Bear 45/70
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sharp wrote:
sharp wrote:
Then why bother OCing when CC will get the job done for you?
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
I can't believe that I would even need to answer that question Bear. You have been here long enough to know the answers as posted here almost every day.
But here's a few. You all can fill in the rest or search the posts for more answers.
It's my right.
It's more comfortable.
It tends to avoid "situations" more than concealed.
I might not have a CPL.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Seriously? Again, while I am not opposing education, it is just not my primary reason. My reply was to the position that if you wouldn't talk (educate) then don't OC.
I can't believe that I would even need to answer that question Bear. You have been here long enough to know the answers as posted here almost every day.
But here's a few. You all can fill in the rest or search the posts for more answers.
It's my right.
It's more comfortable.
It tends to avoid "situations" more than concealed.
I might not have a CPL.
_____ ......................(your turn)
Bear 45/70
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sharp wrote:
sharp wrote:
No CPL means you are doing a piss poor job of protecting you and yours as you can't carry loadedin your car. So again, why OC at all when CC will get the job done with out the questions? Which you seem to resent for some reason.
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Bear 45/70 wrote
First, your negative "opinion" of my abilities including using derogatory terms for those abilities is unwarranted. You don't know me nor my abilities. If I choose to load and unload my weapon entering or leaving my vehicle I will. If I choose to leave my CPL in the car and OC without speaking to people when I chose I will. Isn't this about our rights, our choices? I was perhaps misinformed and this is really SV's and Bear's school for educating the public forum. I missed reading the part about not OC'ing if I didnt "educate the public EVERY stinking time I OC", when I signed on.
Secondly, Bear almost always seems to pick and choose the points he wants to harp on and ignores the rest. I gave 4 reasons and there are more, so again if you reject the last one ....re-read the other three to answer your own question.
Thirdly, read my posts please. Nowhere did I say I resented education. Don't misrepresent my posts. Being as education is not my primary reason it's reasonable to say its secondary at best. I clearly stated I'm ALL for it given the opportunity. Maybe I should have qualified that to say "appropriate opportunity". ( and I will decide what appropriate is).
Bear 45/70 wrote
Bear logic. Thought I'd not have to run into it but I guess everyone does if you post here long enough.
First, your negative "opinion" of my abilities including using derogatory terms for those abilities is unwarranted. You don't know me nor my abilities. If I choose to load and unload my weapon entering or leaving my vehicle I will. If I choose to leave my CPL in the car and OC without speaking to people when I chose I will. Isn't this about our rights, our choices? I was perhaps misinformed and this is really SV's and Bear's school for educating the public forum. I missed reading the part about not OC'ing if I didnt "educate the public EVERY stinking time I OC", when I signed on.
Secondly, Bear almost always seems to pick and choose the points he wants to harp on and ignores the rest. I gave 4 reasons and there are more, so again if you reject the last one ....re-read the other three to answer your own question.
Thirdly, read my posts please. Nowhere did I say I resented education. Don't misrepresent my posts. Being as education is not my primary reason it's reasonable to say its secondary at best. I clearly stated I'm ALL for it given the opportunity. Maybe I should have qualified that to say "appropriate opportunity". ( and I will decide what appropriate is).
PolskiG
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just_a_car wrote:
just_a_car wrote:
yes I know, this guy was older though and he looked like he was on a mission to grill me.
Bear 45/70
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sharp wrote:
sharp wrote:
You keep talking but you dance around answering the question asked. Why not just CC if you don't want to answer questions about about OC? Mmmmm... you just don't like to answer questions as put to you, you are just like a polititian! And of course, just like a politician it's someone else's fault.
PolskiG
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sv_libertarian wrote:
sv_libertarian wrote:
I actually OC for comfort, and usaully in the colder months I do the half-a** OC whichworks well to.I have givin out pamplets and all that but sometimes I just dont want to be approach by anyone for anything unless its a really cute girl, or Jesus. SV_lib I'm sure there have been times when you feel the same way, no?
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"Secondly, Bear almost always seems to pick and choose the points he wants to harp on and ignores the rest. I gave 4 reasons and there are more, so again if you reject the last one ....re-read the other three to answer your own question."
Bear ? Do you ever read posts you respond to?
"Secondly, Bear almost always seems to pick and choose the points he wants to harp on and ignores the rest. I gave 4 reasons and there are more, so again if you reject the last one ....re-read the other three to answer your own question."
Bear ? Do you ever read posts you respond to?
