't advance the aims of this group but again those aims are not the PRIMARY reasons for my actions.
    Then why bother OCing when CC will get the job done for you?

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    Then why bother OCing when CC will get the job done for you?
    Seriously? Again, while I am not opposing education, it is just not my primary reason. My reply was to the position that if you wouldn't talk (educate) then don't OC.

    I can't believe that I would even need to answer that question Bear. You have been here long enough to know the answers as posted here almost every day.
    But here's a few. You all can fill in the rest or search the posts for more answers.

    It's my right.
    It's more comfortable.
    It tends to avoid "situations" more than concealed.
    I might not have a CPL.
    _____ ......................(your turn)


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    sharp wrote:
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    Then why bother OCing when CC will get the job done for you?
    Seriously? Again, while I am not opposing education, it is just not my primary reason. My reply was to the position that if you wouldn't talk (educate) then don't OC.

    I can't believe that I would even need to answer that question Bear. You have been here long enough to know the answers as posted here almost every day.
    But here's a few. You all can fill in the rest or search the posts for more answers.

    It's my right.
    It's more comfortable.
    It tends to avoid "situations" more than concealed.
    I might not have a CPL.
    _____ ......................(your turn)
    No CPL means you are doing a piss poor job of protecting you and yours as you can't carry loadedin your car. So again, why OC at all when CC will get the job done with out the questions? Which you seem to resent for some reason.




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    Bear 45/70 wrote
    No CPL means you are doing a piss poor job of protecting you and yours as you can't carry loadedin your car. So again, why OC at all when CC will get the job done with out the questions? Which you seem to resent for some reason.
    Bear logic. Thought I'd not have to run into it but I guess everyone does if you post here long enough.

    First, your negative "opinion" of my abilities including using derogatory terms for those abilities is unwarranted. You don't know me nor my abilities. If I choose to load and unload my weapon entering or leaving my vehicle I will. If I choose to leave my CPL in the car and OC without speaking to people when I chose I will. Isn't this about our rights, our choices? I was perhaps misinformed and this is really SV's and Bear's school for educating the public forum. I missed reading the part about not OC'ing if I didnt "educate the public EVERY stinking time I OC", when I signed on.

    Secondly, Bear almost always seems to pick and choose the points he wants to harp on and ignores the rest. I gave 4 reasons and there are more, so again if you reject the last one ....re-read the other three to answer your own question.

    Thirdly, read my posts please. Nowhere did I say I resented education. Don't misrepresent my posts. Being as education is not my primary reason it's reasonable to say its secondary at best. I clearly stated I'm ALL for it given the opportunity. Maybe I should have qualified that to say "appropriate opportunity". ( and I will decide what appropriate is).


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    just_a_car wrote:
    Well, I've OC'd at the Costco pump all but one time that I was in a hurry. And one of the times I was OC'ing, a late teens/early twenties attendant asked me about it and I said it was legal and told him to hold on. I grabbed a pamphlet and handed it to him and said it was his. He thanked me and walked off reading it.

    After finishing pumping, I always pull off to an adjacent parking lot to calculate my MPG (never get less than 30 and average is around 35). When I pulled out of that lot and passed by the pumps to leave, the attendant was standing there reading the pamphlet... a good 5 minutes later.

    The point of this story is to point out that you may have missed an opportunity to educate someone... one of the many reasons some of us OC.
    yes I know, this guy was older though and he looked like he was on a mission to grill me.

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