Bear 45/70
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sharp wrote:
sharp wrote:
Sure I do, but reading it twice still hasn't answered my question.
sv_libertarian
State Researcher
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PolskiG wrote:
PolskiG wrote:
There have been, which is why I CC then, because I am probably somewhat grumpy and I get very biting sarcastic when I'm grumpy, so I CC then, as OC is NOT the thing to do when you are in a sarcastic grumpy mood!
PolskiG
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sv_libertarian wrote:
True story. I hear what you're sayin,you're in this for the cause. respectable.
On another note im getting my new HK p2000 9mm V3 (DA/SA w/decocker) on sat!!! So excited... Now I get to join the elitecocky club of H&K owners.
sv_libertarian wrote:
True story. I hear what you're sayin,you're in this for the cause. respectable.
On another note im getting my new HK p2000 9mm V3 (DA/SA w/decocker) on sat!!! So excited... Now I get to join the elitecocky club of H&K owners.
Tawnos
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Are these valid reasons, or is the only valid reason in your book being a self-righteous prick with a bone to pick with anybody who dares question the fact you're armed? You claim the person should want to answer questions. However, that isn't a necessary truth. People have different reasons, and some may simply want to carry for personal reasons, should they have to answer questions put forth, or be denied their right to OC because CC will do "just as well?"
Seriously, why come down so hard one someone who wants to OC? Can't you just accept they have their reasons and let sleeping dogs lie?
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Because I own only one pistol right now, and it's big and I don't have a concealed carry holster. Because it's quicker to access. Because the point isn't to be forced to educate, be a pain in the ass, or otherwise show off, but because I believe it's best for me and hopefully those around me. Because I don't want to have to shoot someone, if I can defuse a situation by their notice of my sidearm instead.
Are these valid reasons, or is the only valid reason in your book being a self-righteous prick with a bone to pick with anybody who dares question the fact you're armed? You claim the person should want to answer questions. However, that isn't a necessary truth. People have different reasons, and some may simply want to carry for personal reasons, should they have to answer questions put forth, or be denied their right to OC because CC will do "just as well?"
Seriously, why come down so hard one someone who wants to OC? Can't you just accept they have their reasons and let sleeping dogs lie?
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Your question: Then why bother OCing when CC will get the job done for you? ( you make a huge assumption that it will get the job done and that is so obviously not the case for all people and all situations)
I OC primarily for protecting my family and self, not education. Some of many reasons I would OC instead of CC are:
1: It's my right. (CC isn't)
2: It's more comfortable. (CC might not be as)
3: It tends to avoid "situations" more than concealed. ( something I became aware
of when I came here)
4: I might not have a CPL. (with me or otherwise)
To SV, non of this was meant to imply anything against your opinion, I just disagreed with it.
To Bear, nothing further to say. Asked and answered , twice at least.
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Fine then if your that dense I'll repost it.
Your question: Then why bother OCing when CC will get the job done for you? ( you make a huge assumption that it will get the job done and that is so obviously not the case for all people and all situations)
I OC primarily for protecting my family and self, not education. Some of many reasons I would OC instead of CC are:
1: It's my right. (CC isn't)
2: It's more comfortable. (CC might not be as)
3: It tends to avoid "situations" more than concealed. ( something I became aware
of when I came here)
4: I might not have a CPL. (with me or otherwise)
To SV, non of this was meant to imply anything against your opinion, I just disagreed with it.
To Bear, nothing further to say. Asked and answered , twice at least.
sv_libertarian
State Researcher
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I would say CC is a right too. The State Constitution simply states the right to bear arms shall not be impaired. I say having to get a permit to carry a gun is a violation of that clear and simple language.
I would say CC is a right too. The State Constitution simply states the right to bear arms shall not be impaired. I say having to get a permit to carry a gun is a violation of that clear and simple language.
Cremator75
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Tawnos wrote:
Tawnos wrote:
+1000 I have learned to just scroll past those posts to get to the real reason I read these forums. Substance.
Bear 45/70
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sharp wrote:
sharp wrote:
Those are all "EXCUSES", not answers. If you are unprepared to do the job right, then don't bother doing it at all. On top of that you get snippy with those that ask you questions about what you are doing. Yep, you are a bigger hazzard than a help.
Bear 45/70
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Cremator75 wrote:
Cremator75 wrote:
Because he is giving us all a black eye with his 13 year old's attirtude.
Tawnos
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Bear 45/70 wrote
Bear 45/70 wrote
You could even say he's a duke of it.
Tawnos
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Bear 45/70 wrote:
I must ask, what about my attitude makes me a 13 year old?